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The Big Show / Re: Food for thought... or just one man's opinion.
« on: April 23, 2014, 12:10:11 AM »
I am sure that there are a few others, but here is one "curve bender" shorthorn that comes to mind.  We have used him in the past AI...heifers calve unassisted and they truly do have the performance.

Ar Su Lu Osage 502 - *x4103548

BW: 0.1  (Top 15% in the Breed)
YW: 45   (Top 2% in the Breed)

The Big Show / Re: Tyranny
« on: April 12, 2014, 08:29:38 AM »
I am not necessarily saying that Bundy's rights are being infringe upon or removed, but just want people to know that we live in a Representative Constitutional Republic NOT a Representative Democracy.  If we lived in a Representative Democracy...the majority could infringe upon or remove the rights of the minority - which should be considered dangerous whether you are progressive or conservative.

I will admit that is hard to determine who is right in this case - is the land owned by the federal government, the state of Nevada, or even Clark County?   Bundy obviously believes that the federal government has no constitutional authority over the lands in question.  As a result, he refuses to pay the grazing fees.  I tend to agree with him as I am a proponent of state's rights and believe that states to express more independence.

"Bundy has in fact paid fees to Clark County, Nevada in an arrangement pre-dating the BLM. The BLM arrived much later, changed the details of the setup without consulting with Bundy or any other rancher and then began systematically driving out cattle and ranchers. Bundy refused to pay BLM, especially after they demanded he reduce his herds head count down to a level that would not sustain his ranch. Bundy OWNS the water and forage rights to this land. He paid for these rights. He built fences, established water ways, and constructed roads with his own money, with the approval of Nevada and BLM"  - http://danaloeschradio.com/the-real-story-of-the-bundy-ranch/

You should be above sources like that- you're resorting to trickery.

Eggbert - what right is being infringed upon or removed?

The Big Show / Re: Tyranny
« on: April 12, 2014, 12:43:05 AM »
XBAR - you stated that "we live in a representative democracy.  Majority rules.  The minority interest has no choice."

We live in a Representative Constitutional Republic.  There is a slight but very important distinction.   Majority rules.  However, the Majority can not infringe or remove the rights of the minority.

"James Madison cautioned that under a democratic government, There is nothing to check the inducement to sacrifice the weaker party or the obnoxious individual. John Adams argued that democracies merely grant revocable rights to citizens depending on the whims of the masses, while a republic exists to secure and protect pre-existing rights. Yet how many Americans know that the word democracy is found neither in the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence, our very founding documents?"

I just starting reading about this story today.  But it seems to essentially boil down to an issue of states' rights versus an overreaching federal government. 

Apparently Bundy feels that Nevada is the owner of the land and thus is not willing to pay the US Government for the grazing rights.  His family has been grazing the land since the 1870's - and he states that he doesn't have a contract with the federal government (implying that his grazing contracts are with the state?)  As I understand it, he has attempted to pay the grazing rights to the state or the county but they would not accept the payment. 

Seems like another round of the Sagebrush Rebellion - "a collection of unsuccessful state and local efforts, beginning in 1978, to assert title to federal lands or force their divestiture".

There is a vast amount of discretion that a president has and more specifically that an attorney general has, Holder responded. But that discretion has to be used in an appropriate way so that your acting consistent with the aims of the statute but at the same time making sure that you are acting in a way that is consistent with our values, consistent with the Constitution and protecting the American people."

translation, the progressive left's values
You're right.  The values of the majority.  We live in a representative democracy.  Majority rules.  The minority interest has no choice.

The Big Show / Re: ? for the Shorthorn Experts.
« on: April 10, 2014, 09:30:51 PM »
Will Crossing Two Clones From Prime, YG1 Carcasses Produce Similar Offspring?

A unique cloning project at West Texas A&M University aims to move the needle on the commercial production of Prime, Yield Grade 1 beef carcasses.


The Big Show / Re: ? for the Shorthorn Experts.
« on: April 07, 2014, 09:34:40 AM »
Nate - we only have five years of data - when we started finishing our cattle and selling them direct to packer.

Our choice/prime average for that time period is 86%.  The 2012 data for primarily Step Ahead progeny was 91% - so a slight improvement but a smaller sample size.

In 2012, we sold 32 head of fat cattle in one load to Tyson on the grid at the age of 14 to 15 months.  28 of the 32 were sired by our herd sire AF KF VG Step Ahead or a son of Step Ahead that we raised.

with shorthorn epd's highly suspect, how has his numbers changed, especially the accuracy from the 1st calf to the last one?
Also, do you have kill data from these same cows from another sire or two?  It would be interesting to know if it was actually from the bull, cows, or maybe they are pretty much equal?  It's good data, especially for the age! (clapping)

The Big Show / Re: ? for the Shorthorn Experts.
« on: March 30, 2014, 10:44:45 PM »
Since 2009 we have marketed fat cattle directly on a grade-and-yield basis.  As a result, we have begun to generate some data that demonstrates the exceptional carcass traits of our cattle.  In that time, we have marketed a total of 123 head with 86% (106) of them grading choice or prime.

In 2012, we sold 32 head of fat cattle in one load to Tyson on the grid at the age of 14 to 15 months.  28 of the 32 were sired by our herd sire AF KF VG Step Ahead or a son of Step Ahead that we raised.

91% (29 out of 32) graded Choice or Prime.
   -5 Prime
   -24 Choice

100% were Yield Grade 1s, 2s, or 3s
-62.5% were Yield Grade 1s or 2s 
9 Yield Grade 1s (28%)
11 Yield Grade 2s (34%)

2 graded the extremely rare combination of Prime and Yield Grade 1 (3 out of every 10,000 head achieve this) and two more graded Prime and Yield Grade 2 (less than 1% achieve this quality). 

As far as Sue's comments regarding not wanting heifer mates to Prime YG1 steers...I agree with the premise but in this case these two Prime YG1 animals were heifers.  They had light carcass weights - 693 and 679.  So their live weights were around 1,000.

The number of YG1 and YG2 is primarily due to the fact that corn was very high at the time and we hit the high point in the cattle market in early May.  Most of them could have been fed for another 30 to 45 days, but it didn't seem to make financial sense at the time.  We knew that several were light but we probably needed to fill the load and didn't want to have a few head left to feed.  Since we had a high percentage of choice and prime with the light live/carcass weights and low yield grades, it seems to indicate that the genetics are there to get an even better percentage of prime if fed longer. 

This year we and others will likely feed to higher weights and thus higher yield grades as well.

Picture of Step Ahead attached.  Nate - Step Ahead birth weights are consistently in the mid to low 80's and come easy.  A vast majority of our calves have been out of mature cows, but we have increasingly bred him to heifers with no problems.  In terms of maternal traits he has also been outstanding - easy fleshing females, great udder quality.  We have a few pictures of offspring at this link - http://www.highlandfarmsshorthorns.com/sires.html

The Big Show / Re: Durham Nation sale results
« on: November 03, 2013, 07:05:56 AM »
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The Big Show / Re: Mature herd bull photos
« on: September 08, 2013, 10:46:46 PM »
Here is a picture taken a few weeks ago of 8-year old AF KF VG Step Ahead after breeding cows all summer.

The Big Show / Gene Banking
« on: April 22, 2013, 09:54:11 PM »
I am trying to locate info on Gene Banking.  I have only found one company thus far - Viagen (Trans Ova).  Are there other options as well?  Are other companies comparable in price?  Viagen's site shows $1600 plus $150 per year of storage.

The Big Show / Re: Who are these two shorthorn bulls
« on: April 12, 2013, 06:31:58 PM »
The top one is K-Kim Revamp.  Not sure on the other.

Cattle For Sale / Re: Midwest Shorthorn Sale. Illinois.
« on: February 21, 2013, 04:36:42 PM »
Here's another one in the sale.  See you in Springfield on Saturday. 

If you can't be there be sure to call one of the consultants.


The Big Show / Re: Shorthorn
« on: February 15, 2013, 02:02:39 PM »
Here are a couple Step Ahead daughters.  These are pics from the show ring, but his daughters have excelled in the pasture.  They are easy fleshing and have perfect udders.


Good looking bull eggbert! I would have never guessed his pedigree. I find it odd his epds considering not only his actuals, but his sire and progenies.  Post some pics of his daughters if you have any   (thumbsup)

The Big Show / Re: Shorthorn
« on: February 14, 2013, 10:10:10 PM »
I have posted this information on here before, but last year we sold 32 head - 91% (29 out of 32) graded Choice or Prime.  5 Prime and 24 Choice.  28 of them were sired by AF KF VG Step Ahead or a Step Ahead son.

A majority of his calves are in the low to mid 80's at birth.  Weaning / Yearling growth is outstanding. Last year we took a Step Ahead steer calf to butcher at 12.5 months age and he weighed 1309 lbs.

We have 9 Step Ahead calves in the Shorthorn Assoc. Great State Feedout...so that will provide us with more data.  Plus we have about 30 more calves that we are feeding out at home - we will most likely sell them to Tyson on the grid.

-You have 100 average grade cows .

-All the calves will be sold on the grid. If profit is your concern-

Q) What shorthorn bull do you use?

Q) Is scan data the determinant? Id like to hear some explanations as well, not just bull x or y.  What are the factors that determine your decision?

The Big Show / Re: US Farm Bill
« on: January 01, 2013, 10:26:53 PM »
Hamburman - to be as brief as possible...it would make it much more difficult for the federal government to live beyond its means and make it more likely that they would only do what is Constitutionally permittable.  I don't pretend that it would solve our problems overnight...it wouldn't.  Not by a long shot.  I am saying that is why we are in this mess. 

The only reason that the Federal government is as big and bloated as it is because of the ability to print money via the Federal Reserve.  Under a gold standard, the federal government would only be able to print more dollars if their gold holdings is increased.

Eggbert enlighten me on how being on the gold standard would solve our problems.

The Big Show / Re: US Farm Bill
« on: December 31, 2012, 05:37:49 PM »
Nate - if crop insurance was not subsidized its cost would obviously go up.  However, how many of the other input costs would go down as a result?  How much would the cost of cash rent or land go down if subsidies for crop insurance were removed?  If the "guarantee of profit" was removed...wouldn't farmers be less likely buy land for $20,000 /acre in Iowa or pay $500/acre for cash rent?  So you would pay more for crop insurance, but you would pay less for cash rent.

I also agree that nearly all industries are subsidized to a certain degree...but that doesn't mean that it is okay.  Subsidies or other government interventions create bubbles...such as the one that I laid out above or the recent housing bubble.  Let's say that legislators do the right thing and make cuts to the federal budget in a year or two. I know this is unlikely when they can print money but if they eliminate crop insurance or reduce the level it is subsidized significantly do you really think cash rents or land prices can be maintained?  I don't think so.  How much of a hardship will that be for farmers when they purchased land at 15,000 and it is now worth 8,000?


So you all are saying we should take away crop insurance from everyone because some of the big, medium, small outfits aren't honest. 

just get the government out of it.  why is this so hard to understand?
If we can have affordable crop insurance with out the gov. then bring it on.  I'm all for it.  Why is this so hard to understand?

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