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The Big Show / Re: Share your experience/advice please
« on: August 06, 2019, 09:19:09 AM »
I agree with the herd animal comment.  Our first year we had no other calves on the place for our first show heifer.  We got two Nubian goats for company.  Cheap to feed.  Friendly and were also great companions in the years after as something to put in with weaning calves.  Just a thought but it really worked for us.  They lived their lives with the cattle.

The Big Show / cow/calf not thriving....suggestions welcome
« on: July 22, 2019, 02:42:47 PM »
Hey folks.  This has been a good source of "i didn't think of that" ideas
We have a 5 yr old herf cow with a 2 month old heifer on side.  Let me preface this with we are small breeder and raised the mother and this is her 3rd calf.  We take really good care of our small herd as they were all show girls at one time and my cattle friend laughs that if he needs one in better condition he will bring it here.  The calf has been on and off with scours from birth.  Treated with some antibiotics since it ran a fever right after birth.  Environment is clean.  Navel treated at birth with iodine.  Clean bedding.  Clean water and out on pasture.  Fecal study showed no parasites.  Blood work has been normal.  Mother is a bit thin(no ribs showing but topline is pronounced) which is not the norm around here.  Current on worming.  Calf is still loose.  Vet has been consulted along the way and said the stool may be runny for a long time.  Calf is smaller as well and perky but just not as fleshy as the heifer born(same bull) within a day of her on another cow. They are now in the calf barn with fans running, all the hay she wants and is getting about 10lbs/day of a 12% beef mix from the mill. Milk production is about a 6 on a 10 scale. 
We are at a loss as to what or if there is anything we missed. Our ladies usually are a 9 or 10 just on our pasture with mineral and hay to boot!
Welcome to all constructive thoughts on anything we may have missed. TIA

ETA:  Thank you for the suggestions.  We have had her looked at further and it has been determined it is a heart issue.  I appears her right side eye has been affected.  Her jugular veins are enlarged.  Blood is not flowing well and she won't be long for the world.  Odd case the vet said.

First it is sad you have to go through this.  Small claims court is your best avenue but as the previous person stated you have to file it in the county they reside in.  If you do this have your ducks in a row. You appear to have an email that stated you would be paid.  That is good for you.  Not so for them.  Having been through small claims court in my business, when you file make sure you include any fees,  lost wages, travel costs, etc in the claim so you can be reimbursed should it take you a day off work just to file the claim.  It will go to SCC and you will get a say.   Understand the process for that county by talking to them.  Ours is such you show up on a day and they hear your case.  Mine did not show up and I was awarded my case but they paid on the absolute last day they could.  You have to decide if $450 is worth your time and effort.  Again, so sorry you have been led on but there really are great people in this industry.  Just the bad apples are pretty hard to forget. 

The Big Show / Re: Genetics Gurus Question for you
« on: June 08, 2016, 08:39:37 AM »
We have gotten two grey skinned white heifers.  Gorgeous they are but not smoky.   Will be interested to see what we get from them down the road.  I would have thought we would get more smokey tones but not the case. 

The Big Show / Genetics Gurus Question for you
« on: June 05, 2016, 08:24:46 AM »
I know a little about genetics
Trying to piece together the offspring genetics of a calf  Now I know the color of it and it's full sibling.  Thought I would ask you color gurus what you think I may get and see what you all say

Cow is By Alias out of a PB Angus  Cow has grey skin/nose and is not pure white but a shade of white/silver
Above cow is bred to Brilliance-PB Angus bull

What so you think we got in color-wise in the last two calves?

Cows previous calves have been
crossbred peach bull(charolais influence) and we got a smokey bull
Crossbred peach bull (above bull) and we got a red heifer
crossbred black bull and we got a black bull

The Big Show / Re: Article on youth programs - good read
« on: August 28, 2014, 10:23:23 AM »
While I found the facts of the article to be fairly accurate is was the insinuation that what was going on at the hog shows is a bad thing.   

Life is a competition.  From peewee little leagues, rocket football, science fairs, GPAs, jobs, and the list goes on.  There will always be the those that have deeper pockets and those that don't.  What can give a person a step up is the ability to purchase better.  What you can't purchase is drive and ambition.  You all know of a sleeper animal someone bought cheap and because of elbow grease and knowledge they made it better and won.  This article makes it seem like it is the have and have-nots that compete with only the "haves" doing the winning.  Maybe it's also the fact they strive to be the best.  No one walks into any sporting event, test, or competition to lose.  Livestock kids of any kind are some of the best kids in this country.  They understand work and where it will take them.  They know an industry that thrives on competition, friends and family.  Does everyone get along?  Does everyone get along at work?  At School?  At Church?  To say this is a cutthroat industry is unfair.  Is there any competitive event that doesn't have all the same aspects of finding the right coach/trainer/breeder, paying for training/knowledge/genetics,and working your butt off to be a winner and even being defeated by a better competitor or even fate. 
Sorry but I don't think competition is bad.  You are as good as you want yourself to be and having money may make the way a little easier but it doesn't ensure you will be always on top. 

The Big Show / Re: proud parent
« on: August 17, 2014, 10:45:54 AM »
Your steer was laying down.  Weighed 1365 I believe. Looked them all over and waited to see if he would get up.  Told the spouse that guy was going to win the show.  Nice steer and we have raised some of our own to success and there is nothing better than that!  Good luck and will see what you have in the show next year!

The Big Show / Re: proud parent
« on: August 16, 2014, 10:35:14 AM »
Was this steer on a south wall of the beef barn?  Of the south barn.  If this is the one I remembered he was my pick to win the show!  Congrats!

The Big Show / Re: DMSO
« on: August 10, 2014, 09:35:26 AM »
Good article on it 

It is true that this is used as a medium to transfer other drugs and solvents through the skin easily.  That is why is must be used in a clean environment as it helps bacteria get through as well.  It is actually used to help some cancers but the studies about long term use have not been done.

As for what they are using it for in the show industry.  Along with the above action it is an anti-inflammatory as well and can reduce swelling.  It is not a pain reduced but that is where I have heard some cattle people adding the drug gel Surpass to the area for pain relief on still or sore joints.  No flames please.  I have not nor would I do this but this is what I have heard it is being used for. 

The Big Show / Re: Cooking in the Stall
« on: July 15, 2014, 08:06:38 PM »
Try 2 packages smoked sausage cut up into chunks.  About 2 lbs red potatoes-if large quarter them. I bag frozen green beans.  About a cup of water.  Put in a pot on low all day or High for half the day until the potatoes are done.  the size of the potatoe determines the cooking time.  Need it to go fast, you just cut the potatoes smaller.  Sausage seasons everything and you end up with a one bowl meal. 

If wanting chicken for tacos here is a very easy way to so it.  4 -5 boneless skinless chicken breast.  One package each of Hidden Valley Ranch dry dressing mix and one Taco seasoning dry mix.  Pour over chicken breasts in crock pot and cook until chicken pulls apart.  High 4 hours  Low about 6. 

Taco soup
4 cans of beans-pinto,kidney,black bean, navy bean-whatever you like but these are the ones I use
3-4 boneless skinless chicken breasts
2 cans mild rotel tomatoes-you can adjust the hotness here.  I use 1 can rotel and 1 can diced tomatoes
1 small can diced green chilies.  Doesn't add heat just flavor
1 package each of Hidden Valley Ranch and Taco Seasoning

Put chicken in crock pot.  Pour seasonings over chicken.  Open cans of everything else.  Dump all including liquid into the crock pot.  Cook on low 6-7 hours.  I jump start mine on High for 2 hours then turn to low.

Serve with crushed chips on top and little bit of sour crme or salsa verde
This is a favorite!

« on: May 15, 2014, 12:12:39 PM »
I watched the chicken documentary.  In the age where the American animal producer is being attacked by such animal rights activists as PETA, and the Humane Society for production practices and by such retailers as Chipotle for our ""inhumane" practices, I am concerned how these "relationships" will be portrayed?  We need nothing that one of these do-gooders can latch onto to promote how we shouldn't be exploiting these animals for our own benefit.  It is very easy to put a fuzzy cuddly spin on these tales between a cow, heifer, calf, steer and bull but the fact remains they are there to make cattle producers money and to find an end point at a slaughterhouse.  Saying that, all of our mama's have names so does our family have a personal relationship to each of our mama cows?  You bet.  Their calves are named and I am bottle feeding a heifer right from a hard birth as the mother licks me as if to say thank you.  Caring, respecting and even becoming attached is all part the process of raising quality animals.  I felt the chicken piece was not the "history" of the chicken.  What the previous posters have shown you is what the cattle industry is.  It is not all warm fuzzy stories of the pets we make them into but the life of a cattle producer and what it takes to feed our family and for some a nation.

The Big Show / Re: Not again
« on: May 15, 2014, 11:32:39 AM »
I am a die hard corgi owner or should I say they own me and my heart.  They are truly magical fierce stubborn loyal cuddlebugs!  So sorry you lost part of your family.  A friend sent me this when my corgi passed away from cancer.  Hope it helps and when you are ready your old friends will point you in the direction of a new one. 

Being a veterinarian, I had been called to examine a ten-year-old Irish wolfhound named Belker. The dogs owners, Ron, his wife, Lisa, and their little boy, Shane, were all very attached to Belker, and they were hoping for a miracle.

I examined Belker and found he was dying of cancer. I told the family we couldnt do anything for Belker, and offered to perform the euthanasia procedure for the old dog in their home.

As we made arrangements, Ron and Lisa told me they thought it would be good for six-year-old Shane to observe the procedure. They felt as though Shane might learn something from the experience.

The next day, I felt the familiar catch in my throat as Belkers family surrounded him. Shane seemed so calm, petting the old dog for the last time, that I wondered if he understood what was going on. Within a few minutes, Belker slipped peacefully away.

The little boy seemed to accept Belkers transition without any difficulty or confusion. We sat together for a while after Belkers death, wondering aloud about the sad fact that animal lives are shorter than human lives.

Shane, who had been listening quietly, piped up, I know why.

Startled, we all turned to him. What came out of his mouth next stunned me.  Id never heard a more comforting explanation.  He said, People are born so that they can learn how to live a good life like loving everybody all the time and being nice, right?

The six-year-old continued, Well, dogs already know how to do that, so they dont have to stay as long.

The hormone beef thread made me think of this I saw on another page.  Please share.  It is a very very simple way to visually share what hormones are in what.  Hard to dispute this picture.  Wonder how much cabbage everyone ingested on St. Patty's Day?  read it and see  ;)


The Big Show / Re: Another attack on American Agriculture by Chipotle
« on: February 17, 2014, 06:49:30 PM »
I have searched a lot and I cannot find any place they say they buy their meat from.  Niman ranch is one supplier.  here is a list of ingredients.  Not sure how they think their food is so superior.  I see all the things they say they are against on the ingredient list

I believe Sysco is a supplier which is a supplier for a lot of other mainstream restaurants  http://sysco.com/documents/Catalog-MeatSuppliers.pdf

ewwww!  http://www.allgov.com/usa/ca/news/top-stories/sysco-accused-of-storing-perishable-food-in-unrefrigerated-storage-lockers-130712?news=850539

Chipotle wants transparency as to the conditions and feed the meat they buy but try and find where they get their meat from.  Next to impossible.  The do not even post their guidelines for responsibly raised animals  They just say they follow Whole foods guidelines. I smell something fishy

The Big Show / Re: Another attack on American Agriculture by Chipotle
« on: February 17, 2014, 06:07:06 PM »

Seems like a reasonable request

Can anyone out there supply a link as to where they do buy their meat?

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