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Title: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: oakview on April 25, 2019, 01:45:47 PM
I'm surprised I haven't seen any comments on SAV America, the Angus bull that set a new record with a 1,107 pound 205 day weaning weight.  85 lb. birth weight to 1,107 at 205 days is quite impressive.  I would imagine he weaned at over 1/2 his dam's weight!
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: Medium Rare on April 25, 2019, 02:41:48 PM
Is he producing semen yet? I know the waiting list was quite large after the sale.
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: -XBAR- on April 25, 2019, 05:24:16 PM
Is this an adjusted weight?

The 50% isnít quite as impressive when theyíve been on full feed since birth.

Real good chance that 1107 still isnít 50% either.
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: Doc on April 25, 2019, 05:56:36 PM
Is this an adjusted weight?

The 50% isnít quite as impressive when theyíve been on full feed since birth.

Real good chance that 1107 still isnít 50% either.

Yes it's adjusted. I had someone tell me how they figured those ww's there and it was as about as hokey as I've ever heard.
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: mark tenenbaum on April 25, 2019, 07:43:38 PM
Thats crazy even on full feed-what does he look like? O0
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: Gargan on April 25, 2019, 07:54:31 PM
Is he producing semen yet? I know the waiting list was quite large after the sale.
Rumor has it hes shooting blanks still... hopefully they get him producing, not that the 80% owner is worried about going bankrupt if he doesn't  (lol)
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: cowboy_nyk on April 26, 2019, 08:11:49 AM
As with any SAV bull you gotta let the smoke clear, let some early adopters use them and see which ones are actually useful.  SAV America himself isn't real big framed but as you can imagine was extremely fat. If I'm not mistaken SAV sell all their bulls untested so that's a risk the buyers take I guess. Although I understand the buyers insure them for fertility so Herbster won't be out much if he never passes. I've never been a Charlo fan so I don't have much interest in SAV President or SAV America unless they prove me wrong down the road.
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: aj on April 26, 2019, 08:30:45 AM
As I understand it the calves are on silage all their life. The calves are given extra colostrum as calves. They are given every advantage to excel in weight growth. They don't seem to own the Angus breed. They may be decent cattle. I can't see that they are different than any other Angus. Look at semen sales and such. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: knabe on April 26, 2019, 08:39:14 AM
should have been a steer and the data would have been more useful.


then, clone him and or others, before slaughter and don't feed him to the point of sterility.
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: CRS on April 26, 2019, 08:05:08 PM
I just wonder what the inputs were to get one that big that fast, they can only convert so much.  Guessing it was a little more than 2 to 3 % of his bodyweight. 
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: knabe on April 26, 2019, 08:19:32 PM
I think heís part plant. Has a photosynthesis gene.
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: mark tenenbaum on April 27, 2019, 06:23:08 AM
I think heís part plant. Has a photosynthesis gene.//// KFC for cattle O0
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: aj on April 27, 2019, 10:17:21 AM
I wonder if they have problems with fertility if they don't gaurentee em.
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: shortybreeder on April 27, 2019, 10:44:55 AM
I wonder if they have problems with fertility if they don't gaurentee em.
They're guaranteed to be fertile, it's on page 3 of the sale book.
If they sell untested then that is a risk SAV takes on, not the buyer.
Title: Re: 1107 lb. weaning weight
Post by: justintime on May 06, 2019, 08:06:56 AM
With their sale being so early in the year, I think that is one of the reasons they do not semen test their bulls prior to the sale. I am seeing this in several other early sales now, especially if it has been a cold winter along with an early sale. A semen test is only a snapshot of the semen quality in a moment of time. I have seen bulls go from not passing their breeding soundness exam to passing it easily in one week. This year, I had a March born bull who was deferred for proximal droplets, which are basically immature semen. The bull was 11 months old and it was brutally cold when we tested in February. This bull was tested again 3 weeks later and he scored 92%, but it had warmed up by then and the bull was 3 weeks older.
A few years ago, I happened to arrive at Hawkeye Breeders, in Iowa on the same day as several SAV bulls arrived for collection after their sale. One of the guys at Hawkeye told me that lots of the SAV bulls they get, take a few months to start to produce freezable semen. He also said that every SAV bull that arrives gets a special mineral bolus and this has seemed to help get them to freeze sooner.( this has something to do with the water quality at SAV if I remember correctly). SAV are not alone if this is the case, as I have heard this happening with bulls from several other leading breeders. In any event, and no matter how they collect their data at SAV, one has to marvel at their breeding and marketing abilities and how they have produced some genetics that have become leaders in the Angus breed. I would not doubt that you can find SAV genetics in almost every country in the world that has Angus cattle. And this just wouldn't be happening if the cattle they produce did not offer something that works.