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The Big Show / Re: Feasibility of Collecting My Own Bull
« on: December 05, 2019, 03:13:47 PM »
If I had a dime for every time I heard someone say "I wish I had collected that bull" I wouldn't be rich, but I'd sure have a lot more money than I have now.  The second most frequent comment I hear is "I sure wish I hadn't thrown out all that old semen."  I guess there's a thin line between "insurance" and "hoarding."  If you like the bull and what he's done for you, the cost of collecting 100 straws of semen is low.  It sometimes really works to come back with your previous bloodlines after a couple generations of something else.  I've got semen from quite a few of my old herd bulls, some nearly 50 years old.  I'm glad I have it.  As far as selling semen goes, that's a tough business.  The ones that truly succeed are few and far between.

The Big Show / Re: Quick question-was MR Tri Cando a usefull bull?
« on: November 13, 2019, 10:38:10 AM »
I had great luck with Dollar II 30 years ago when it became "legal" to use Fullblood Maines on Shorthorns.  The Roseleafs in my herd are still the most numerous and productive and all go back to a Dollar II sired cow I raised.  If I was younger and had more energy I'd use it today along with Capone, Cunia, Epinal, etc.  I used a few "modern" Maines over the years and always felt the original Fullbloods added more genetic kick.  The only Fullblood bull I didn't have such good luck with was Red Alert.  Probably the most desirable Maine as far as physical appearance, but his daughters just didn't milk well enough for me.

The Big Show / Re: Maine Anjou Cattle
« on: November 05, 2019, 02:17:53 PM »
That's a pretty broad statement.  in some instances it could be true, but certainly not all.  I have heard people say that today's Angus is nothing more than a combination of Angus, Maine Anjou, Limousin, Holstein, and/or Chianina.   Another broad statement that in some instances may or may not be true. 

The Big Show / Re: Hot Commodity & Evolution
« on: October 28, 2019, 09:29:17 AM »
Draft Pick's calves were absolutely not large at birth, just average for us.  I don't remember helping any of them.  Trampas was used very successfully on heifers.  One of the reasons I liked him, other than he was a very good bull, was his Una family dam.  Lazy D Deerpark Una was a full sister to the full Irish bull I bought from Lazy D as a calf, Lazy D Ultimate Type.  He was a "balanced trait leader" for several years.  Payoff has been a sure fire calving ease bull for me.  I have only had one calf in the past 20 years or so, but it was easily born from a first calf Sull Cyclone daughter.  One of the top 5 cows I ever had was a Payoff daughter out of a first calf Dollar II female from my Roseleaf line.  I used Dreamboat and Exclusive shortly after they came out.  I synchronized 7 three year old females and got 7 bull calves.  The first one, a Dreamboat out of a Prairie RR Babe Ruth daughter, came about 5 or 6 days early.  The last, an Exclusive out of an Ultimate Type daughter, was about 14 days late.  The other 5 were born at or about their due date and were no problem.  I had a few Seville descendants, however, that were quite large at birth.  I had a Jam's Uh-Huh bull calf out of a Seville daughter that was very large.  All the Uh-Huh calves were that way for me.  The Dollar II cow mentioned above had an Uh-Huh bull calf that was the largest I ever had at birth.  Quite different than her Payoff calf.  The Uh-Huh's did grow, however, and I never lost one.   

The Big Show / Re: Hot Commodity & Evolution
« on: October 25, 2019, 02:36:16 PM »
Interesting Pretender is brought up now.  I picked out a bull calf from Dale when he was a calf.  I opted for MTS Draft Pick instead, don't know if Dale would have priced Pretender to me anyway.  I wasn't really interested in him.  I will say he is a unique blend of genetics.  I did have a few calves out of Pretender, but they didn't come easy.  Yes I know half of the BW genetics comes from the cow.  Draft Pick did a great job for me.  His first bull calf was an All American nominee, Oakview Press Pass.  Check out his pedigree, just about everything imaginable in it.  Draft Pick was out of the old MTS Queen cow, a Rodeo Drive daughter out of a Maine influence female.  I've got a few Pretender embryos from her in my tanks somewhere.  What I like most about raising cattle is the difference in opinions of cattle producers.  I have great friends that swear by the Trump/Red Reward cattle, I've got friends that will go to absolutely extreme measures to locate and use bulls from the 60's and 70's.  Now I know folks that want those 90's cattle.  I bought GR Cop Top Trampas from Merle Welch in the mid 90's and he sired a group of calves that were about the most eye appealing group of calves I ever had.  The females made good cows, the bull calves looked like bulls, and the calves were moderate at birth.  Lots of good bulls from every era that could have a positive influence in the right situation.   

The Big Show / Re: Hot Commodity & Evolution
« on: October 24, 2019, 01:17:13 PM »
Here's some "scientific" information for you.  In my younger days I AIed to about every bull imaginable.  From Leader 21 to Clark to Cunia to Double Stuff to Leader 18th and everything in between.  The only one that had a noticeable, and I mean noticeable, positive influence on performance, both weaning and and post weaning, was Jam's Uh-Huh.  I've mentioned it before, but you could actually see those calves grow.  There were several bulls that sired calves that were noticeably poorer performers.  These bulls were generally known as "club calf bulls."  Quite frankly, there will never be a perfect set of research in anything as long as it's run by humans.  Our family has been ASA members for nearly 70 years.  I can count the number of times anyone asked me about EPDs on my fingers.  I use them for myself, but there are too many variables to be relied on. 

The Big Show / Re: Hot Commodity & Evolution
« on: October 23, 2019, 02:00:25 PM »
When I participated in the ASA sire test in the late 70's, we sent 50 units of semen to be used in the Padlock Ranch herd, I believe in Wyoming.  The cow/heifer herd was black white face.  The steers were evaluated at weaning and sent to a commercial feedlot near Brule, Nebraska.  All performance and carcass data was gathered.  If I remember correctly, the bulls entered in the test generally had 15 or more steer calves on test.  The owners of the bulls bought the calves and received the income from them when sold minus expenses.  Sometime I need to look up the data in my old magazines.  I know Merle Welch used the information on some of his bulls, such as 3W Payoff, for some time in his advertising.  Since there is semen around on many of the bulls that were used in the old ASA sire test, I think it would be interesting to use some of it to compare the bulls of today with those of 40+ years ago.  Good luck finding a commercial herd large enough and willing to AI 50 females of similar breeding to 20 or more different bulls, though. Sometimes we have to realize the information we gather may not be perfect, but it's the best we have.     

The Big Show / Re: Price point for Bulls in the United States
« on: September 27, 2019, 02:14:24 PM »
The minimum sales price at a sale I am familiar with was 1,800 last spring, for most of the breeds represented.  Numerous bulls of many breeds did not sell.  Throw in the thousands of "breeding bulls" that sell every year at special sale barn auctions and the average would drop significantly. 

The Big Show / Re: 18 vs 24 months old steers?
« on: August 26, 2019, 09:44:09 AM »
In my opinion, to reduce frame size a lot of performance has been lost.  Maybe it just takes longer to get one to the desired weight you want to hold.  I don't like to feed steers that take 18 months to reach market weight, let alone 24.  I understand, though, that very little reality exists in the steer show game.  Showing old steers is nothing new.  In the 60's it was common for state university cattle herds to bring a steer back to the International for a second go round. 

The Big Show / Re: How to judge a shorthorn plus class?
« on: August 19, 2019, 03:28:34 PM »
Other than national shows, I doubt if the ASA has much or any say in who judges shows.  Breeders, college types, and show folks are usually the judges.  They will pick what they like, all other things being equal.  Sometimes they pick what I like, sometimes not.  Some like them a little shorter necked, squarer headed, and with more set to their back legs than I like.  Some like them a little more clubby than I like.  I can usually follow the judging and agree more with the placings at Louisville than at some other places.  Smaller shows, though, very often have 1 to 4 in a class which lends itself to a little more give and take.  The biggest class at the Iowa State Fair the other day I believe was 5.  In some of the classes, you could throw the numbers in a barrel, roll them out, and talk the class accordingly.  It's been a few years since I judged cattle shows, but in my experience, it is much easier to find what you like and follow type in larger classes than 2 or 3.  I would say the Plus classes generally follow the more clubby type especially considering the genetics of most of the cattle shown.

The Big Show / Re: Cheap corn
« on: August 15, 2019, 11:17:07 AM »
A little cheap corn in the ration can help soften the extremely high hay prices we have here.  $7 corn doesn't work that well, but $3 corn pencils out a little better when reasonably decent hay costs in excess of $100/bale.

The Big Show / Re: Iowa State Fair- Beer Garden/Place to Relax.
« on: August 13, 2019, 02:31:25 PM »
Stockman's.  I don't like beer, but it's not too loud and boisterous.

The Big Show / Re: Soundness of bulls
« on: August 08, 2019, 08:59:16 AM »
Most of the show cattle I see anymore do not walk, they waddle.  They are so fat and over conditioned they jiggle, yet the judges continue to compliment them on their freedom of movement.?  There's a reason so many show cattle feed additives are used that "encourage free movement."   

The Big Show / Re: Mature bulls
« on: August 06, 2019, 11:56:38 AM »
The Aldens could tell you how and when Improver and Dividend were put in the ASA herd book.

The Big Show / Re: county fair
« on: July 30, 2019, 08:49:16 AM »
I guess my main point was the 1700+ pound heifer that won the show.  She also won the showback this weekend that included the champion females from I believe 8 neighboring county fairs.  I know many on this site promote much more moderate females.  We sure don't see them at the top of the shows, which goes back to the eternally discussed relationship between the show ring and the commercial sector.

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