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The Big Show / Re: Thoughts on these bulls?
« on: January 12, 2019, 12:43:41 AM »
Cowpoke you just hit the nail on the head. I breed hers for costumers a long time and I had to quit. I'd breed to only bulls that I used myself and constantly get complaints about pulling calves or C-sections. I'd run over and look at their two year olds and they were over fat small framed cattle usually in a feedlot setting. When I breed those cattle I thought they looked good then what I think would happen is 60 days out they would pen those cattle and pour the feed to them. The last year I had 50 or so first timers and never pulled a calve out of a proven Angus bull. One guy had20-30 head  I used the same bull and he pulled 90% of them. That two year old needs to be handled with care not to fat and not to thin. As far as the bulls you listed I-80 has been fault free for us.

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The Big Show / Re: FAT
« on: January 11, 2019, 03:22:44 AM »
Take 1-2 pounds of whole feed barley and put it in a crock pot, fill with water and let it cook for about 12 hours. So if you you mix your feed in the AM start a new batch for the PM feeding. You may need to adjust the amount of water or barley to get a good cook on it. It should swell and be fully soft or cooked. Only trick I have found is you need to eat breakfast first cause it does smell yummy on cold winter days. Lots of the old timers would also cook whole corn to get the same effect but I found barley does a faster job of putting fat and top in a calf.

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The Big Show / Re: FAT
« on: January 11, 2019, 12:52:32 AM »
We've been useing Chubby from Stand Alone feed and really like it. Saw a noticeable difference in a couple of weeks but all supplements 30-45 days is probable required to get what your looking for. Going old school a couple of pounds of cooked barley will fatten a calf up in 30 days. It will really blow out their tops. We still go back to it in a pinch. One other thing people don't do enough of is add corn to your ration. Not all these complete feeds are complete. God made corn for the 4th of July and show cattle.
Living at almost 8000 feet of elevation I've needed to learn lots of tricks.

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The Big Show / Re: trend of show steers
« on: January 06, 2019, 10:50:43 PM »
Ya Phoenix has some funny ways of classifying their fat steers. But what's even stranger is their prospect show. They show from 350 lbs all the way up to whatever. You'll have 1300 lbs steers in the prospect show. In fact this year Chris called a prospect hfr over finished. I think she was in class 16 which would have been around 1200 lbs. Fun place to go but rather strange in their rules.

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I was thinking of the Red Angus breed to as a suggestion. Griswalds bull Detour worked well for us. He is flawless on CE and those cattle do well from day 1. Well about 40 days out from calving them as two yr olds and udder development looks good. We have a heatwave/ shorthorn heifer we purchased this fall that we will breed to him this spring.

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The Big Show / Re: trend of show steers
« on: January 04, 2019, 05:33:21 PM »
Chris Cassidy sorted all the Jr cattle. I've been able to fallow Chris over recent years and actually think he may be one of the better collage guys.  But I found him harder to fallow this go in Phoenix. I will say those two champions had their hind wheels mowed down very tight. Kinda interesting in the way they were presented.

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The Big Show / Re: trend of show steers
« on: January 03, 2019, 09:14:08 PM »
I do this for a living and I wish I knew the trends. As for fat steers I'd say whale butts are out. These cattle have to be beyond pretty from the side and move with ease. Thickest one doesn't win anymore. As far as state fairs go I saw those 1280-1330 calves being ideal over the last two years. To me they look really small, so pretty no butt and 1300, comes across as little. That being said we just had a freaky baby in Phoenix last week and he stuck him in the 3rd hole to get rid of him. Called him the one with the most potential. Explain that one to me. I also see these fall prospect shows going with those whale bellied calves which to me make them look plain. I still like them huge butted and pretty fronted so I am not going to stray to far from that.

My 2cents which probably isn't much. I would like to hear more from others on this.

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The Big Show / Re: Don Harsh
« on: December 18, 2018, 10:03:28 PM »
I used Bob May out of OK this fall and he's really good. One of the few who is on time and very reliable.

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The Big Show / Re: Griswold Sale Results?
« on: December 16, 2018, 07:07:20 PM »
I beg to differ with your detective work. John's cattle are dang good. Most of those breed cattle go to commercial cattlemen. I know that for a fact. You take away those real high ones and those cattle sold solid and high. I fight with my friends that John only raises "Show Cattle". I'm not convinced of that. High performing sound functional cattle that flat work in the real world. Not sure if you know this Knab but a high percent of his bulls go within 200 miles of Fallet. Which tellls me they work for commercial guys.

We all get that special bull that makes our heard but GCC cattle are not built on Whiskey alone.

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The Big Show / Re: Griswold Sale Results?
« on: December 16, 2018, 12:39:24 AM »
http://www.liveauctions.tv/Bank/MyReportsSoldItems.aspx?AuctionID=7230

Link to results. Another amazing set of cattle. Hard to believe they can make them that good.

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The Big Show / Re: Need help with using beet pulp
« on: November 28, 2018, 12:45:37 AM »
Start now. It will expand that belly which will result in more feed intake. The bigger the belly the more they eat thus the better they gain. Good luck

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The Big Show / Re: Need help with using beet pulp
« on: November 23, 2018, 07:53:18 PM »
I'm much more of a Purina Pre-con fan then beet pulp. 15-30% Pre-Con of the total ration will add spring of rib as well as depth of body. It has a lot more punch and goody (corn stalks) in it which the calf can utilize. I'm old school enough to have feed hundreds if not thousands of tons of beet pulp. So if that's what you want to feed pulp just add water to 1-2 pounds of dry shreds or pellets the feeding before and add till you get a moist consistent mix. You don't want your pulp to soupy nor to dry something if you squeez it moisture will come out. I only feed wet pulp during hot spring/summer months and dry shreds during the colder months. Any time you change or mix things up rule of thumb is slow and steady. There's really no wrong way to feed pulp just get your mix so the cattle will eat it and keep close track of their gain. One other product that we love here is Ultra Full 70-90 days out from your end target will add depth of flank. One thing with this product is it takes time so be patient and give it time. Hope this helps.

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The Big Show / Re: What can I feed to add depth of body?
« on: September 18, 2018, 01:37:47 AM »
We started using Purina Ultra Full part of their High Octane line. It takes about 45-60 days to really get results but the longer we feed it the deeper the calves got. What I like is it gives depth to the flank.  I really like it and recommend it to all my costumers. We also feed a lot of Pre-Con which I believe gives them great spring of rib.

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The Big Show / Weaning (Stress) Tubs
« on: August 23, 2018, 05:04:47 PM »
Wondering what product all of you like the best. Any thoughts on them or a product out there that Works for you. We feed 50% Pre-Con, 25% Hubbard 4-Way and 25% cracked corn as a creep all summer then keep the calves on it when we wean. I heard these stress tubs work well and tried purina but if there's something out there that's better let me know. Thanks for any thoughts.

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The Big Show / Re: Word Association Game
« on: August 13, 2018, 02:25:54 AM »
Straw

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