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The Big Show / Re: Abortion
« on: September 27, 2020, 05:58:33 PM »
Would be highly unlikely that lut would result in abortion in a pregnancy greater than 100 days, typically requires a steroid as well.
Best chance at a diagnosis is blood sample of the cow, placenta, and fetus to diagnostic lab. Still only maybe 50/50 chance at diagnosis

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The Big Show / Re: Adhesives
« on: March 02, 2018, 02:38:32 PM »
Try Prime Time, its a great all around adhesive. I've personally never been a big fan of tail head adhesive, also it is really easy to get carried away with. Prime Time looks a lot more natural.

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The Big Show / Re: PASTURNS
« on: September 18, 2017, 08:54:08 AM »
It is mostly genetic, but as he gains weight he may start flexing a little more in his pasterns. If he is stiff on the move, exercise may help.

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The Big Show / Re: How to soften heifer up?
« on: September 18, 2017, 08:52:29 AM »
lose the beat pulp and feed her all the grain she will eat. The "soft" look is all about body condition. I've also found it is way more common for people to under feed an animal than to over feed and get them fat. Get her fat then worry about easing up on feed. Its way harder to be playing catch up close to show time, as far as getting them to put weight on.

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The Big Show / Re: Advice on feeding a steer
« on: September 18, 2017, 08:47:36 AM »
I would much rather have a 1500 pounder that is finished than a 1200 pounder that is under conditioned. You have a pic of him?

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The Big Show / Re: Making a steer wider through the back
« on: February 19, 2016, 07:33:03 AM »
I obviously am not saying you should never tie a calf's head up, I don't think you are getting my point. A calf that is tied up for the amount of time it takes to work and groom the calf properly every day is going to learn to stand. Maybe we run a different type of show circuit here than where you are. I have been aged out for several years now, but in the peak of my time showing as a youth we were showing at somewhere between 20 and 35 shows in a calendar year (I think our record was 38 in one year). By the time a calf has been to 10 or 15 shows they will pretty much do anything you ask of them. I guess if you are showing at 2 shows with a calf, more time tied up at home becomes important. But for us that has never been a problem. Our calves get worked enough on a regular basis that extra time tied up is not necessary. At some point calves need to be calves, they need to breath some fresh air, run, buck, kick, get some exercise. Our calves end up spending so much time with their head tied up being worked with for other reasons, that it becomes redundant to tie them up just for the sake of tying them up. We see better performance if we give the calves an opportunity to be loose and freshen up. Contrary to what many people believe, show calves do not have to be tied in a barn all day every day. I don't expect to change your mind, obviously your are passionate about tying heads up. But just because you (or anyone else) disagree with my method doesn't meant that it can't work for me, or that I do it because I am a lazy idiot

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The Big Show / Re: Making a steer wider through the back
« on: February 18, 2016, 10:31:21 AM »
Its kind of ironic, showstopper95, that you referred to my comment as "non educated."

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The Big Show / Re: Making a steer wider through the back
« on: February 15, 2016, 09:31:31 PM »
Have you ever tired to fit or clip on one that's not used to standing? Or seen one not used to standing lay down regularly at a show. And to my knowledge it doesn't matter on a steer how his genotype will pass on for top shape, however phenotype is a small bit important when they start passing out checks. Sure cattle that exercise are great but yes tying a head up will build top shape and endurance (it won't make them any wider on the caboose)

That's a non educated response that I would ignore if I was a jr kid seeking advice on cattle. Crank their heads up it will teach them to lay down when untied, work their top shape, and teach them to be still when they need to

I've clipped a lot of calves that wouldn't stand well, practically none of those have been my calves. Maybe I wasn't clear in relaying my point. When we are working show calves they spend a couple of hours a day tied up, typically however long it takes to rinse, blow, clip if needed, practice showmanship, etc. We have always found that to be plenty of time for the calves to be tied up. Our calves lead well, show well, can be fit/clipped in the stall. My point was there is no reason (at least in my opinion) to leave calves tied up for an extended period of time, especially not unattended (There is a lot of potential for injury).
As for the genotype point.... obviously the steer is not going to produce any offspring directly. However, the steer is living, breathing proof that the parents that produced the steer have the capabilities of producing weak topped offspring. Also I was intending for the point to be applied in a broader sense to heifers and bulls as well.

This is just my opinion, no one else has to agree with it, I understand that a lot of people do not. However, it is an opinion and a practice that I have developed based on 15+ years of experience working with hundreds of show calves. So to say my comment is uneducated I believe would be far from the truth.


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The Big Show / Re: Making a steer wider through the back
« on: February 04, 2016, 07:09:31 PM »
This may be old wives tale,but I was told to tie them with there heads up for hours a day to strengthen their top?

let cows be cows, even if that does work (which I doubt) what cow wants to be tied with their head up for hours at a time? Also you may fix it in that calf's phenotype but the genotype for a broken top is still there. The best thing I have found for structure is good selective breeding and lots of opportunity for the calves to move around.

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The Big Show / Re: Nephew's first show
« on: January 16, 2016, 06:03:56 PM »
Your nephew has a nice heifer, just keep pouring the feed to her and she will get along well. It wont take him long to realize its not all about winning, there are an innumerably amount of life lessons to be learned through showing livestock. But hey, winning sure is fun too! Good luck, hope the next show goes well!

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The Big Show / Re: Shorthorn Genetic Problems
« on: October 06, 2015, 11:21:34 AM »
Am I missing something here? why would you bother with allowing registration of carrier bulls but deny registration of their clean offspring? how does registering clean progeny hurt anything? why not just test offspring of carriers and deny registration to those that test pos
maybe there is some limitation here I am unaware of?

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The Big Show / Re: JBS launches Shorthorn branded beef
« on: August 26, 2015, 07:26:21 PM »
why do you need the angus cross in there at all?

Hybrid vigor..... The shorties need it just as much as the angus, just as much as the herefords, just as much as the simmis, if we are making terminal animals. Why do you think we show crossbred steers?
My point is not to say that you dont know what hybrid vigor is, but that angus, just like shorties, benefit from some crossing too.

But that isnt the point here, I agree with the other posters, its good to find a niche market for a breed. I think it has been openly admitted in this thread that the shorthorn breed in the US has room for improvement. How else do you move toward improvement but by discussing new ideas, Judge?

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The Big Show / Re: Any other SP members in vet school?
« on: November 20, 2014, 06:59:27 PM »
Wareagle Lucky_P! I actually just took a final in parasitology this morning, Dr. Hendrix and Dr. Blagburn are still goin strong!

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The Big Show / Any other SP members in vet school?
« on: November 19, 2014, 11:02:23 PM »
I'm about to finish my first semester at Auburn, just wondering if there is anyone else on here in vet school.

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The Big Show / Re: Keeping condition on cattle during shows
« on: November 04, 2014, 07:37:21 PM »
What do some of you think about watering out of larger tubs at shows instead of buckets? We have used larger tubs (hold about 30 gallons) instead of 5 gallon buckets for years and we like that instead. Cattle are prey animals and naturally feel uncomfortable putting their head in a closed space, they can drink the same volume out of a larger tub without putting their nose as far into it, and will often drink more (at least that is my theory). I have worked for numerous people that water out of 5 gal buckets, it seems that some calves will drink the bucket empty and stop without paying attention to the next bucket you offer, maybe with a larger tub they would have not stopped drinking at 4 or 5 gallons. Also leading the cattle to the end of the stall to the tub, instead of carrying a bucket to the cattle, is one more opportunity to make the cattle stretch and move around a little. plus they don't typically drink out of 5 gallon buckets at home

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