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The Big Show / Re: Opinions on steer please
« on: April 18, 2017, 06:02:12 PM »
As far as finish, condition, and health he looks great. As far as how he will do it really depends on your county and how they show. We are about 2 hours north of Houston. Our counties are strictly by weight, they do not split the classes in any way based on breed. This calf is obviously American and I think he can do well in the American division. Very complete calf, great bone. Looks sound other than the right hind that has been pointed out previously.
I urge my clients to work hair for slick calves just like they would for a haired show. Its not just about working the hair it is about keeping that hide healthy. If you are 3 weeks out. I would go ahead and slick him off now. Rinse him every day and condition his hide. Then go back 3 or 4 days pre show and go back over him with a cover coat blade. That is my prefered method for having one looking good for a slick show.

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The Big Show / Re: Heifer Problems
« on: July 27, 2014, 03:51:10 PM »
To me this is kind of an iffy subject. Technically a seller is under no obligation to refund or replace. There are risks that are inherent when you are dealing with live animals. A lot of people feel like a seller should replace an animal of it becomes crippled etc. Well I have to ask the question, was the animal sound in your opinion when you bought it? If not, then why did you buy it? Was it just understood that there was a concern or risk that you were willing to take? If so then why should the seller be responsible for a risk that knowingly accepted? If the animal was sound when you bought it, is there chance that unsoundness is due to injury? Again an inherent risk which the seller is not responsible for. If the animal seemed sound and you had no reason to believe he would develop an issue at time of purchase then why should the seller believe he should develop an issue? And why should the seller be responsible when he does? Is it the sellers fault? Sometimes it is and in those cases then yes the seller should make it right. If the seller guarantees a calf sound and you get home and the calf isn't and it is an issue that most likely happened before delivery then yes I feel the seller should make it right. If the calf was sold as gentle and halter broke and the next day turns into a Mexican fighting bull then yes the seller should make it right.
I guess the big question here is did the seller sale the calf as being gentle and halterbroke? Have you been in contact with the seller since day one and made sure he was aware of the issue? If the seller didn't guarantee the calf gentle then technically he is under no obligation to replace her or refund your money, but still most decent sellers or breeders are going to replace one that is to crazy for a kid to show.

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The Big Show / Re: when did judges stop feeling steers
« on: July 27, 2014, 03:33:20 PM »
I always handle market steers when I judge. Even if it doesn't change where they would have placed if I hadn't handled them, it is still a good practice. If you are that concerned with getting kicked or you get kicked that often then you probably are not being super smart about how you are approaching the animal. I always approach from the front and on same side as exhibitor. I greet the exhibitor and always ask what the steer weighed, that doesn't affect my placing just a way to show interest in the kid. This also gives me a chance to encourage a child who may be nervous or frustrated. I then start at the halter and rub the steer until I get to the 12th rib where I feel for finish. I rarely get kicked, if anything the steer tries to move away. And generally the exhibitor will tell you if their calf is likely to kick. And like was said earlier if a steer isn't calm enough by the time he should be finished then he is at a natural disadvantage.

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The Big Show / Re: Opinions on my Sons Hereford Heifer
« on: November 08, 2013, 01:14:26 PM »
I think she looks really good,and I think her record speaks for that as well.  The Herefords have gotten really popular again the last few years, and there are some pretty salty ones getting drug up and down the road here in TX.  So to win a class in Dallas out to tell you what you need to know.  Again a sound, long necked, long bodied individual. Has good circumfrence of bone and has plenty of power.  To get really critical she may have a little more set to the hocks than some people will like, but for me that is not a problem at all.  Overall a really good package.  You can tell she was still a little green at Dallas, but she looks like at that point she was right on track.  Good luck with her.

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The Big Show / Re: My son's favorite
« on: November 07, 2013, 04:05:05 PM »
Looks like your son is pretty good at pickin em.  And his name is on the sire and dam's papers as well.  Pretty good start for a kid there I would say.

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The Big Show / Re: Cool Room
« on: November 07, 2013, 04:03:12 PM »
I dont have a cool room, but when I have had use of them I like them set at least 55 or lower. I want it colder than a cows ambiant temperature which is generally somewhere around 60

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The Big Show / Re: Fitting/clipping jobs
« on: November 07, 2013, 04:01:34 PM »
I hear you there Chambero, 2 yrs ago at Ft Worth we were crammed in between other cattle, we had paid for a chute and had a girl that couldnt go because of grades so we should have had an extra space and we still couldnt set up a chute.  A few isles down there was a county with 3 chutes and enough space for all their kids to sit back and recline in their big ol chairs. It doesnt make sense.  But I agree, just like most shows I dont look for rules to get enforced.  The shows mostly make those rules just to satiate those people who always blame the fact that they get beat on politics and fitters anyway.

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The Big Show / Re: How is he improving?
« on: November 07, 2013, 03:57:06 PM »
When I am trying to blow some middle into one I like a good Sorgum X Sudan Grass mix or hybrid.  Some people call it HayGrazer, dont know if you can get it down there or not but I like it and calves eat it well.  Its hard to tell everything from the picture, but where do you want the calf to weigh at show day.  Framewise where do you think he needs to finish? 

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The Big Show / Re: Fall Borns
« on: November 07, 2013, 10:06:35 AM »
Goodlooking heifer, any steers hitting the ground?

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The Big Show / Re: How is he improving?
« on: November 07, 2013, 09:59:39 AM »
I think you are doing a pretty good job with him.  You have to love the extension in this steer, he is really long and extended through his neck and front end and super long sided.  He has good circumfrence of bone, and appears to be sound. On the profile he is really level down the top line, which for a steer with his length will indicate he should have a pretty good top in him.  Love the way he carries down into his lower quarter.  My advice would be to keep doing what your doing, really work that hair, and start adding some fiber to his diet to drop that belly if you havent already.  Beet pulp, cotton seed hulls, long stemmed hays will all help you with that.

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The Big Show / Re: Hair growing tips
« on: November 07, 2013, 09:52:34 AM »
Someone said you are in FL so I will offer my advise based on that.  #1 in my opinion for areas as humid as the gulf coast states, keep him under a fan.  From my experience, high humidity and 75degrees will shuch hair as much as 100 degree dry weather.  Keep those fans on him to keep air circulating and hair moving.  Then it is pretty much as everyone else said, rinse as often as possible, you arent going to get many days in FL that are to cold to rinse, and very few days that are truly cold enough to grow hair.  Ambient body temp for cattle varies somewhere around 60 degrees, that means that at that temp they are going to maintain what hair they have and neither grow or shuck hair in most circumstances, that means that we have to get them colder in order to grow hair.  When rinsing, if you can do it 3 or 4 times a day, use the coldest water you can and concentrate for 20 minutes or so on neck and heart girth area and legs, you run cold water over the most exposed major arteries then and will circulate cooled blood cooling the calf off.  Then use a rice root brush until you think your arm will fall off, this not only trains hair but stimulates blood flow to hair follicles which gives healthier coat.  Unless they are going under fans in a cooler, I never leave a calf wet.  So blow him out after each rinsing, but dont over dry him use a brush to stimulate hair rather than the blower at home.  Keep him in the dark, lack of daylight for prolonged periods makes their body think winter is approaching and they will start growing hair and laying down fat in an effort to prepare for the cold months.

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The Big Show / Re: Fitting/clipping jobs
« on: November 06, 2013, 11:06:22 PM »
When I read the rule it seemed pretty vague to me.  The rule reads:
"An animal will be disqualified from the show if it is being trimmed, fitted, or dressed by anyone other than exhibitors, County Extension Agents or Agricultural Science Teaches from the state of Texas, or other feeders or leaders from the county or school district from which the animal is entered."
I mean to enforce this rule they are going to have to have birth certificates, family trees, proof or residence.  Plus it is really controversial to me.  I mean one kid can hire the best fitters in the state as long as they live in the same county, but another kid would be disqualified because they live across the county line. Not a very good rule at all, but besides it wont get enforced anyway.

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The Big Show / Re: Thoughts on steer
« on: August 26, 2013, 08:52:33 PM »
Cant ask for much better hair.  But I have to agree with showstopper, not sure if its the pic, but he looks forward in the shoulder and straight in the knee.  But he also looks pretty leggy and shallow.  If he had some guts and dimension through the middle you might not notice that to much.  Really long spined calf, but looks really, really green for a 13 month old calf.  What show are you pointing him towards?

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The Big Show / Re: Opinions of Market Heifer
« on: August 16, 2013, 07:37:53 PM »
Its hard to tell from a pic, but I would say she looks plenty tall enough for me.  She looks like she has plenty of product and shape in her.  Yeah so her neck isnt good enough, but remember she is a market heifer.  Unless you get one of those judges that is gonna harp on what her contemporaries in the pasture look like then I think the rest of her will make up for the neck. 

On a side note, not to start controversy, but for everyone that knocks steers because of what their contemporary heifers might look like.  This heifer is what I hope they look like if they were produced by a terminal cross, because if they were produced by a terminal cross in the commercial side of the industry then they should end up at the feedlot just like their steermates.  So I say this heifer is the picture of what a market heifer should be.

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The Big Show / Re: XBAR's Nightmare
« on: July 14, 2013, 10:20:01 PM »
I think a lot of these composites started out a lot like the breeds justintime mentioned, so to call them mongrols is to call those breeds mongrols as well.  Yes the breeding was more systematic, but a lot of it also came about as a "hey! that one did really good, lets see if we can recreate it with some consistancy and clean up the defects" kind of moment.  Thats what led to keeping records and led to a breed being established.  I have no problem with a composite registry.  I also have no problem with all the percentage registries.  I do think the percentage registries have gotten out of hand.  I think percentage registries were a good way to document how a specific breed works in a cross situation, but it turned into just a way to get papers on something so it can show in a breed show.  I think the biggest problem are breed registries that are so full of purebreds that have none of the characteristics of that breed.

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