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The Big Show / Re: Outsider and perfection?
« on: October 05, 2021, 09:54:24 PM »
Unfortunately, I'm not sure it makes financial sense for them to use a genetic source that they can't control.

I do wish more of the smaller breeders would actually breed cattle instead of just replicate.

The Big Show / Re: Cant find an old picture
« on: September 29, 2021, 04:59:29 PM »
I believe it's Don Cagwin.

You'll find the picture in the upcoming Leveldale sale catalog on page 20 where Cagwin's cattle are featured. 

The Big Show / Re: Vytelle ivf
« on: September 02, 2021, 09:37:21 AM »
Do they use the same reverse sorting tech/process as Trans Ova?

Here you go.  I think CD marked the beginning of the end of the frame era in Shorthorns.  He is listed as a 7.5 frame.  In the same issue, March 92, Rockdale Powerdream (by AKF Power Play) was national champion and C Cisco (by HS Instant Enticer) was reserve national champion bull.  Both were listed as having 9+ frame scores.  This was back when they still touted frame score in their write ups for national champions.  Cedar Curve Farrah (also by AKF Power Play) was national champion female and KaBa Rose T90 was reserve and theyre listed as 7.9 and 8.8 frame scores respectively.

Warrior's win seems to have marked part of the turning point.

It's always interesting to see how some of these genetics mesh over time even while being concentrated. I have a couple flush mate heifers with at least 9 shots of T90 in them and they're showing no signs of those frame scores.

A well known breeder told me that a single drop of Chi blood results in no "bottle teats."  Does anyone else recall that Rodeo's electronic pedigree (previous version) showed Chi, possibly in the dam of HS KENDRA ANN 209TH,  Shorthorn %:     AR50?   

I'm almost sure it was there in the past, but I do not have a screenshot.

There are a lot of bulls with blank spots in their pedigrees right now, so who knows what's going on.

Does anybody really know what the maternal side of his pedigree is?   His GG Grand-dam is HS Kendra Ann 209th and listed at 50% shorthorn and black with white marks.    So she could be some combination of Angus,  Black White Face,  or Holstein.   The fact that Rodeo Drive was reputed to sire great udders might suggest that Holstein is a better fit than the others.   The great size of his offspring, as well as his own long legs,  lends credence to that interpretation, as well.

I do not believe you have listed the breed that should be attributed to that piece of his pedigree.

I'd really like to know why the database is missing large pieces of pedigrees that used to be there. Some very popular bulls now have blank pedigrees.

I know there is plenty of thick shorthorns as well, but sometimes it is hard to tell just what is naturally thick and what is myostatin. Would all breeds not have similar issues with single carrier myostatin sires?
I've used quite a few carriers, sometimes because I didn't realise it and sometimes because other options were not available.
Have bred a myostatin free bull that I thought was good enough and reasonably thick and I used him this year.
He's a grandson of the Australian bull Broughton Park Thunder and his dam goes back to Ballyart Vantage. He's a 2 year old.
Hope I've got the pictures right!

Was Vantage as wide at the ground as he appeared? What was his hip and pin width like?

Hopster1000, that is food for thought, as an old farmer used to say to the preacher on Sunday after the sermon.  Yours and other posters sure got my attention about the phenotype of offspring of myostatin carriers. 

Many hog breeds added thickness to their hams and general muscularity by infusing Pietrain genetics, a quick fix.  If one is patient, is adding natural thickness to beef cattle by selection not preferable to getting there rapidly via myostatin carriers?

I watched several pigs die as a result of it as well. 30 plus years later, maybe even 100+ in some cases, and they're still sorting the resulting stress gene out of the populations. Some of those populations were never even supposed to have had the source of that gene in them. Odd how that works.

We made some really lean protein, that occasionally tasted funny, as fast as we could though.

The incidence of myostatin in the cattle isn't a major problem for me as long as I know it is there and can plan for it. However I am starting to be of the opinion that it is much better to breed cattle without it, for one main reason, and that is because I think it hides narrow cattle. Not always, but you will soon find out when you get offspring from a myostatin carrier that is free from the mutation.
Suddenly what you had thought of was a thick line of cattle turns out to be not when the myostatin mutation is bred out of it.
A single mutation doesn't seem to cause problems with milk, calving or fertility etc It's the thickness that disappears when it disappears is my issue with it.

I think most people over look this.

Not only is it a false phenotype, but it is also affecting the numbers. The system can't comprehend that the marbling and rib eye are unusual for a reason or that the ww an yw might out perform the prediction. Throw a half a dozen carriers into the breed organized sire test and you have a mess within what was already a borderline statistical guess.

I plan to use a well known e226x carrier on a myo free cow, for non muscling reasons, and have found an F94L carrier I would also like to try. The F94L carrier's phenotype is the reason I was interested in using him, but his test results have put him on the back burner until I convince myself there isn't a clean bull out there built like he is to try instead.

I added a couple bulls to the tank and missed out on a couple others. I was surprised how much people were willing to pay for the bulls I didn't get. It would be interesting to know where some of the volume buys went and how they plan on using it.

This bred heifer is out of an Ultimate Type cow.

The Big Show / Re: OCC Great Plains
« on: June 11, 2021, 02:30:24 PM »
Any thoughts on Anchor?
As good of a female maker that ever walked at occ imo. Just not calving ease for hfrs imo

I keep saying I'll use one of my straws of him on one of my shorthorn donors, but never do. I know it was done back in the day with great success, but no one wanted to pay for them so the F1s simply lived out their days in silence.

The Big Show / Re: Cattle with small brains.
« on: June 09, 2021, 11:12:52 PM »
I've always believed docility comes at a cost.

My horned cattle often appear smarter than my polled cattle.

I occasionally wonder what being around cows does to the human brain. I no longer wonder what being around too many other humans does to the brain. It's obvious.

« on: May 10, 2021, 12:45:18 PM »
registered as shorthorn
have 1 pregnancy from cow 1 and 2 embryos in recips from cow 2 from this bull

Are either of the donors in the ASA as 3/4?

The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: April 28, 2021, 11:44:41 AM »
I wish I had their sale average.

I expected people to complain about her nose. The calf appears to be a fairly tightly line bred animal.

The Shorthorn Country appears to be nearly begging for high quality pictures that can be used on the cover of the magazine on a regular basis. I wish more commercial breeders would step up to the plate.

The Big Show / Re: UK breeding cattle sale
« on: April 14, 2021, 02:58:02 PM »
Am I correct in believing these "show calves" are actually judged by the abattoir buyers, or their connections, at the shows and that's what drives their more extreme lean meat phenotype?

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