$600,000 world record Hereford

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Duncraggan said:

Credibility at the doll house convention? Or credibility in the beef industry? Guess what?....They're not the same.    I've never once questioned the man's character so for you to throw that into question was out of context.  I want to see several generations of HIS breeding before I coin the term 'his genetics.'

It'll be awhile before mine arises as it will take years to establish MY genetics. I'm certain I could promote and sell OTHERS genetics almost immediately...but that is really of no interest to me. 

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The good test of a man's stockman skills are in his generations of pedigree of his animals.

If you pick up a five generation pedigree and at least the last three to four generations on the maternal side are of his own breeding, then you have a good idea of his ability!

IMO this boils down to the difference between 'show' cattle and 'commercially acceptable' cattle, and that is predictability!

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Completely agree.  Check out the pedigree on this bull owned by PRC on here that I'm using: YY Cartwright - *4162296.  I have some great calves out of him this year. Total BS the assoc won't remove the asterisk.
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There's not a full pedigree to check out. Only the top side. The bottom side is just a bunch of numbers. They don't tell me anything.
It's not BS. It's the rules. They didn't register the calves, so no way for the Assoc. to trace parentage. You keep using the progeny and the asterisk will eventually come off.

Just a bunch of numbers??  So because DRC identifies their animals w / a number instead of a formal name their cattle are any less pure? You gotta be kidding me!?!?  IF YOU'LL NOTICE, NEITHER BONANZA OR CARTWRIGHT'S DAM CARRY THE ASTERISK BUT CARTWRIGHT DOES.  THIS IS FRAUDULENT AT BEST!!!!  An asterick indicates the animal has been bred up from grade animals.  THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE!!

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Just a bunch of numbers??  So because DRC identifies their animals w / a number instead of a formal name their cattle are any less pure? You gotta be kidding me!?!?  IF YOU'LL NOTICE, NEITHER BONANZA OR CARTWRIGHT'S DAM CARRY THE ASTERISK BUT CARTWRIGHT DOES.  THIS IS FRAUDULENT AT BEST!!!!  An asterick indicates the animal has been bred up from grade animals.  THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE!!

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Yea, I don't know why she doesn't have an asterisk? She has grade animals in her background. There isn't anything fraudulent about , probably just a typo. I wouldn't use him because of the headaches for me just trying to keep up with the numbers and not as marketable to the average person. But to each their own.

YoungGunCattle said:

Rumor has it that John Sullivan is putting together an all breeds sale. He has been buying up heifers of various breeds off of various sales. He must have something up his sleeve because that bull is good but i dont really think he is 600,000 dollars worth of good.

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it's not that he's worth 600k, it's that his heifers "will" be worth more as they cull heavily from the round-up and their offspring.

if i was doing it i would pick 3 different groups of phenotypically similar heifers, say 25-50 in a group, breed them all to the bull, sift and sell, sell, sell. i would take the culls to the feedlot and see what i get and build some numbers and sift what really sucked.

it's what he's done over and over and over.

he better have a semen test on the bull.

It wouldn't hurt to have a th and pha test also.....just my opinion.

Doc said:

-XBAR- said:

Just a bunch of numbers??  So because DRC identifies their animals w / a number instead of a formal name their cattle are any less pure? You gotta be kidding me!?!?  IF YOU'LL NOTICE, NEITHER BONANZA OR CARTWRIGHT'S DAM CARRY THE ASTERISK BUT CARTWRIGHT DOES.  THIS IS FRAUDULENT AT BEST!!!!  An asterick indicates the animal has been bred up from grade animals.  THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE!!

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Yea, I don't know why she doesn't have an asterisk? She has grade animals in her background. There isn't anything fraudulent about , probably just a typo. I wouldn't use him because of the headaches for me just trying to keep up with the numbers and not as marketable to the average person. But to each their own.

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There's not 1 animal in Cartwright's pedigree that has an asterick besides him.  There is no logical explanation...besides politics.  The fact that you'd spout off about not using him just speaks volumes about your program.  On paper, he's as good as any in the breed.  I mean I realize he's not the framey gutless wonder the III was but come on...

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Doc said:

-XBAR- said:

Just a bunch of numbers??  So because DRC identifies their animals w / a number instead of a formal name their cattle are any less pure? You gotta be kidding me!?!?  IF YOU'LL NOTICE, NEITHER BONANZA OR CARTWRIGHT'S DAM CARRY THE ASTERISK BUT CARTWRIGHT DOES.  THIS IS FRAUDULENT AT BEST!!!!  An asterick indicates the animal has been bred up from grade animals.  THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE!!

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Yea, I don't know why she doesn't have an asterisk? She has grade animals in her background. There isn't anything fraudulent about , probably just a typo. I wouldn't use him because of the headaches for me just trying to keep up with the numbers and not as marketable to the average person. But to each their own.

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There's not 1 animal in Cartwright's pedigree that has an asterick besides him.  There is no logical explanation...besides politics.  The fact that you'd spout off about not using him just speaks volumes about your program.  On paper, he's as good as any in the breed.  I mean I realize he's not the framey gutless wonder the III was but come on...

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XBar does his maternal grandsire not have an asterick and go back to cattle that are listed as 0/32 percentage shorthorn.  That is what I see when I look at the pedigree.

You're right. His maternal grandsire has an asterick......he shouldn't though....bc neither of the maternal grandsire's parents do?? How can his maternal grandsire carry an asterick but his dam not?? And then neither of Cartwrights parents do, but he does??

If my memory serves me and I believe it does, the Sullivan family had a heck of a set of Limousin cattle before the Shorthorn deal.  Some of you guys make it sound like this operation is a fly by the seat of your pants type of deal.  Clearly, they've been successful in every endeavor they've set out to do.  That's not by accident guys.  I have no doubt they will be a force to be reckoned with in the Hereford breed if they so desire.  They absolutely, positively know their cattle AND they know how to do business.  Sometimes our jealousy clouds our vision.

Given the amount of conversation generated here, jealousy is rife. Back to the topic at hand, has anyone seen this bull in the flesh?

Yes, I saw in in Denver when he was part of their pen.

He was very impressive.I personally think he could have contended for it all on the hill. I had heard different reasons why they didn't tho. Him and his flush mates were all standouts in my eyes. Miles McKee and stockman ( reno champion, division champ in denver) are very similar but I like miles better.

It will be curious to see how semen sales ( if any) are set up and handled.

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Given the amount of conversation generated here, jealousy is rife. Back to the topic at hand, has anyone seen this bull in the flesh?

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Better still, does anyone have pictures!

On colyers website there are some. Www.hereford.com

I also noticed that his sires semen sales have been stopped as of March first.  Seems like a pretty good marketing idea.

Wouldn't the 1/2 interest for 301k in the 80's technically still be the highest paid, as that would value him at 602k?  And i doubt that number was adjusted for inflation as well.  I see the claim as true from an absolute dollars paid standpoint but as far as value, wouldn't it be the bull from the 80's?  Not trying to start anything, just straightening things out in my head.

Here's the photo of C Miles McKee, plus his sire and dam. They are saying the $600k price tag is a three-quarter share.

Thanks for the pictures.

Great looking cattle!  Horned as well!

Maybe this is the start of an upswing for Herefords again, should be interesting.

All 3 are too tight in the heart.

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All 3 are too tight in the heart.

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yup

-XBAR- said:

All 3 are too tight in the heart.

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Herefords biggest flaw!!!