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The Big Show / Re: Can't get heifer bred!!
« on: May 21, 2020, 10:00:05 PM »
How fat is she?  When was the last time she was shown? 

We typically breed heifers at 14-16 months of age.  Twenty-six months of age and still open seems excessive.

I would have to agree with Idalee.  Time to "Cut Bait".

However if you insist on trying one more time, quit "Screwing around with her and her natural maturation and development" with chemicals.  Give her some time.

1.  Vaccinate her with "everything under the sun" for cattle in your geographic area.

2. Worm her and pour her for parasites. 

3. Insert fly tags and maybe even give her a magnet.

4. Put her "Out on pasture" and a good free choice mineral with other cows and a herd bull and bring her up in the fall. 

5. Pregnancy check her.

6. Bred: Retain her.  Open: Sell her.


We've all had to do it.  Just because she is pretty...does not make her a great cow...

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The Big Show / Re: McKinley, Maternal Gem, Stacked Deck, or Burwell?
« on: March 21, 2020, 10:31:35 AM »
...anything new, or something someone would like it contribute?

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Looking for recommendations (preferably based on experience).

Question:

Who is the BEST PROVEN Percentage Maine Anjou bull (50% or less Maine), to use on SIMM/Angus cows to make good replacement females.

 (pop)

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The Big Show / Re: Breeding results when using McKinley
« on: March 21, 2020, 09:15:33 AM »
TTT

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The Big Show / Duel Icon
« on: March 21, 2020, 07:22:38 AM »
Can any of you please give calf reports on offspring from the bull Duel Icon?   Thanks!

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The Big Show / Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« on: February 25, 2020, 02:06:21 PM »
I live in Texas, not Canada.

Only because of your lack of wherewithal did you not recognize the bull I mentioned WAS in Denver 2020.

I have no affiliation with the bull Double Stuff.  Hes certainly not my bull. 

Youre the only person in this thread to get off topic.

Now pull yourself together, quit being disrespectful, and focus.

XBAR,

Sorry about your location.  I thought Sackvalley was in Canada.  Never heard of a Sackvalleyo 8A, Texas.  Plus, no where in the top left hand corner of your avatar, is it written, Saskvalley Alamo 8A, Texas.  I am sure it is my loss.  I also do not know of many Shorthorn Breeders in Texas as to me, the Texas cattlemen are know for Char Cross and Eared Cattle.  I stand corrected.

Also, I guess you dont read and comprehend or for that matter, remember to well. 

For one I never said YOU WERE AFFILIATED with the Double Stuff bull.  I was making mention of him as related to the Shorthorn Breed that you write about continuously.  Detailing his impact on your wonderful Shorthorn breed and the club calf industry.  NO DIFFERENCE!

Second, if you care to go back to the beginning of this post, you can read ALL the Shorthorn bulls that you have written about.  ONCE AGAIN, the thread is about 2020 Denver Display Bulls.

I shall totally disregard your once again, Name Calling and Negative remarks at the end of your last post, directed at me.



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The Big Show / Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« on: February 25, 2020, 11:24:06 AM »
Im sure breeding the moderate maternal types to framey club calf bulls will only work out for the best

"Club Calf" Type bulls have been small framed, short spined, hairy, heavy boned, deep sided and display extreme muscle, for quite a long time.
 
They throw large calves (w/big bone), that are hard to calve out.  Most have little substance and growth.  Most are highly crossbred to the point of Mongrelism, thereby making the resulting calf crop very inconsistent.
They need bred to larger framed and longer spined cows that have some growth and substance to these type bulls work. 
This is why you yearly hear cattlemen complain that "All the Club Calf Bulls on Display in Denver are the Same", each year.

Due to rising feed cost and lower cattle markets, many cattlemen have moved to raising a more "moderate frame cow", that is deep ribbed and can sustain themselves on grass and stalks and less yellow corn $$.  These cows need bred to a different type of bull.  Only a small percentage of calves resulting from club calf bulls actually make "Good Show Steers" (half are heifers), therefore the majority of the offspring still have to be fed out and go to market.  Slow growing, inefficient PUDS just don't keep the banker away!  Also, many cattlemen that raised "Club Calves" 10-20 years ago, have since quit and gotten out.

Many other "Club Calf Breeders" still in the business are searching for a bull that has many of the same characteristics of current club calf bulls with bigger frame, longer spined, some smaller Birth Weights, and substance and GROWTH.

Hello captain obvious-

The shitshow will present itself when Tom and sally start breeding their short coupled little clubby cows to growthy bulls with more frame.

Save the economics argument if it were about economics none of these genetics would even exist.  Sure theres a few making money but overwhelming net negative industry for almost all.

To Canadian XBAR,

Needless to say, I DO NOT LIKE BEING TALKED DOWN TO BY YOU NOR YOUR USE OF BULLYING AND NAME CALLING!  Your negative comments are unwarranted many times just plain wrong or ridiculous.
Sorry, but my post is referring to your statement in the post above.  Maybe you did not understand the POINT of my post I wrote in response. 

Perhaps I should have written: 

To: Mr. XBAR,
There are NO LARGE FRAMED, CLUBBY BULLS WITH AT LEAST SOME PERFORMANCE AND SUBSTANCE being promoted today.   That is the type of bull the clubby breeders are looking for and trying to find and discuss on this thread.

**** SHOW?!  You have NO KNOWLEDGE of my cows or many other cattle producers.  So, please refrain from your ignorant and remarks about other peoples cattle.  Especially, those which you have no personal experience of. 

The WORST BULLS that I have ever used were SHORTHORNS!  Going back to your infamous DOUBLE STUFF BULLS and his generations of offspring!  TH, PHA, huge shoulders that flail out, small feet that point out, huge boned, high birthweight, no milk, small pelvic areas in replacements, NO GROWTH and Docks at the market are what made the Club Calf Bulls and many pedigrees of Shorthorn, what they are today!  Many cattlemen (not just club calf producers), vets, and  embryologists, that YES, I know personally and of their experiences/stories, have totally stopped using Shorthorn bulls, due to the Train Wrecks that they have EXPERIENCED.

Having said the above concerning Shorthorn, I am not one of the Shorthorn HATERS.  I have used them (and had some terrible results back-in-the-day.  However, not all Shorthorn and Shorthorn pedigrees are the same.  I think they have their place as do most breeds.  I still do use them on occasion.  But only after research, and only certain pedigrees. 

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The Big Show / Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« on: February 25, 2020, 10:36:45 AM »
Its all relevant as the underlying theme in any post about bulls is about potentially buying/using them.

The more transparency the industry has, the better off everyone will be except of course for the salesmen.

XBAR:
1. I am tired of your constant negativity on this site towards other posters, me included.
If you cant say something good or add to a post, perhaps it is better to not say/wriite anything at all.
2. The relevancy of this post is...2020 Denver Bulls.  NOT whatever Shorthorn bull you care to talk about.
3. What you did is called Stealing A Thread.  It is an act of posting on someone elses thread and Changing the Subject stated and started by another individual.   It is considered Disrespectful in most circles.  In this case disrespectful to Shortybreeder.
4. Regardless, of your opinion, this site is for all cattle people and their topics.  It is NOT a SHORTHORN MOSTLY site.  If you do not care for a particular post, simply scroll down.  If you want to start a discussion about Shorthorns or something else cattle related.

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The Big Show / Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« on: February 23, 2020, 11:50:37 AM »
Im sure breeding the moderate maternal types to framey club calf bulls will only work out for the best

"Club Calf" Type bulls have been small framed, short spined, hairy, heavy boned, deep sided and display extreme muscle, for quite a long time.
 
They throw large calves (w/big bone), that are hard to calve out.  Most have little substance and growth.  Most are highly crossbred to the point of Mongrelism, thereby making the resulting calf crop very inconsistent.
They need bred to larger framed and longer spined cows that have some growth and substance to these type bulls work. 
This is why you yearly hear cattlemen complain that "All the Club Calf Bulls on Display in Denver are the Same", each year.

Due to rising feed cost and lower cattle markets, many cattlemen have moved to raising a more "moderate frame cow", that is deep ribbed and can sustain themselves on grass and stalks and less yellow corn $$.  These cows need bred to a different type of bull.  Only a small percentage of calves resulting from club calf bulls actually make "Good Show Steers" (half are heifers), therefore the majority of the offspring still have to be fed out and go to market.  Slow growing, inefficient PUDS just don't keep the banker away!  Also, many cattlemen that raised "Club Calves" 10-20 years ago, have since quit and gotten out.

Many other "Club Calf Breeders" still in the business are searching for a bull that has many of the same characteristics of current club calf bulls with bigger frame, longer spined, some smaller Birth Weights, and substance and GROWTH.

 
 

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The Big Show / Re: Anyone have any mature Burwell offspring?
« on: February 15, 2020, 10:09:23 PM »
TTT

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Thanks, Mark!  That helps quite a bit!

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Dale sent me a quick picture of him the other day standing uphill real muddy after running with cows on winter grass (perse its cold in Indiana) and regular old hay Hes as ez keeping and stout as any bull that age-real tank O0

Mark,

Can you please tell your opinion on how you use Dale's Homeplace Hot Commodity 1625 compared to Jim Compton's Fresh Air 35 bull?

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The Big Show / McKinley, Maternal Gem, Stacked Deck, or Burwell?
« on: February 10, 2020, 10:43:37 AM »
McKinley, Maternal Gem, Stacked Deck, or Burwell.

Which of the Sojka bulls do you like best for using on Simm/Angus females for making replacement females?  Or none?

 (pop)

CAB?

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The Big Show / Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
« on: February 05, 2020, 10:03:10 AM »
Amen-I also wish we had all those cool videos to view like Cattle.com used to create  O0

Me too, Kanabe!  I certainly enjoyed them.

I would like to hear some thoughts on NWSS Display Clubby Bulls 2020 also.  I have heard there were actually 4-5 new bulls that looked better than any bulls in the past 3-5 years.  Not just Little Puds and nothing hair and bone?    However, even though my reports came from a reputable source, they are about Third Hand and very limited. Wade Rogers is said to have two.  One of the Laughtners had had one that may have been raised by Sullivans?  I also heard there was a bull there from Bobby May.  No names were given.  Sorry, not much relevance here.  That is why I was hesitant to post.  I am in hopes this may provoke response and further dialogue on these bulls.   

Hoping other cattlemen might see these same bulls on display at other venues or at the bull studs soon.

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The Big Show / Re: Have any of you tried this for sexing semen
« on: February 05, 2020, 09:47:48 AM »
I asked my cattle repo/flushing vet who is quite respected in the industry.
He said this product came out several years ago.  Some of his clients tried it right away.  Consensus was IT DID NOT WORK!  One client even said He thought he got more bulls than heifers!  LOL! 

My thought is...you may want to do some more research or check with other producers that have already used the product, before purchasing and trial.

 <beer> 

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