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Definitely recall seeing the Kendra cow showing half Chi on her papers prior to digitalbeef.

Bull I still have, Waukaru Forward 4003, has 7 shots of RD.   Dont have many daughters of his but one has atop 2-3 bull calf in the herd- Jubal Early 2117

By far worst Shorthorn cow Ive ever seen was a T90 clone in Indiana.  Cow looked to be about 3 feet across the hips w/ a tailhead coming out of the top of her spine as big around as my arm.  A literal mutant.

The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: May 27, 2021, 09:29:32 AM »
Has nothing to do with purity- it has to do with maintaining a breed standard.

Im not sure where the purity focus comes from. I dont own any native shorthorns. 

Surely you didnt think Charolais had black pigment?   Black and red are the only two pigment colors.   Even if both Char parents were Fullbloods, if calf has black nose it can only be registered as a 15/16ths. 

If it is a plus on the cover it makes the conversation even more relevant is why in the world would a purebred registry have a crossbred as the poster child.

The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: May 26, 2021, 12:47:35 PM »
Idk thats its a myth as much as it is a breed standard.   What constitutes a "breed" if not a uniform or at least similar set of characteristics?

Why does every Shorthorn association in the world -except for the ASA- bar entry to black nose animals?

Why does every red pigment breed out there -red angus, Charolais, hereford, etc- bar entry to black nose animals?

Would seem to me that amongst cattle associations, theres a pretty unanimous consensus regarding this topic?

The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: May 22, 2021, 06:44:14 PM »
what are shorthorn purists, for lack of a better word, so worried about with black?

cataloging it on a phenotype?  slippery slope of color types? 

they are otherwise shorthorns?

i mean, seriously, they should genotype the whole herd, and get rid of anything with holstein, maine's, who knows what else.

all breeds are like this. all of them.

I dont know of any other breed like this that has no phenotypical standards or defining breed characteristics.   Shorthorn is the only association of any red hided breed I know of that even allows black noses to be registered.   Disqualification in every Shorthorn registry in the word- not the ASA theyll take your money.    I raised a hell of a black nose calf.  Even used him after Oakview saying he had a black nose bull that didnt throw any dark nosed calves.   My experience hasnt been so fortunate.

The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: May 11, 2021, 02:49:48 PM »
Yeah thats a terrible representation ridiculous they put a black nose on the cover

The Big Show / Re: JIT any pics of Leader Calves?
« on: March 22, 2021, 04:28:36 PM »
2100lb cows, an industry source for easy fleshing genetics  :o    (lol)

The Big Show / Re: New Herdsire
« on: February 22, 2021, 08:32:25 PM »
Where specifically on the map is their true environment?   Im in North Texas 40 inches of rain a year where most people running a cow per 4 acres.   Average growth epds is plenty here.  Do you want to see some thin calves use you a trait leader growth bull.   Ill put the mid 40s WW bulls up against any here. 

The Big Show / Re: New Herdsire
« on: February 15, 2021, 03:47:31 PM »
Shorthorn average is more performance than my environment can support.   Exposes the worst part about epds. People see the percentile ranking as better or worse instead of appropriately using them to identify and match a level of performance within the cattle to their environment.

The Big Show / Re: Heritage/Native Shorthorn Bull Listing
« on: February 01, 2021, 03:20:17 PM »

The Big Show / Re: adding rib shape?
« on: December 15, 2020, 12:59:47 PM »
haygrazer / sorgum sudan etc

throw all those products in the trash and utilize feed stuffs.    Put her on a bale of sudan free choice and watch her midsection "appear" to double in size.  Balancing this with getting enough energy in her ration to keep her fat is the challenging part.   Corn, a a textured finisher, and a sudan type forage will get you much closer to accomplishing your goals than any product will.

The Big Show / Re: Biss element 79 what ever happened
« on: December 03, 2020, 10:02:24 PM »
Nice to hear from someone who actually used the bull and has first hand experience.

Yea hes such a unique specimen that only by using him specifically could you infer anything about his type.  How long you been at this again?

The Big Show / Re: Old Shorthorn Books. Lewis F. Allen
« on: December 03, 2020, 08:36:05 AM »
Otis fisher- thats a name havent heard in a while.  Attempted to contact him for awhile trying to buy the RC prefix. No luck finding anyone.   History of short-horns is a good read-

The Big Show / Re: Biss element 79 what ever happened
« on: December 02, 2020, 10:58:15 PM »
Bull was way too big to have much usefulness.  Saw him in Denver as a long yearling at over a ton. 

The Big Show / Re: Show Cattle Resources?
« on: December 02, 2020, 03:48:33 PM »
All good stuff

The Big Show / Re: Saskvalley stampede
« on: November 09, 2020, 12:53:52 PM »
Trust what?

Trust them to report accurately?

Trust them to only submit data when contemporary groups are large enough to become statistically relevant?

A previously stated comment and One I very much agree with, And 99% of the Shorthorn bulls out there arent going to get anywhere near the gross numbers, let alone numbers under the same or similar management, to make their EPDs representative.

So while the breeder could be as honest as the day is long in terms of submitting raw date accurately, without a reasonably high level of epd accuracy, most of what igs generates for you is still disinformation rather than useful information.

And the water is only going to get muddier as breed associations continue meddling/bribing to have their breeds strengths prioritized and accentuated in the epd values.

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