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The Big Show / Re: Hot Commodity & Evolution
« Last post by idalee on October 19, 2019, 06:20:38 PM »
Zero value in submitting data UNLESS you have calves sired by high accuracy reference sires WITHIN THE SAME CONTEMPORARY GROUP.  Without relevant sample sizes, much of what the ASA is trying to accomplish with EPDs is useless.  Even look at sire test.   Theyre doing as much bad as they are good by having contemporary groups with such minimal sample sizes and references.  They need to limit the number of bulls to about 5 so that enough calves can be born from each to produce relevant sample sizes.  Using 1 offspring within a contemporary group as a reference will result in misleading results every time.  Reality is few breeders have the ability to produce relevant sample sizes.

Once again the,  the profundity of Mark Twain's remark is validated!
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The Big Show / Re: I-80
« Last post by Wildmustang777 on October 19, 2019, 06:16:27 PM »
I know!! That's awesome.... Wish mine could  (thumbsup)
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The Big Show / Re: I-80
« Last post by CRS on October 19, 2019, 12:57:44 PM »
I have not, but one thing I will say is he is almost 11 and he is at Nichols right now being collected. Not too many bulls can do that.
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The Big Show / Re: I-80
« Last post by Wildmustang777 on October 19, 2019, 08:55:19 AM »
Anyone?
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The Big Show / Re: BDR calf
« Last post by mark tenenbaum on October 18, 2019, 08:34:47 PM »
A cow like that would have a good one from a billygoat O0
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The Big Show / Re: The Female Event
« Last post by mark tenenbaum on October 18, 2019, 08:33:26 PM »
Pretty amazing to have that kind of inventory to sell One of these days we need to get one-But you would probably disown me for breeding some of the right oldschool Oklahoma range cattle  blood or maybe reasonable fullblood maine I thought at the time the magic blood in the nineties on them knocked one out of the park O0
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The Big Show / Re: Hot Commodity & Evolution
« Last post by mark tenenbaum on October 18, 2019, 08:22:54 PM »
The other "most documented" HC is Dales Homeplace Hot Commodity-who has been on here in another thread Homeplace is one of the oldest "performance tested" Shorthorn herds " in the breed-and the bull sure looks the part His semen is available on Cattle Visions Anyone who has ever conversed with Dale Allison can see his strict adherence to those tenents back MANY years and an academic understanding of genetics in general  O0O0
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The Big Show / Re: Hot Commodity & Evolution
« Last post by 764wdchev on October 18, 2019, 01:16:51 PM »
Is JSF Hot Wire semen available?
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The Big Show / I-80
« Last post by Wildmustang777 on October 18, 2019, 12:42:37 PM »
Hey!! Just wondering.... has anyone ever bred I-80 to an American      heifer?? Looking to breed him to mine  :)
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The Big Show / Re: Hot Commodity & Evolution
« Last post by -XBAR- on October 18, 2019, 11:14:16 AM »
Thanks for the picture.   If I had seen both pictures without identification,  I would not have suspected that they were the same bull.    It is a sad comment that Hot Commodity has 1528 registered calves,   889 had birth weights,  277 had weaning weights and only 98 with yearling weights.   There is a lot of chatter on here about how Shorthorn Association doesn't do enough for the breeders.   Well,   those who live in glass  houses shouldn't cast stones!    The Association can't be faulted when breeders won't do the basics for themselves!

Zero value in submitting data UNLESS you have calves sired by high accuracy reference sires WITHIN THE SAME CONTEMPORARY GROUP.  Without relevant sample sizes, much of what the ASA is trying to accomplish with EPDs is useless.  Even look at sire test.   Theyre doing as much bad as they are good by having contemporary groups with such minimal sample sizes and references.  They need to limit the number of bulls to about 5 so that enough calves can be born from each to produce relevant sample sizes.  Using 1 offspring within a contemporary group as a reference will result in misleading results every time.  Reality is few breeders have the ability to produce relevant sample sizes.

Additionally, Im not sure measuring terminal metrics has any benefit to those breeding shorthorns who most purposefully serve as a component of the momma cow, not the terminal sire. 

I saw HC in 2012 or so.   I dont remember him looking too much like that mature pic posted above.  I thought he more similar design wise to JPJ- but better structured.  Havent seen many offspring but the ones I have appeared to have enough capacity be to be useful.  Frequently this is the common fault with the showier lines- theyre gutless and super flat sided. You can see Evolution take on more of this form.  Id pay somebody to AI my cows to HC I wouldnt use Evo if it were free. There is no possible upside great enough to offset the birthweight risk inherent in the genetics seen on the bottom side of his pedigree.   A HC son that is solid that doc mentioned is Hotwire.  The calves Ive seen from JsF and Waukaru were all nice with that extra touch of middle SHs (as a breed) so desperately need.

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