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The Big Show / Re: More corn
« on: April 08, 2019, 09:18:33 PM »
Somethings never change! :)

This article is 3 years old, so how long before this gets on the market? 

What should be the objective for land in this country?  Agriculture has over produced.  Corn, soybeans, cattle, pigs, chickens, etc. all are in excess right now.

dang phd's

The Big Show / Re: Soy crops
« on: September 16, 2014, 08:27:22 PM »
Over the past couple weeks sudden death syndrome has made quite an appearance (worst ever for this area).  Some fields have it in over half the field others don't have any.  Some places lost some bottom beans this past week because of flooding.  Other than these two things the beans look better than ever.  Double crop beans look like single crop.  It would be interesting to know how much area is being affected by the sudden death (that's the big deal here).

The Big Show / Re: videos from Diamond
« on: September 15, 2014, 01:53:14 PM »
Thanks for letting me in on that secret!  That's what happens when you get old, u forget stuff that u knew when you were 10.   ;)

So it doesn't really say how much better the F2's are than the purebred's.  Just that it is dramatically less than 10 to 20 percent.  So considering the purebred herds (in general) are at the bottom in performance and the F1 cow is at the top.  But it takes the under achieving purebred herds to make the star.  How much difference is there really compared to just using the F1 x F1 to get the F2 and then breed terminal.  Considering that the F2 is still superior to the purebred in performance which the study said they are.  Also lets consider that the F2 came from something better than Joe down the road and or the sale barn (just to be fair). 

In general I agree with u Xbar, but I got some arguing to get out of my system! ;D

The Big Show / Re: videos from Diamond
« on: September 15, 2014, 11:11:43 AM »
Doesn't mating a F1 to an F1 = a F1?  As long as the same two breeds make up the F1.   If the goal is to make F1's to breed to a terminal line (3 way cross for lbs).  Then why not have a herd of F1 females and breed them to F1 bulls, strictly for the idea of creating more F1 females.  Can't a F1 female out perform a purebred at raising a calf, so why not use her to to make more like her?  Down side would be u would actually have to use an F1 bull (crossbred). 

They are all excellent bulls Jamie!

The Big Show / Re: Ford Ecoboost
« on: May 22, 2014, 12:59:14 PM »
If the ford dies I might have to just get an old freightliner single axle crew cab for a pulling rig.  Should be enough truck that way.
   Agree!  One could find a good reliable single axle semi for $7 - 10,000 (some a lot cheaper).  My neighbor has one with a hitch on it for gooseneck, he hauls hay, cows, whatever with it.  But if you go out of state very far you would have to meet DOT requirements or ur sposed to anyway. ;)  Only downside is you would need something else to check on cows and other stuff with.

The Big Show / Re: Red Angus marbling
« on: May 01, 2014, 10:36:54 PM »

Xbar:  Some of our cows are amerifax, for the most part the calves grade good to excellent.  But cow size is some what of an issue.  As far as pure holsteins, where we sell the calves on grid they don't kill them very often.  Is there a shorty holstein mixture?

What do you mean by they don't kill them very often?

I've always been under the impression that Holsteins and jerseys marbled better than any breed but because they were such poor converters it wasn't profitable to feed them to grade that way

I know at different times in the past they would take pure holsteins but it would just be now and then.  We hauled some of them.  I'm not sure if they even take them at all now (they may)?  I think it was more about the size of the different cuts, and the larger size of the carcasses. There is discounts for 1050 lb. carcass or bigger.  They like a certain cut to fit in a certain box.  Marbling wasn't an issue just size.

http://www.uspremiumbeef.com/ProducerEducationForum.aspx  there is a bit of good info on this site.  Nothing that I saw about holsteins but plenty about beef cattle.

The Big Show / Re: Red Angus marbling
« on: May 01, 2014, 05:48:07 PM »
BTDT:  kill sheets on progeny, scan data would be nice to see but can be unreliable, epd's can be valuable in the right program.

Davis:  List a shorthorn herd or sire if u want.  Personally I don't know of one that will match up let alone beat the angus on marbling.  Not to say there isn't one or some, very few seem to know what they can do.  None of the shorthorns that I have match up.  They have other qualities that I need but as far as marbling they don't match up with the angus we had been using.

Xbar:  Some of our cows are amerifax, for the most part the calves grade good to excellent.  But cow size is some what of an issue.  As far as pure holsteins, where we sell the calves on grid they don't kill them very often.  Is there a shorty holstein mixture?

So list some Red angus or shorty bulls that will match up.  What is the top marbling bull in the red angus breed?  Put some sires up instead of just saying they are the best at marbling in general.  My point was not to say they aren't the best, but to say list the bulls that make it the best.

By the way I don't google!

The Big Show / Re: Red Angus marbling
« on: April 30, 2014, 09:08:29 PM »
List a couple red angus herds or some sires that will match up or beat the best in the black angus breed (at marbling).   I don't think there is any but I maybe wrong?

Spoken and believed just as a black angus follower.  It is widely proven (you can google as well as I can) that red angus marble better than the blacks. Current research shows that the gap is widening; maybe because of the direction each breed has taken?.   
If you re-read your statement, you even almost admit it  And I quote, "that will match up or beat the BEST in the black angus breed"...   I am sure their are outliers in the black angus breed that will beat the red angus or any other breed, but as a total breed no. 
In fact, due to the fact that the red angus breed is a THR (total herd reporting) breed, every single animal is recorded and counts in the tabulation of EPD's. The black angus breed only reports their "best" animals, so the breeds true reflection is not obtained. I realize this is a hard thing for the black angus breed to defend or even "justify" and I am not really saying that one is better than the other (ok, I probably am!) but that is the fact about each breed. 

Maybe if the blacks would focus on their breed improvement and not so much the fad of the year, they might catch back up. And maybe the house cleaning the breed did a few months ago is a good start. Time will tell.

Uh, sorry but I couldn't care less which breed in general marbles better.  It's like being in Florida during a hurricane or rainy period and saying generally it's very sunny here.  Stack the best sires of each breed against each other for this trait and see who wins.  I admitted nothing, only left the door open for a knowledgeable person to answer what I could not.  I don't know that much about the red angus breed that's why I said I maybe wrong.  The black angus breed is anything and everything, so in general terms it's all over the place trying to be the best at everything (so generalities don't work very well with it).

The statement red angus marbles better than black angus is meaningless. 

List a red angus herd or bulls that can match up with Green Garden Angus bulls for marbling.  Simple just list.

Lastly it is not widely proven that you can google as well as I can.

The Big Show / Re: Our Son Keaton Christensen, Serious accident
« on: April 28, 2014, 09:21:56 PM »
Prayers to your son and your family.

The Big Show / Re: Red Angus marbling
« on: April 28, 2014, 09:20:01 PM »
List a couple red angus herds or some sires that will match up or beat the best in the black angus breed (at marbling).   I don't think there is any but I maybe wrong?

The Big Show / Re: ? for the Shorthorn Experts.
« on: April 03, 2014, 04:54:14 PM »

My guess is that there is some genetic synergy with Shorthorn and Angus that boosts marbling. Things can be linked in so many different ways that it's hard to imagine the whole picture.
The docility approach I think is a more straightforward way to get IMF.
Even if an animal tests high for marbling, will it marble? As usual, it depends...
I'm with you on everything but the docility.  For a couple years we only saved heifers out of cows that produced prime calves (they were some of the craziest, didn't stay around too long).

Jamie:  Did you get the data?

The Big Show / Re: ? for the Shorthorn Experts.
« on: April 03, 2014, 04:41:57 PM »
In 2012, we sold 32 head of fat cattle in one load to Tyson on the grid at the age of 14 to 15 months.  28 of the 32 were sired by our herd sire AF KF VG Step Ahead or a son of Step Ahead that we raised.

with shorthorn epd's highly suspect, how has his numbers changed, especially the accuracy from the 1st calf to the last one?
Also, do you have kill data from these same cows from another sire or two?  It would be interesting to know if it was actually from the bull, cows, or maybe they are pretty much equal?  It's good data, especially for the age! (clapping)

The Big Show / Re: ? for the Shorthorn Experts.
« on: March 28, 2014, 02:36:16 PM »
Until someone raises YG1 animals that grade prime and actually look and perform on the maternal side.  Until then no I am not interested.  I guess if it was a totally terminal line it would be okay, but if one did that why not use Wagyu and be done with it?

What is the live weight of a YG1 steer?  Depends are you talking 4 frame YG1 or 8 frame YG1?   ;D

I guess the point of this topic was to see if there is any shorty sires available that have sired a reasonable rate of prime calves.  I guess there isn't any shorthorns available to do this, because nobody has bothered to find out.  I guess it's back to the proven angus genetics (I'll keep playing with it on the shorties).  Why would it be reasonable for angus seedstock operations to figure this out but not shorties?

On a #850 pound carcass right now YG3 or 1 or 2, the difference between choice and prime is $17.17 vrs. $179.86 premium per head.  I would agree it doesn't always pay to feed for prime.  But for cow calf operations who grow their own feed and feed the animals out themselves.  It makes sense to do it most of the time. 

The Big Show / Re: ? for the Shorthorn Experts.
« on: March 27, 2014, 09:54:46 PM »
So my question is this,Does the fact that a specific animal consistently produces low to avg.choice animals guarantee the fact that with a change in the feeding program or extension of a feeding program,a high percentage of those offspring will go prime?
  No!  From my experience, I would say that most cattle if fed right can grade choice.  But to get a high rate of prime, one would need the right genetics.  So genetics, type of feed, and length of time on feed all contribute greatly to the end results. IMO

Also on the scenario you gave I would ask what Yield Grade were they at when they graded low to avg. choice.  That would potentially determine if there was any potential benefit to feeding them longer.   Basically YG1 choice vrs. YG4 choice.  So if the YG1 choice would have been fed to YG3 or 4 (possibly it would have become prime).  So basically if your not feeding to YG3 or 4, you really don't know what those genetics are capable of. 

I'm not really interested in YG1 prime, if I wanted that I would go look at the Wagyu's. ;D

The Big Show / Re: ? for the Shorthorn Experts.
« on: March 26, 2014, 09:19:15 PM »
I think I'll look into the  Mollies Defender Adair bull and see if there is any semen around anywhere.  Look's like there was a calf born in 2013.  Does anybody have a pic or any idea of what he looked like?  Waukaru told me some of their prime calves have came out of animals that have had Rodeo Drive in the background a ways back.     

On the other bulls does anyone have any kill data, that would reflect ability to sire prime calves? 

Brock you hit the nail on the head with the angus vrs. shorthorn.  We are just selling on the grid, prime was an extra $21 per hundred.  Compared to choice only being a couple bucks per hundred. (couple weeks ago)

I have sold around 30 head (over a 4 year period) of purebred shorty's on the grid and not one of them went prime.  Some shorty sired calves out of Amerifax - angus cows have graded prime, but a lower percent compared to angus sired out of the same cows.   

I wouldn't mind making a bull of my liking but would like an idea of where to start.  We've used Sneed, Lakeside genetics (mainly to save females out of), and the steers are grading consistently choice with a small percent prime. 

Thanks for all the info.

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