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The Big Show / JBS Da Big Hurt
« on: Today at 01:56:11 PM »
Posting this pic here for someone because I cant figure out how to add a photo in a direct message.

This is a bull that was born in 93 (same year as Trump and Doublestuff) and appears to have not gotten a lot of use until 99.  He has a lot of cunia and Dividend breeding in his background.

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The Big Show / Re: Possible slogans for breeds or herds.
« on: November 06, 2021, 07:07:17 PM »
Shorthorn Plus: Black Shorthorns

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The Big Show / Re: Possible slogans for breeds or herds.
« on: November 04, 2021, 10:12:34 PM »
American Shorthorn Association. God is on our side.   end quote
??? I dont get it

Ill give it a go, American Shorthorn Association - Pretty Nice Cows

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The Big Show / Re: More on Native
« on: October 03, 2021, 01:32:17 PM »
Anyone who has not visited Haumont really should.
Whats his breeding? Reg#?

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Here you go.  I think CD marked the beginning of the end of the frame era in Shorthorns.  He is listed as a 7.5 frame.  In the same issue, March 92, Rockdale Powerdream (by AKF Power Play) was national champion and C Cisco (by HS Instant Enticer) was reserve national champion bull.  Both were listed as having 9+ frame scores.  This was back when they still touted frame score in their write ups for national champions.  Cedar Curve Farrah (also by AKF Power Play) was national champion female and KaBa Rose T90 was reserve and theyre listed as 7.9 and 8.8 frame scores respectively.

Warrior's win seems to have marked part of the turning point.

It's always interesting to see how some of these genetics mesh over time even while being concentrated. I have a couple flush mate heifers with at least 9 shots of T90 in them and they're showing no signs of those frame scores.

The Warrior win did mark a turning point, but from what I recall Dynamics was reserve and he was a monster.  What a weird time in Shorthorn history.

Isnt it wild that the base for modern Shorthorn show winners was coming together 30 years ago with CD and Rose T90?  Both basically Maine/Irish crosses with Dividend as the common denominator. Trump was the only CD son I recall that made any impact.

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A well known breeder told me that a single drop of Chi blood results in no "bottle teats."  Does anyone else recall that Rodeo's electronic pedigree (previous version) showed Chi, possibly in the dam of HS KENDRA ANN 209TH,  Shorthorn %:     AR50?   
I dont recall seeing it in the pedigree, but my guess would be that he was some % Chianina. His half brother LCS Sunset Strip out of HS Ultra Brite and sired by HS Instant Enticer was listed as as some % Chi in one of their ads.  He was also listed as lighter red than most or something like that.  I saw him in person - awesome looking animal, tall and very heavily muscled,  but he was very light red. 

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Hey R 180 I was around back in the day but lost my magazines so this is  not Rodeo but in the ERA-1-IS THERE ANYWAY-you could show Cates Original CD AD-"This is CD this is CDS Butt-ANY QUESTIONS?" I think it was towards breeding time 1992-CD was the first clubby looking Shorthorn I ever saw (Louisville) and I WAS DUMBSTRUCK (Im still dumb BTW) that ad was as cool as the previous K and A Shakedown ad showing him from behind-BORROWED TO GOOD EFECT JMO 2-DO YOU HAVE ANY PICS OF MTS SPECIAL EFFECT ? I think he was Nat Champ in 94 at Louisville and I was really impressed with him-and the later females like special Angie Etc -THEN Pretender came soon after two Beautiful bulls jmo I stopped by Robert Aldens a week or so ago  for the first time in years picking up semen and bought a couple straws on Special Effect-to use on one too small MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE  O0

Here you go.  I think CD marked the beginning of the end of the frame era in Shorthorns.  He is listed as a 7.5 frame.  In the same issue, March 92, Rockdale Powerdream (by AKF Power Play) was national champion and C Cisco (by HS Instant Enticer) was reserve national champion bull.  Both were listed as having 9+ frame scores.  This was back when they still touted frame score in their write ups for national champions.  Cedar Curve Farrah (also by AKF Power Play) was national champion female and KaBa Rose T90 was reserve and theyre listed as 7.9 and 8.8 frame scores respectively.

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Sharing something I found interesting.  Perhaps this will be educational to some and simply nostalgic to others.  Im sharing a photo of an article about HS Rodeo Drive from the September 2001 issue of Shorthorn country.  The article was announcing that Rodeo Drive was put down after suffering a broken shoulder while breeding cows naturally at 14 years old.  Pretty incredible longevity for a show bull.  I thought Doc Hunsley was honest in his assessment.  He was big, but certainly prepotent.  There is a lot of intrigue and back story to Rodeo Drive, some true some exaggerated gossip, but he made a mark in an era that was really transitional and in hindsight very  strange. 

Without him,Ayatollahs reign would have been extended and that wouldnt have been good. Rodeo Drive had a tight grip on the breed until two bulls, born 6 years after him in the spring of 1993, would take over and drastically change the breed again - CF Trump and AHL Double Stuff. 

An odd thing about Rodeo Drive is he had sons that were absolute giants marketed as sure fire growth bulls (like Chaps) and others marketed as calving ease (Mel Bar Rodeo Drive).  Another interesting thing was his daughters were awesome cows (albeit big) with amazing udders.

Something stood out in the article, while the counts of progeny  are big for shorthorns, I think its indicative of how or why progress is slow.  Compared to other breeds the numbers are very small.  Imagine the progress that could be made if a dozen bulls were siring 1,000 plus calves a year with accurate data collection from birth to harvest.  The numbers in the tests being conducted today seem inconsequential.

Id love to hear any Rodeo Drive stories that yall may have, or thoughts on where the breed was at that time and the changes that ensued.

Warmly,
R180

Ps I hope there are real people who still follow this site.  Although I never really engaged, and still prefer anonymity, Ive followed for 10 years or so and enjoyed the knowledge that was shared

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Sharing a couple different pics. The black and white photo is JBS Astronaut, the red and white bull is CSF Maintainer, and the others are named.  Based on the sales on the sire buyer website  the demand for these older bulls is more than I thought itd be. Kinda cool to see.  Rustler might be the most intriguing.  Hes got the genetics that make up a lot of the modern show ring winners except for Trump genetics.  Hes a Boris (Rodeo Drive x Dividend) out of original KABA Rose T90, and was born the same year as Trump.  Trump doesnt have any Rodeo Drive in him. Trumps dam has a lot of this old green ridge breeding in her.  She is by Nugget who is a half brother to Seville on his dams side, and sired by a GR Dreamboat son (GR Combo).  Of course Trumps sire is a Cunia x Dividend

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Thank you for sharing.  This is really interesting.  I like the look of the cattle, but some things dont make sense.  For example, how does that solid white cow have a solid white calf when all of the bulls are either solid black or solid red?  It seems like theyve been feral for a short enough period of time that their hides would be more splotchy if they had a lot of Shorthorn in them.  Also, it looks like the feed is plenty enough where the population would be much denser or the vegetation much less.  Nonetheless, I enjoyed seeing this.  I had no idea.

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JDS Fireman was Maine sired by Power Plant.


and has shaver nelson on the bottom, a good thick bull. if i were to use him, i would not use him on anything with pencil guts in the background.  twin creek etulason, power plant's sire is extreme.

https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=136687


Mainstream (picture on first page) is by Twin Creek Etulason and out of Robin R180 (Impact II/Columbus). 

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Me too medium-For me almost all the good ones are already sold although Id use JDS Fireman I never got to see one out of Payoffs King though AND BIG PS FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS THATS BY FAR THE BEST PICTURE OF DIVIDEND OTHER THAN ONE LAWRENCE GRATHWOHL HAD THAT I SAW I WANT TO RUN THAT ONE BY ROBERT ALDEN O0
Forgot I came across this one.  JDS Fireman was Maine sired by Power Plant. Looks big, but interestingly has an 11 CED and 2.7 BW epd, for what that’s worth.  Majority of his registered Shorthorn calves were at Rocker Bros who were 50% owners w possession according to ASA.

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Yeah, old Robin donor cow.  Wanted to post the pics on here and hear some thoughts, but you have to be a member and I couldnt think of username, almost went with Dreamboat haha.  Im not affiliated w green ridge, just an anonymous former customer - I assume there are a lot of us still around who enjoy Shorthorn nostalgia.

Found a couple more from the list.  The red ones are the Ash Valley Dutys, the better looking one is 0734

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I owned Lazy D Ultimate Type and GR Cop Top Trampass and used an ET son of Boris out of Bonnie Ruberta (Deerpark Leader 18th daughter) at one time.  I purchased Ultimate Type as a calf from Lazy D, later sold him to Duane Sicht, and Merle Welch purchased most of the semen at Duane's sale a few years later. For many years he was an ASA balanced trait leader.  The photo you provided was taken in our orchard.  I bought Trampass from Merle and thought he followed Ultimate Type as being near perfect in conformation for the time.  Ultimate Type was a direct son of Highfield Una 3rd and Trampass was a grand son.  Both bulls worked extremely well for me for many years and I would not be afraid to use them again.  The Boris son was not used as much, but his daughters were absolutely magnificent cows.  He was very moderate in size.  I tried many other bulls on the list and liked the calves I got out of all of them.  There are some good bulls on that list and Merle deserves much credit for developing them.  I last saw him at the Missouri sale a few years ago and had a good visit with him.

Always liked the way Ultjmate Type looked.  Was he too moderate for the frame score era of the 80s.  Seems like good genetics that got left behind because of a fad.

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.last one I can find

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