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The Big Show / Re: fleckvieh fullblood semen
« Last post by Lucky_P on January 28, 2020, 09:24:16 PM »
"maybe these old bulls have no merit, even on traits we can't see or measure yet, maybe they do"

they do. 
We used a full sib to ABR Sir Arnold G809 (G809 semen was no longer on the market) and a couple of G809 sons, back in the 1980s, and more or less linebred, in-herd, to him for years. 
He was a 5-trait leader (CE, BW, YW, WW, CEM - if I recall correctly), and those Fleckvieh-influenced SimAngus cows were GOOD!  Had several that were closely linebred PollFleck 809 X Alpine Polled Proto that lasted to 18 years of age, and were pretty moderate frame for cows born in 1990.

I'd use G809 again, in a heartbeat, over Angus or SimAngus cows.  We did use a fullblood Fleckvieh sire that traced back to G809, top and bottom of his pedigree, over select 3/4AN-1/4SM cows the last two years.
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The Big Show / Re: fleckvieh fullblood semen
« Last post by knabe on January 28, 2020, 06:34:43 PM »
maybe these old bulls have no merit, even on traits we can't see or measure yet, maybe they do.
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The Big Show / Re: fleckvieh fullblood semen
« Last post by knabe on January 28, 2020, 06:33:34 PM »
breeding a heifer bull endlessly creates the same problem, just at a different weight.
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The Big Show / Re: fleckvieh fullblood semen
« Last post by -XBAR- on January 28, 2020, 03:09:52 PM »
Ive got little to no use for a bull that cant be safely bred to all classes of cattle.  Not a heifer bull, not a terminal sire, but a HERD BULL.

If you cant safely breed a heifer back to a bull similar to her own sire, then theres a problem. 
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The Big Show / Re: fleckvieh fullblood semen
« Last post by cbcr on January 28, 2020, 12:46:52 PM »
Pretty much a given for old continentals.

Now its the opposite.

Overuse of heifer bulls and wondering why there are so many dinks.

HOW TRUE!  And this affects all breeds.
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The Big Show / Re: Best HIA son of 2020 display bulls
« Last post by doc-sun on January 28, 2020, 11:24:46 AM »
From the pics, it seems everyone had one.  Was wondering everyone's thoughts on what was out in Denver.  You can PM if you dont want to post.  Just seeing which 1 that looked to be the type and kind winning right now.
Thanks
i saw them all. they were all the same. fitted to a t. Too small framed and testicles with lots of hair so you couldn't really tell how smooth or thick they were and also how much of the bone was leg hair. wouldn't buy any semen unless i could get my hands on them or see them wet and walk. might have a chance of get 2 fair steers out of 40 good cows and might hit a great one occasionally if lucky.
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The Big Show / Steer wont eat grain
« Last post by Rodgersranch on January 28, 2020, 11:17:26 AM »
Have a crossbred steer weighing 650, lucky to get him to eat 6 lbs of grain a day. He has been wormed. Is also on Sure Champ and Vita Ferm stress tub. Have limited hay, skipped a feeding, put another calf with him, put oil on feed. Any advice is appreciated!
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The Big Show / Re: Minn Hybrid bull?
« Last post by wypeterson22 on January 28, 2020, 10:01:13 AM »
I am also curious about this bull!
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The Big Show / Re: fleckvieh fullblood semen
« Last post by knabe on January 28, 2020, 09:40:21 AM »
Pretty much a given for old continentals.

Now its the opposite.

Overuse of heifer bulls and wondering why there are so many dinks.
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The Big Show / Re: fleckvieh fullblood semen
« Last post by -XBAR- on January 27, 2020, 10:07:02 PM »
You gotta get a kick out of a sale note begging potential buyers to please not use him on heifers 
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