Well for what its worth I checked out the pedigree-this is really a good one. I had 2 red linebred red (shoulda been white) KABA females-that are super low BW-and youve got Red Riders Drive twice-along with LTD Edition-arguably one of the best commercial bulls of any breed. Pay Attention. This is the type of bull that needs to go on Capt Obvious-Keith Lauer-Byland gold breeding,or a logical next step on clubbie types. O0 O0