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The Big Show / Re: Shorty Folks
« on: June 08, 2013, 10:40:51 AM »
most of you know where I stand on that deal! asterisk free is what we have concentrated on for almost 20 yrs. I have one line that carries the * but it is productive so it stays around.  back in the mid 90's when we got started and had 100 cows that were about 50 50 there was a BIG divide on fleshing ability fertility and frame size so it was not a hard choice to sell off / cull the * cattle and keep the others.

The Big Show / Re: Elbee Throwback son
« on: April 26, 2013, 09:13:46 PM »
I owned Throwbacks sire and he was AWESOME. 

JTM.. I am sure by now Aaron has told you about our bull deal.  If you get the chance to get a pic or 2 on the bull calf that he sent you i would love to see him..  We would like to make some plans to come to your place to see them around July 2 or 3.

The Big Show / Re: Elbee Throwback son
« on: April 26, 2013, 09:01:12 PM »
Nice calf!!!! bet he is heavier than the guess! or at least on the high end.. those kind of cattle weigh good! 

The Big Show / Re: RB EAGLE 239th
« on: April 26, 2013, 08:55:00 PM »
148 also went back to an almost fullblood maine-CHUCK O LUCKS REAL SILVER-as old wierd Harold Hoskins used to say-"the maine dual thing works". Rockers also used a pretty good red powerplant son,and had alot of daughters in the herd: JDS Fireman-who I think they got from Merle Welch. O0

if this chuck o lucks is maine how is 148 listed as * free? He is no appendix / cross bred bull

The Big Show / Re: Suggestion on white shorthorn bull?
« on: April 26, 2013, 08:45:41 PM »
well they are not pure white most of the Gizmo genetics availabe had lots of white on them and will throw color!

The Big Show / Re: RB EAGLE 239th
« on: April 24, 2013, 05:10:55 PM »
If I were to use any of those genetics  Eagle 148 would be the one I would use.

The Big Show / Re: Tail bleeding for preg checking
« on: April 01, 2013, 08:17:19 PM »
We also use SEK... it has been 100% accurate.  its pretty easy to do.  much better and cheaper than having a Vet out!  Less stress on cows!

The Big Show / Re: Argentina
« on: April 01, 2013, 08:07:00 PM »
i went 14 yrs ago on a grazing tour.. went with a delegation from Ohio and Nebraska.  12 day trip... You must see the Linnears livestock  market. ... I would try and contact an ag tour company in Argentina and get connections that way... I will say that trip changed my thinking and molded my decisions on how I wantd my cow herd to look and how I wanted it to perform... One thing we all came to realize was that if Argentina was bigger the global beef business would be much different! 

The large grazing operations and the MIG technology and practices were way ahead of us here in the USA.

Well I have been in the shorthorn deal for nearly 20 yrs now and I can honestly say the 3-4 warrior daughters we had 20 yrs ago were the worst cows we have ever owned.  And honestly there really is not anything special about DS daughters...At 13 if she is still getting bred don't screw her up just enjoy her for the yrs you have left with her. 

Sit down... figure out what all this invitro crap will cost then figure out what the recipts will cost.  then add 50% that dollar amount becasue a 50% success rate is good!......

Now have some fun travel around to some sales... call some breeders and go buy these soggy kickass heifes....

The Big Show / Re: The new registered Shorthorn business model.
« on: February 25, 2013, 09:12:15 PM »

There are tons of cattle multipliers out there..  They think they are breeders but they are just chasing popular pedigrees they really have no clue how to actually get what they want.

How many people out there really have their own prefixs on their cows?  not many...

I like to see this sale catalogs when people call it a production sale and they have 30 -40 lots and not one animal has the owners prefix.....


The Big Show / Re: Shorthorn
« on: February 15, 2013, 09:39:35 PM »
If I was to ratain ownership and feed out purebred shorthorn steers and I owned 100 cows like 90% of what everyone else owns I would make sure that the bull I picked to sire my calves would lower frame score and increase muscle mass and thickness.  Live wt at slaughter would be 1100lbs or less and have have REA consistantly at 13 sq in. 

But if commercial calves were my goal I would breed those shorthorn cows to Pharo Cattle Co Red  Angus bulls... I know they would get the job done!

The Big Show / Re: Breeding for longevity
« on: February 10, 2013, 05:11:23 PM »
Also wanted to add that Gizmo's sire was up in his early 20's when he was sent to slaughter and he was used as a lease bull going from ranch to ranch breeding cows!  he must have been a hellofa sight!

The Big Show / Re: Breeding for longevity
« on: February 09, 2013, 09:34:16 PM »
Well I did not read all 5 pages of replies but I like the topic so i will add my 2 cents

Breeding for longevity is an endevor in breeding for several other things as well. They are also somewhat antagonistic to modern day breeding and selection principles.  Fertility, soundness, structural correctness, resistance to disease, tollerance to things like endophytes, fleshing ability  all come into play.  

Traits like these are not gained by out crossing, following the "cult " of EPDs, chasing blue ribbons, and breeding cattle that are just to dang big.  

Using the principles of Linear measurement,  linebreeding  and strict culling practices will lead to all the traits needed to have longevity become a common trait in a cow herd!

management also plays an important part.  Mineral and vitamin supplement are vital. esp Selenium in most parts of the country.   Grain does more harm than good.  Managing heifers on grass and calving them at 3 instead of 2 is the best decision we have ever made.  before cheap grain that was the norm..

my herd as well at Duncraggen has many more old cows!!! 15% are over 10 and several of them are 14...

Pick breeding stock out of old stock!!  My bull American Muscle had alot longevity in his pedigree.  his maternal grandmother was almost 18 when she died. his mother is 11 this year and doesnot look a day over 6-7

The Big Show / Re: Shorthorn Cow Families
« on: January 12, 2013, 08:03:28 PM »
My favorites were: Joy Maid, Foxglove, Butterfly, and Clara, at Russell Sloans, and Augusta Bloom, Rose Bloom, Golden Clunny from Whittle Bros., and the ol' dual-purpose cow families from Haumont, such as Helianthus and Cherry.

Get a Herd-builder, not a Halter-hoochie, just my opinion.


Halter hoochie!!!  CLASSIC   i love it  that's going down in my book!!!!  LOL

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