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He doesn't look like I would have expected when you see the farms on Facebook. I expected shorter bodied softer made. More moderate structure. His NAILE pic looks long bodied and as Ryan said very tubular lacking in muscle definition.

Introduction Forum / Re: Bull with DS?
« on: November 27, 2018, 11:13:46 AM »
A few years back I had a Jazz son. Anything that was a DSC and PHC had deformities to their feet and legs. Some worse than others. PHC cow which we didn't know was positive, had the worst of them all. In my discussions with some of the people who test for defects. PH and DS are close enough to precipitate defects. You can have all your shorthorns tested. Up to you. I lost 3 calves one season that just could not get around because of DS issues. Those pics certainly do look like DS.

What is in your females pedigree? Match your bull to your dam. There are several options available. I will always go to Gizmo. Any time I see his semen I buy it. He was rock solid on calving. I used TM Gus on cow and he is NOT for heifers. Cow had tons of calving ease and it was a light pull but beautiful heifer. Look at what your female might lack and then evaluate what is available for calving ease. First go around should be lively healthy calf. I do not believe the good one's come out the side.

The Big Show / Hauling from Oklahoma to Ohio
« on: June 04, 2018, 06:10:32 PM »
Does anyone know anyone who hauls cattle from Oklahoma to Ohio or has a trailer heading out that way? Can you message me or post here. Thanks in advance!

The Big Show / Re: What would you do?....
« on: March 25, 2017, 01:38:47 PM »
We took this guy to the vet, had a repro specialist look at it, a surgeon and a general vet. Three similar answers... they said that the way this testicle came out and is laying that he will likely herniate beyond repair. The only difference in there opinions was the amount of increase chance of hernia. They did indicate there was an option for removal but it was full anesthesia and cost around $1500...

So- I am not a vet but have worked in healthcare all my life. I am trying to figure why they immediately are associating a hernia with the descent of the testicle. Unless it is suggesting a weakness in the abdominal wall that allowed the testicle to descend in the first place. They do have mesh patches and I wouldn't see why that wouldn't be an option to get you to fat weight. I am not sure of your location but we use a University Vet Hospital for things that are more complicated. We have had a great success rate with a few minor set back here and there. University Vet hospitals here are substantial cheaper than private practice. We sign a waive we will allow senior vet students work with our animals. It has helped reduce the cost. You also have to remember they probably do more than an average private practice vet and do more anesthesia than private practice therefore usually cheaper. Not always but usually. I will say that anesthesia seems to be harder on our four legged friends than humans. I am not sure why they can't do a spinal or local vs general for removal and investigate the abdominal wall or pelvic floor. Just my two cents. if he hasn't developed bully characteristics we may not know that its a functioning testicle which sometimes happens. The fact its present may leave some hormonal residue systemically but may not be a viable testi. I may be way out in left field though. Its worth investigating if you have a vet school close.

The Big Show / Re: FU MAN CHU breeding question
« on: November 13, 2016, 09:06:29 PM »
Would this type cow work with FMC? I'm thinking him or lautners Stock Broker.

I saw Stock Broker when he was purchased at Ohio Beef Expo. WOW he was a stout one. He was one of the naturally thick bulls there. He was sound and had just on of thickness. With a cow like that, I can only imagine how thick the calves would be. I liked the bull alot.
This is my personal observation- the Fu Man Chu's I saw last year had some issues on the move. they were not the soundest. If the female was super sound they were okay. But if there was the slightest flaw in structure it seem to be magnified with Fu Man Chu.

The Big Show / Re: Thoughts on future breeding?
« on: September 15, 2016, 08:04:49 PM »
A bull for a cow of her statue that was used a ton to make some beautiful females was Hannibal. He is a WMW son. He will add extension and little more length of body and some leg. Many times when I see someone take a cow that is compact and super stout and breed compact super stout bull you can get some freaks that are cripples.Salty do when I saw him at Expo wasn't huge by any means. I really thought he could work on cows like her. Eye Candy, Troubador, Sin City, I-80 are a few I would consider. The more I see I-80 females the more I like him. Ali seems to track with the cow and I never saw Ali as a cow changer. I-80 puts a look in them like WMW use to. Just my thoughts. Sin City would give you a fuzzy large made calf. But be considerate of birthweight on some of the bulls you choose. Even though I have heard people say the good one's come out the side, i am not a fan of c-sections.

The Big Show / Re: What to breed these shorthorns too?
« on: September 12, 2016, 10:27:08 AM »
besides color what do you think each cow needs. its always hard to evaluate from pictures-downsizing, more muscle? Are you wanting to make clubby calves, replacement females etc?

The Big Show / Re: Breeding Questions
« on: June 21, 2016, 12:45:22 AM »
If it were me
One have the vet examine her for fertility etc.
We wait on our show heifers to calve til they are three. They seem to have less dystocia and we make them shed the pounds so we can manage the weights. Show heifers sometime are just too hog fat for breeding purposes. I have a wonderful calving ease bull and have trouble heifers sticking AI but breed natural service. If you think there is genetic potential, you should investigate your options.

The Big Show / Re: Honest opinion
« on: June 18, 2016, 12:40:13 PM »
If its her first project the basics mean more than having a 10K calf. We intentionally bought a green calf this past season and he has steadily excelled and placed higher and higher in class. We started out behind stood in bottom third by December he was middle and this past March in was in the top third. Give this boy time. You would be amazed what feed, supplements, hard work and time will do for a calf. Post a picture in 90 days.

The Big Show / Re: Bull Prospect Opinions
« on: June 18, 2016, 12:23:36 PM »
To me, he looks uncomfortable. I dont know how other people do it, but if I have a calf that shows the natural masculinity and strength a bull needs, I leave him out on pasture so he can build up his legs, back, neck and shoulders by running around. I also dont give him extra feed so I can see him for what he really is. A bull prospect should have a dam that can keep giving him milk for 10 months, breed back, and maintain condition. I think all that feed is just creating the illusion of natural volume and extra feed will be required to maintain that illusion in his progeny.
I was kinda scratching my head in agreement. I would have to ask did he come out of a pasture that was poor doing? Was he creep fed on pasture or just straight cow? Calves should come off cow in good condition if the dam is doing half the work. Pasture or supplement should have helped him maintain condition.
Shouldn't we propagate cattle that do not require supplemental grain to maintain body condition? I have a couple girls that we can feed air and they are consistently covered and wean calves that look the same.

The Big Show / Re: Genetics Gurus Question for you
« on: June 11, 2016, 12:51:17 AM »
IS the angus sire a red carrier as well? Brilliance? Know nothing about him.

The Big Show / Re: Oakview General 507Z
« on: June 11, 2016, 12:47:44 AM »
Who said this calf (or his relatives in my herd) were so big at birth they all should have died?  How can you tell he has a narrow muzzle from the side view?  I guess I should sell this calf at the sale barn tomorrow, get rid of all my cows with Trump in them that evidently don't work because they have noses too long.  Maybe you can find me one of those easy calving, square headed, broad muzzled bulls that would be more to your liking.  They surely must be the answer.  Oh, yeah.  I tried those for the first 30 years we had Shorthorns.  We learned it was very difficult to get a square head out of a round hole.  I just put the photo on here because all the visitors that see this calf are very impressed by him.  He's been criticized on this site for being:  too shallow, his ears are too big, his nose is too long, he does not have a wide muzzle, he doesn't have enough crest to his neck, he has a woodpecker head, he has too much sheath, and has Trump in him.  I guess next time I'll keep my photos to myself.  If I was an %#$, maybe I would criticize all the lousy cattle I see photos of on this site.  But I won't.

I don't think you should keep your photos to yourself. Everyone has an opinion. As previously stated you can view the picture in one dimension. The viewers mind immediately draws assumptions based on the presentation of the bull flat without 3 dimensional view. With that being said. I like the way XBar put it.

Positive- like his growth, color pattern, muscle shaped seems to be developing
Negative- Excessive sheath-(it doesn't bother me but show ring doesn't like it.) I can't get a good handle if he breaks a bit behind his shoulder? I know you have a strong program. Take it all with grain of salt. Open forums may sometimes come across brutal. Other parts of the world their cattle don't necessarily resemble our ideals.

The Big Show / Re: I could use some advice on bull selections!
« on: May 13, 2016, 05:07:02 PM »
The dream on daughter we have crosses well with anything i put on her. She is deeper sided and moderate size but throws very nice calves.

The Big Show / Re: Breeding Thoughts ...
« on: May 13, 2016, 05:04:53 PM »
I would go back Maine on her. She has plenty of bone and mass. Plenty of hair. I would look at some of Bushy Park's bulls. I like the little used son Boomer the full brother to sooner. But they have a battery of higher percent maines.

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