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The Big Show / Re: White Shorthorn Bulls
« on: April 08, 2011, 02:26:24 PM »
a serious question for you shorthorn folks as I read with great interest your posts and appreciate the passion that you have for your cattle - we all know of the color bias, particularly in the states, of your breed - let me state that I do appreciate your breed as I have owned Shorthorn cattle in the past, in both commercial and purebred applications - and do know they perform but must face the economic reality of the color bias as a business decision -

with that being said my major question is:  Where do you see your breed in 10 years.  I recognize from the Canadian posts that most of you folks are "seasoned" cattlemen, with your interests in using older genetics and talk about days past.  Are there future generations of cattlemen that will carry on with your own herds or is it as in many ranching areas of the states mostly older cattlemen as the younger folks have left the ranching country for jobs elsewhere.  When you are gone, what then?  Will the breed fade into more hobby farms geared to producing show heifers, as it is to a great extent in the states, or will it somehow flourish and become more of a factor in the industry?

The Big Show / Re: 1/2 Blood Simmi Bulls
« on: March 31, 2011, 07:54:16 AM »
with that color and those rear legs plus the breeding on the dam's side  cut him and sell him this fall as a 700+ pound feeder @ $1.40 or so a pound - nearly a $1000. feeder calf - save yourself the time of breaking and clipping and move on - no diamond there - as mentioned before there is demand for commercial 1/2 blood bulls but not that kind - just being straight with the opinion - with prices at an all-time high all marginal club-calves and bulls should be just marketed as feeders this year and not waste time fitting and marketing - time to cash in -

The Big Show / Re: Terminal Angus bull ?
« on: March 24, 2011, 07:30:43 AM »
why do you want big-butted cattle like the Belgian Blue X Angus AKA purebred Angus in the photo - in fact why is it desirable to have a huge-butted market calf of any breed?  It causes nothing but trouble as in hip locked and the resulting retail beef product, round steak, is about the cheapest cut and most difficult to market - just sayin....

The Big Show / Re: Terminal Angus bull ?
« on: March 23, 2011, 10:51:07 AM »
some might consider a black Charolais the ideal beef bull.....

The Big Show / Re: What is the Value of a herd sire.
« on: March 03, 2011, 11:47:24 AM »
Yep - and in addition to a truck with all the bells and whistles that won't make a dime for them those same commercial guys have 1 or more $250,000 + combines, several six-figure tractors and an assortment of other expensive equipment and toys - plus are paying $200 a bag for seed corn - by comparison in my mind a $5,000 to $10,000 commercial bull should be cheap and they can brag to the neighbors at the coffee shop about their bull just like they talk about 250 bushel corn- depreciate on taxes and he leaves behind superior replacement females - makes a lot more sense than several hundred thousand in equipment that sits idle for 90% of the year, at least that is my sales pitch - the current cattle prices and better record keeping by producers may tend to prove to producers the value of a better bull - feel free to use my "you would not get your seed corn for this years crop out of the grain bin" pitch as well -

The Big Show / Re: Ebony's Trademark opinions
« on: March 01, 2011, 07:48:30 AM »
Add another bull to the opinion/comparison equation - NLC Fortunate Son - what is the evaluation of this bull?

The Big Show / Ebony's Trademark opinions
« on: February 28, 2011, 06:40:58 PM »
What are the good, bad and ugly opinions of Ebony's Trademark - I know that he has been around a while and is still used some - what are some of the positives and negatives of the bull?  What are his strengths and weaknesses?

What frame size is he and what about the longevity of his daughters?  Am considering using on frame 6 Angus cows - is that a logical choice?

The Big Show / Re: Maine Anjou------What's up?
« on: February 25, 2011, 11:00:25 AM »
going back a bit - Maine Break, what was he like 5/8 or 3/4 - calving ease and great females - he would still work - to me calving ease must be paramount these days with cattle prices where they are - you can give up some performance to get more live calves - the commercial cattle need to do it on their own - the Maine breed can make an impact in the commercial world given their product but it will be an uphill route - seems that top breeders have been heading to the exits in recent years - the core issue remains what can the Maine breed add to the commercial cattle equation that you cannot find in various Angus bloodlines?  Plus they are everywhere and available in volume at whatever price point you are comfortable with.

The Big Show / Re: Maine Anjou------What's up?
« on: February 23, 2011, 08:05:45 AM »
I was just thinking of how much white meat there would have to be on a 1500 holstein, but then they would perhaps not be as wasteful as a little pud angus - back to the original post I think that the Maines will make a run in the next few years if they do their homework and produce commercially acceptable cattle and work to get past the bad-rep issues that haunt them - Simmentals have their issues too with structure, birth weights and are not necessarily the most muscular cattle - also in my experience fertility, structure and udder issues shorten the life of the females - the right Maines will milk just as well, or better, and they sure as heck are a lot easier to look at -

The Big Show / Re: Maine Anjou------What's up?
« on: February 22, 2011, 02:20:39 PM »
WOW - 1500+ pound holstein steers -

The Big Show / Re: Maine Anjou------What's up?
« on: February 22, 2011, 01:56:49 PM »
was just looking at" Nebraska Weekly Direct Slaughter Cattle - Negotiated Prices" for last week online - could not figure out how to link the site to this board - so anyone interested can Google it -Nebraska  live sales of 9,000+ steers AVERAGE wt of 1394 - on almost 18,000 head sold on rail average carcass of 866 so also about 1400 live - so they must must have gotten some bigger boxes -

The Big Show / Re: Maine Anjou------What's up?
« on: February 21, 2011, 08:01:38 AM »
what I posted earlier was from conversations with several large cow-calf guys and guys that market hundreds of bulls that were getting off the maine sired bulls and I asked why -  there are good ones and bad ones in all breeds - it is about perception of potential buyers - where is there any substantial commercial demand for shorthorn bulls, chi bulls, limmy bulls and some other breeds? - and it is reflected in the sales - despite there being some really good ones in all of those breeds that could help practically any commercial herd - unfortunately too many folks try to market bulls that are simply not good enough and it comes back around - you see it in Angus sales too but the power of the marketing helps sell even the common ones and to some extent the Simmentals are getting that way now as the breed is so hot - I am not saying it is good or bad but just the way it is and you have to recognize that when you are trying to sell a product be it cattle or cars -  we all have to try to sell what we have -

The Big Show / Re: Maine Anjou------What's up?
« on: February 18, 2011, 11:55:54 AM »
not trying to offend anyone but..... from speaking with other cattle folks the Maines have a reputation of being hard-doing, bad-structured, hard-calving that don't do well at high altitudes - bred too much for the showring it would appear - just what I am told - you see fewer and fewer of them - but I must say the good ones appear to be darn good - same as any breed I suppose - commercial guys are concentrating on live calves that grow and make money in any environment without any hassles - they don't have to be fancy - I know that most folks on this site have a show ring orientation but the commercial world that is the perception -

The Big Show / Re: Mini Herfs?
« on: February 14, 2011, 07:34:56 AM »
I hear through the grapevine that some folks in TX are now flushing mini herfs to herf appearing club calf bulls to make those little stout herf appearing steers - only flushing of course as they could not be expected to have one naturally - the females have the right kind of compact pattern for the female side to make those cute little ones that will show at approaching 2 years of age - another use for the hobby breed - 

The Big Show / Re: Ft. worth grand steer
« on: February 11, 2011, 04:19:10 PM »
I was just looking at some reports on NE fat cattle - and noticed the weekly average live weights from Dec 10 to present generally go from 1420 to 1460 - they prefer bigger carcass weights as it lowers per unit processing costs in the plant - just don't want rea too big or Y3 or less - red meat yield is the business we are in - and getting done on less corn - sooner or later the university guys judging these shows will get the memo and start using a different kind than the square made, big-boned, chunks- I do admit that those smokes were cool to look at - but not not practical to reproduce on a commercial basis and we all know that -

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