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The Big Show / Re: Saskvalley stampede
« on: November 09, 2020, 12:53:52 PM »
Trust what?

Trust them to report accurately?

Trust them to only submit data when contemporary groups are large enough to become statistically relevant?

A previously stated comment and One I very much agree with, And 99% of the Shorthorn bulls out there arent going to get anywhere near the gross numbers, let alone numbers under the same or similar management, to make their EPDs representative.

So while the breeder could be as honest as the day is long in terms of submitting raw date accurately, without a reasonably high level of epd accuracy, most of what igs generates for you is still disinformation rather than useful information.

And the water is only going to get muddier as breed associations continue meddling/bribing to have their breeds strengths prioritized and accentuated in the epd values.

The Big Show / Re: Saskvalley stampede
« on: October 22, 2020, 07:42:19 AM »
Simply explanation as far as what happens to any bull ladyboy Luke is involved with.  Older bulls become reference sires whose offspring get placed at the bottom of future contemporary groups therefore artificially elevating EPds on the new latest and greatest bull..   While shady,  this approach ensures ever improving in herd EPDs. 

The Big Show / Re: Pones too big but middle not filled out
« on: September 08, 2020, 07:11:54 PM »
Simple solution and common with Brahman influenced or harder-doing biotypes within any breed.

Increase the quantity of ration with goal being to expand her internal capacity but decrease quality in attempt to lower the overall energy level of ration.   

Concentrated textured feed is your enemy here.  It is too nutrient dense.

Id take the feed completely away from her and put her on a high quality horse hay like coastal Bermuda.  She should maintain body weight while also taking on a fuller figure. 

CAB maybe semantics but what are you referring to when you distinguish body condition and cover?

The Big Show / Re: Your thoughts on some Shorthorn AI Sires
« on: August 27, 2020, 12:42:57 AM »
My Jazz cattle absolutely could not perform with anything else I had.  Then there's the DS thing.  The white Jazz son I bought from Dean Fieser was the best Jazz son I ever saw.  After several offspring with deformed feet, he was gone.

Thats to be expected as the shorthorn genetics you prefer are deemed exclusively terminal by anyone who knows holstein from hereford.  If you want big boned flat sided huge long faced cattle that wean calves that are thin -aka green- then the terminal Trump mutants of your choice may be what youre after.  But reading the OP's comments it would seem as if he's interested in a much different type.  Notice out of all the bulls in the entire breed he was able to reduce the options down to four functional beef bulls, none of which you would consider using-- albeit all being substantially better than anything Ive known of you using.   I also find it intriguing how there are those with 6 cows who speak of the "several" deformities yet out of hundreds of calves ive had sired by 5 different jazz sons, I've never had a single notable issue.  Its truly a phenomenon how those whove used the Jazz line heavily report such different results than those who only use him as a 'reference sire.'  You'll play with genetics that are riddled with genuinely lethal genetic defects, but a non lethal that has a remote chance of any level of expression even in the homozygous state is oh no the sky is falling. 

The Big Show / Re: Your thoughts on some Shorthorn AI Sires
« on: August 24, 2020, 06:23:20 PM »
If you like what you have Marquis is the clear option.  He's gonna make cattle similiar to what you have only in a higher performance package.  Saw a son of his on Fb for sale today-- looked nice but he had to be close to a 7 Frame.   If youre wanting to incorporate some fleshing ease, which I would recommend, then the other options can help you more.  Homeplace HC bottom side of his pedigree is mostly the same type of cattle as you have now.  His MGS is a different type bull that will add bone and thickness to your current type. So maybe if you like what you have but want to inject a little something different this may be your choice.  Think the other two Rawhide and Deliverance will add more guts and a looser hide but likely not as much muscle as Marquis or HHC.  Another bull I'll add is Sultan of Jazz- think he or any of the reasonable performance Jazzes would work really well over the type of cows you have.  Looking across the breed, the very best cows being made were made about 5-6 years ago.  Every outfit I can recall that used jazz need to revisit as the overall quality being presented is diminishing with each generation away from him.   Go back and look at those jazz sons and daughters JSF was selling.  Go back and look at the 8u sons Loving would offer.  You can't find that upper rib shape anywhere outside the jazz line.   If you want fleshing ease, in a level topline square set package, you'll find something not too far away from Jazz. 

The Big Show / Re: Getting a steer fat
« on: August 21, 2020, 08:02:51 AM »
reduce protein while increasing energy.   ie more corn LESS textured feed.

The Big Show / Re: Black Shorthorns
« on: July 28, 2020, 10:04:11 AM »
limis registrations have decreased from over 20k in 2000 to ~5k in 2020.      Trendy is way overrated.

The Big Show / Re: Herd Bull Pictures
« on: July 22, 2020, 11:27:21 AM »
Send the good mid 4 frame bulls my way. Both my senior herdsires are mid 4s:  Saskvalley Editor and Leveldale Genesis.  Much taller and theyll be a bag of bones around here.

The Big Show / Re: Herd Bull Pictures
« on: July 21, 2020, 02:26:14 PM »
The good old Maine-Irish cross.  Worked well for a lot of years.

And now weve got purebreds that are good enough no need for the Maine influence just like with your new bull who I think is excellent.  Thank my wife, had she not wanted a new kitchen, hed be in Texas

The Big Show / Re: Can't get heifer bred!!
« on: July 15, 2020, 03:43:31 PM »
Typical reduced or infertility associated with show cattle nothing new here.  Suppose you could get her bred artificially somehow but are these really genetics you want to propagate!?
What in her Brangus pedigree that was also not posted makes you assume that she comes from show lines?
Our Business Done RightxPoint Taken stuck AI on the first time AI-ing her. Our Rumor MillxComfort Zone also stuck the first time too. Our Yellow JacketxPoint Taken last year stuck her first time. Our 75% Simmental last year didnt stick and had to be bred by the bull. She really didnt show outward signs of heat so it was hard to catch her. Might have been the reason.

Wasn't the pedigree but rather the 'brangus premium gold' mention.  This is a designation/classification created solely for the purpose of show eligibility. 

The Big Show / Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
« on: July 01, 2020, 04:47:09 PM »
Around 1993 or so  there was a bull born at George Alschwedes and a couple years later a bull born i  Iowa sired by Debull and out of an AF Improver 45 Shorthorn  cow from mantua Farms-who also at one time owned Miss D Cumberland -These two would be Double Stuff a Shorthorn -and Heatseeker-a Shorthorn plus-I dont think any other animals in history ever affected more sectors of the cattle industry and over more breeds and types or ever will. O0
Look at the shoulders on that roan Shorthorn bull!

Doesn't get much worse than that

The Big Show / Re: ARG Hector 1777
« on: July 01, 2020, 04:42:12 PM »

I'm ashamed to admit that his sire's sire is WHR Collin FR53, aka "Razor"! XBAR is going to have a field day here!

I wouldn't worry about that. He looks good. I love the way Collin is bred on the bottom side with Dazzler and Colleen.
Some people here in TN bought the US rights to Bushranger. They've got some pretty nice daughters of him.
The color doesn't bother me. If I wanted something solid colored and polled every time, then I would raise Angus.

Had you worried about that, maybe your Stars in the southern sky would have actually appealed to cattleman and it could have went on to be more than a one time flop.  Look what JSF has accomplished by utilizing pragmatic genetics.  With all the money behind Star Lake, had you had any skill in identifying and breeding functional beef cattle, you could be at the top of the game as they are.   Sullivan, Sarg, etc-- these guys are personalities.  It takes personality to sell something that lacks any intrinsic value.  So  its understandably why your sale results were so different, despite the fact that you use the same dysfunctional genetics. 

I'm ashamed to admit that his sire's sire is WHR Collin FR53, aka "Razor"! XBAR is going to have a field day here!

Hey bud- if you like the bull then that's what its about.  You know the bloodlines well enough to know what to expect.  Provided your expectations are consistent with how the pedigree has historically performed then youre in a fine position. The only times you see me speak up are when particular genetics are promoted as something they're not.  The bull looks put together well- nice heavy constructed build-- the light colored hooves typically not too favorable in as harsh of an environment as yours appears to be but only time will tell there.

The Big Show / Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
« on: June 19, 2020, 08:41:16 AM »
I remember that bull- used to be on Fischers website. 

The Big Show / Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
« on: June 15, 2020, 06:33:23 PM »
Master Breeder.  I like him, I like his approach, and I really like his cattle.  That's prolly my favorite American Rancher episode, too.  The principles are exceedingly simple, the difficulty lies in having the self control to implement them.
*gasp* but did you hear him say he had 1600lb cows?? And feeds alfalfa-grass hay?? Figured you'd have crucified him for those two comments.  (lol)

Fleshing ability, good udders, and low birthweights-- 3 most things Ohlde is known for.   Ironic enough, the 3 weaknesses of your preferred genetics.

I'm talked to Ohlde many times.  Our ideologies are maybe a degree apart whereas yours are nearly opposite end of the spectrum.  The extent of your familiarity is limited to this snippet-- get real..    The average angus cow there is a 4 frame very fat mid 1200lber.  Outside a seedstock operation these cows would be even smaller. 

The Big Show / Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
« on: June 15, 2020, 05:48:18 PM »
Master Breeder.  I like him, I like his approach, and I really like his cattle.  That's prolly my favorite American Rancher episode, too.  The principles are exceedingly simple, the difficulty lies in having the self control to implement them.

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