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Title: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: shortybreeder on January 09, 2020, 09:10:02 AM
Trucks are on their way to Denver.. who are the hot bulls everyone is excited to check out this year? Any breeds/club calf, hill or yards.

Also post candid photos when you've got them  ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: hclubcalves on January 09, 2020, 05:43:56 PM
 Wade's bulls look like heaters this year.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Gargan on January 09, 2020, 08:56:33 PM
I'd like to hear someone's opinion of Griswolds Relentless son and their here I am son.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Woody on January 10, 2020, 09:02:40 AM
Iím with you Gargan  (pop)
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Tallcool1 on January 10, 2020, 11:49:44 AM
Wade's bulls look like heaters this year.

Where can I find Wade's bulls that he is taking?  Website doesn't show anything.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Gargan on January 10, 2020, 11:53:45 AM
May need to click on image to zoom in
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: WinterSpringsFarm on January 10, 2020, 06:43:37 PM
I'd like to hear someone's opinion of Griswolds Relentless son and their here I am son.

I would also like to hear about the relentless son.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Shorthorn-Fed on January 10, 2020, 09:14:01 PM
From the looks of Facebook , Waukaru has some good ones going on my opinion.

Russ
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 11, 2020, 08:00:37 AM
Those two on the bottom are btdb- BAD TOO DA BONE-HOLE DA FONE ETC O0
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: shortybreeder on January 12, 2020, 11:46:29 AM
From the looks of Facebook , Waukaru has some good ones going on my opinion.

Russ
I agree--the Stockman grandson, Rawhide 9001, really caught my eye.

I'm not sure which bulls JSF is taking down, but I found a couple bulls in their sale catalog that I'm hoping will be there. I'm also curious if Leveldale is going. I'd like to see what they put together this year since I never saw anything about a fall production sale, but they do have a bull sale on the Shorthorn Country schedule.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: -XBAR- on January 12, 2020, 11:41:50 PM
There might be one or two there that go back to red reward  (lol)

Jokes aside I did see (1) calf in the JsF catalog that did
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: -XBAR- on January 12, 2020, 11:44:00 PM
This calf here looks phenomenal
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: shortybreeder on January 13, 2020, 11:53:39 AM
This calf here looks phenomenal
I like how it says "everyone" will get a chance to use him.. think maybe they're going to list him with an AI company like Select or Cattle Visions instead of limiting availability to 10 or 20 units at each sale?? That would be a nice change of pace in the breed.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 13, 2020, 12:30:05 PM
Too bad the cool Shorthorn display bulls are gone with the wind-they used to hold their own with everybody O0
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Carlson Cattle on January 13, 2020, 01:01:36 PM
For clubbies it looks like Wade has knocked it out of the park again this year, but yes also very interested in the Relentless son from Griswolds.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 13, 2020, 01:29:51 PM
There might be one or two there that go back to red reward  (lol)

Jokes aside I did see (1) calf in the JsF catalog that did//// Maybe thats because they bred Red Demand and registered 150 or so head to him after he went to sullivans-+- As far as registrations there are around 470 Red Demands registered and a slew of steers etc that Jay Benhm fed but didnt register-There are close to 600 Red Rewards registered and surely a bunch more that ended up on the back road near Sullivans at thier feedlot-Thats over 1000 registrations. Nobody can sell Shorthorn bulls in the volumes of the big Western Angus etc breeders-They sell more bulls in a couple sales than Shorthorns do in the entire breed for several years O0
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: -XBAR- on January 13, 2020, 02:19:42 PM
Over 1000 registrations from direct offspring then the line essentially died out as evident by there being nearly none who show him as the maternal grand sire.   Like I said in the other post, you have Leveldale boardwalk and thatís it.   Out of those 150 you mention, little to none were retained as breeding pieces to build upon for the next generation -making my case and point.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 13, 2020, 04:46:24 PM
Grand daughters etc of Red Reward? Surely you jest-I dont have time to go through that many registrations Ditto to see where the Red Demand and Red Advantage  Jungels cattle  went I would say a number of them got sold somewhere :especially with the number of commercial buyers who dont give a dam about papers Next time I see Jungels I"ll try and remember to ask The Rewards are all over and there are alot of the females that have produced numerous calves that were registered Jay Benham had way more cattle out of Red Demand than Jungels and until recently was still using him although hes getting old as a walking bull-Sullivan had some too-Ive been to Benhams several times and saw as many as 25 daughters from one calf crop-about 6 years ago he sold some for several years at Ohio and kept some for cows-which he bred to private Malone and sold daughters and bulls -Some at Ohio a good many privately-to kids and commercial breeders-Who in many cases dont register anything. Of course the cattle evolved into a more attractive show package-like Rewards over Demands which were prettier and darker red,Sull payday-a kind of combo of both-and or a number of Reward sons that are doing a fairly good job even though you can also show them  SO- lets see your case over the last 14 or so YEARS for ONE line of U S  basic performance bulls (EZ CALVERS THAT GROW AND DONT LOOK LIKE SKINNY MILKERS) that are still contributing calves in 2019-20 that can SHOW and work as cows-How many Eagle 666s (the devil made me do it ) are still out there competing with Major Leroy RE BWS? O0
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Medium Rare on January 13, 2020, 08:28:55 PM
Are there any new 1/2 blood shorthorn clubby bulls out there?

Looking for a very clean front, decent spine length, and a touch of frame to go with all the other good stuff.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Gargan on January 14, 2020, 10:13:57 AM
Are there any new 1/2 blood shorthorn clubby bulls out there?

Looking for a very clean front, decent spine length, and a touch of frame to go with all the other good stuff.
To add frame and spine I'd go back a little to Tabasco.  There are a few newer ones like orange sherbet and redneck and dabo but I would think theyd downsize
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: CRS on January 14, 2020, 11:16:55 AM
We used Revolution and they were pretty nice and dual registerable. Shorthorn and Chi, cleaned up front end kept belly and spine length without compromising thickness.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 14, 2020, 07:45:15 PM
There are several-AF Blue Moon is one at J3 Cattle-Hes an I 80 out of Aldens Mirage-Got good maternal but hes plenty stout-THE FREAK ON A LEASH IS MINDBENDER Just make sure you have a very correct sound female-He is a Starburst on a MeyerxFull Throttle-Changes them more than anything ive seen since the good old days Man On A Mission is a real nice solid red deal who you might like too-Although use has been limited-The calves have been very good-I have semen on Sull Blue as well VegasxStockman-full sib to the big time dark blue female winners of Sullivan-certainly some of the premier plusses Pictures- The two heifers are mindbenders from NON OTHER than THE VA STATE FAIR LAST FALL-Shorthorns are basically non existant in VA-not so in MD PA or West VA Blue moon is third O0
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Jacob B on January 15, 2020, 01:06:58 PM
Any chance we could get back to the original post?  Would love to hear from anyone out there in mile high. thoughts opinions etc.  Ive read the bickering before about what we all should be doing according to xbar, not as interested in that. 
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: -XBAR- on January 15, 2020, 03:13:37 PM
Any chance we could get back to the original post?  Would love to hear from anyone out there in mile high. thoughts opinions etc.  Ive read the bickering before about what we all should be doing according to xbar, not as interested in that. 

Maybe you suffer from some of that derangement syndrome they talk about Trump opposers having-but I havenít made any comments here regarding what you or anyone else here should be doing

On a sidenote- perhaps if you did listen a little more you might not continually experience such **** luck with **** cattle
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: hclubcalves on January 15, 2020, 04:12:54 PM
 Why is that XBAR character allowed to remain on this site?
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: sackshowcattle on January 15, 2020, 04:26:26 PM
Display bulls won't be displayed until this weekend so will probably have more info then. Don't know if they start Thursday or Friday.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: -XBAR- on January 15, 2020, 06:51:56 PM
Why is that XBAR character allowed to remain on this site?

Simple.  I walk the walk.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: aj on January 15, 2020, 07:02:18 PM
It always seemed like to me that the display club calf bulls out there...Ö.well 90% of them are duds. They aren't subject to drug tests. They are fed and manufactured to with in inches of their life. They are all dead at the age of three. I don't know Ö..just my perception I guess.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: doc-sun on January 15, 2020, 08:35:24 PM
Why is that XBAR character allowed to remain on this site?

Simple.  I walk the walk.
Because Xbar is a Xpert. Just ask him😆
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: -XBAR- on January 15, 2020, 09:06:03 PM
Why is that XBAR character allowed to remain on this site?

Simple.  I walk the walk.
Because Xbar is a Xpert. Just ask him😆

O doc donít be sour- Iím sure thereís something youíre good at too, surely?

Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: hclubcalves on January 15, 2020, 09:08:07 PM
Why is that XBAR character allowed to remain on this site?

Simple.  I walk the walk.

What walk is that?
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Gargan on January 16, 2020, 04:13:35 PM
I would like a report on Blaine Rodgers and Guyers " Chosen 1" bull too if anyone sees him
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: hclubcalves on January 16, 2020, 05:07:30 PM
 Chosen 1, and c.o.d look like the real deal on the steer side. I am also interested in Phil Lautner's bull Smooth Whiskey.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Cattle Cards on January 16, 2020, 09:29:10 PM
Anyone go by the American Chianina Association booth in the Yards?

CARD Linebacker 56C 2CA - "He is powerful and massive while still able to get out and fill his track with a big foot." - Dustin Hurlbut

Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: oakview on January 17, 2020, 08:54:48 AM
Sure bears a strong resemblance to his relatives Ildeno and Friggio, doesn't he?  What % actual Chi is he?  All kidding aside, he does remind me of some of the popular Angus bulls of the 80's.  I can't think of a breed that has altered their original state more than Chis.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Cattle Cards on January 17, 2020, 02:24:47 PM
Sure bears a strong resemblance to his relatives Ildeno and Friggio, doesn't he?  What % actual Chi is he?  All kidding aside, he does remind me of some of the popular Angus bulls of the 80's.  I can't think of a breed that has altered their original state more than Chis.

If you had enlarged the picture, you would see that he's 16.63% Chianina and the rest, Angus.  Those promotional bulls at Denver are little to no Chi, or anything else for that matter.  They're mutts.  I've bred Heat Wave, Believe In Me, Hi Ho Silver & other clubby (some of them popular Denver promotional bulls) sired heifers to add size, power, clean them up and make them sound (and increase the % of Chianina)...just saying.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Jacob B on January 19, 2020, 07:15:24 AM
Thoughts on No Pain No Gain?
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: shortybreeder on January 19, 2020, 09:42:52 AM
I would like a report on Blaine Rodgers and Guyers " Chosen 1" bull too if anyone sees him

I am far from an expert on the clubby deal, but for what it's worth Chosen 1 was the only little black clubby bull who stood out to me. I also liked Follow Me, until I got to his feet. The pasterns looked a bit soft so I started to look closer and then the guy standing there jumped up and kicked shavings over the bull's feet. He seemed like his pasterns were just resting on the chips with his hooves being slightly deeper into the chips. That was just my impression though.

JSF Times Square was pretty easy to find, and JSF Nat Love really caught my eye during the pen show. Homedale had an OFS Red Cowboy x Sask. Outlaw who was really well made and looked pretty cool. Leveldale had a few nice looking bulls with Rolling Stone being a bit of a standout.
Waukaru Rawhide was pretty cool and their 9078 (STARR Red RX son) was a chunk from a distance, but I didn't look too closely.
Paint Valley had a pretty cool Byland Soggy Dog son that is a 3/4 brother to PVF Finding Favor.
The Pearl Valley Shorthorns pen of 3 were great from top to bottom, but the Outlaw daughter was the favorite of a lot of people. Personally I'm a bit partial to the All Seven's/Ripper daughter though. I'm looking forward to seeing how the Pick goes tonight for them.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: kiblercattle on January 19, 2020, 08:02:26 PM
Anyone see the angus bull Hf Alcatraz? If so what were your thoughts?
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: jconner2088 on January 20, 2020, 10:37:20 AM
Any pictures?
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: knabe on January 20, 2020, 12:12:55 PM
This calf here looks phenomenal


agree.  tiny head, big belly
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: -XBAR- on January 20, 2020, 01:37:38 PM
This calf here looks phenomenal


agree.  tiny head, big belly

Traits I definitely value.   Head small enough to make it out on its own.  Belly big enough to consume enough low quality forage to not starve to death in the pasture.   Looks incredibly long from hook to pin as well. A really well balanced bull overall.  I watched the pen show from the house via live auctions tv and even as shitty as the picture quality was, the prominence of Times Square relative to his peers was clear.    I image just the possession side will cost a fella prolly 20 grand. Maybe more.

One thing for sure.   Saskvalley Tradition is a bull thatís gotta be used more.  Thermal Energy, Wallstreet, and now this bull- Times Square.   

In fact, if every SH cow in the country were bred to a Saskvalley bull, the overall quality of the breed triple overnight.   
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: knabe on January 20, 2020, 02:44:17 PM
In fact, if every SH cow in the country were bred to a Saskvalley bull, the overall quality of the breed triple overnight.


i've thought that for a very long time.  probably can't emphasize that enough.

http://muridale.com/tradition.html (http://muridale.com/tradition.html)

really liked bonanza and buster and major leroy and the diamond sparkle cow back in the day.

i can't remember which bull you had a bw problem with. but then you want more moderate cattle than all 3 of those can make.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: knabe on January 20, 2020, 02:47:41 PM
3 units of buster sold last year at their sale (homozygous polled)
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Medium Rare on January 20, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
Traits I definitely value.   Head small enough to make it out on its own.  Belly big enough to consume enough low quality forage to not starve to death in the pasture.   Looks incredibly long from hook to pin as well. A really well balanced bull overall.  I watched the pen show from the house via live auctions tv and even as shitty as the picture quality was, the prominence of Times Square relative to his peers was clear.    I image just the possession side will cost a fella prolly 20 grand. Maybe more.

One thing for sure.   Saskvalley Tradition is a bull thatís gotta be used more.  Thermal Energy, Wallstreet, and now this bull- Times Square.   

In fact, if every SH cow in the country were bred to a Saskvalley bull, the overall quality of the breed triple overnight.

I noticed him as a stand out on the video as well and would like to try him on a few in the future, so I hope it's made available.

Totally different pedigree, but I think the bull you bought semen on in last night's sale is fairly underrated.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: knabe on January 20, 2020, 04:35:46 PM
Looks incredibly long from hook to pin as well.


i don't think it's that.


i think it looks long because he's proportional, 1/3, 1/3, 1/3.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: -XBAR- on January 20, 2020, 05:18:28 PM
Looks incredibly long from hook to pin as well.



i don't think it's that.


i think it looks long because he's proportional, 1/3, 1/3, 1/3.

Iíd agree with that for sure.  Heís a proportionally lengthy bull.  Appeared to be a good big longer than the other two bulls in pen of 3.

In fact, if every SH cow in the country were bred to a Saskvalley bull, the overall quality of the breed triple overnight.


i've thought that for a very long time.  probably can't emphasize that enough.

[url]http://muridale.com/tradition.html[/url] ([url]http://muridale.com/tradition.html[/url])

really liked bonanza and buster and major leroy and the diamond sparkle cow back in the day.

i can't remember which bull you had a bw problem with. but then you want more moderate cattle than all 3 of those can make.


Bonanza and Buster are functional beef cattle.  The other two you mention are much different type cattle. Iíve used a Bonanza son (yy Cartwright: great daughters still have 5) a buster son from Oregon that if he wouldnít have broke his pecker would have got a lot more use and then Leroy son that was junk. Major Leroy said to be almost 2800lbs and has reports of 130 plus lb calves all over the globe.  The sparkle cow was over a ton and as open shouldered as you could make one.  This design along with the bw is just a nightmare combination.

I think the best cattle are all products of Saskvalley Ultra 12J, Bonanzas sire.  Traditions dam is a 12j daughter. Saskvalley Alamo bull that hung the moon for me that Ive since sold to Brock Eagon in Ohio was a linebred 12j out of a 12j daughter. Canadian CLRC used to show 12js influence in Alamo was over 30%.  SaskvalleyEditor bull I bought last year is a Banjo son. Banjos a 12j son and his dam goes to buster 14k. Saskvalley Stampede is 12j son.  Saskvalley Primo, sire of Cabrera, is a 12j son.  And Iím sure Iím missing many.  Look at the big sky bull JSF has been using, another bonanza son. Also at JsF, Bar N Ripper, whoís sired by Remedy, another bonanza son. These are 5 frame cattle that do what cattlemen expect.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: -XBAR- on January 20, 2020, 06:00:30 PM
Traits I definitely value.   Head small enough to make it out on its own.  Belly big enough to consume enough low quality forage to not starve to death in the pasture.   Looks incredibly long from hook to pin as well. A really well balanced bull overall.  I watched the pen show from the house via live auctions tv and even as shitty as the picture quality was, the prominence of Times Square relative to his peers was clear.    I image just the possession side will cost a fella prolly 20 grand. Maybe more.

One thing for sure.   Saskvalley Tradition is a bull thatís gotta be used more.  Thermal Energy, Wallstreet, and now this bull- Times Square.   

In fact, if every SH cow in the country were bred to a Saskvalley bull, the overall quality of the breed triple overnight.

I noticed him as a stand out on the video as well and would like to try him on a few in the future, so I hope it's made available.

Totally different pedigree, but I think the bull you bought semen on in last night's sale is fairly underrated.

Iíve always like Reincarnation. And most all the jazz sons really.   Plan to use those straws on my Roan Ranger replacement heifers. 

https://shorthorn.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=4220114
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 20, 2020, 08:20:35 PM
My fave rave Canadian bulls are Buster 14K -complete outcross from what I can see-And Huberdale Mastercharge-I like the looks of JITS NEW bull he just has out-See how his calves come and if hes even available O0
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Okotoks on January 21, 2020, 11:38:36 AM
My fave rave Canadian bulls are Buster 14K -complete outcross from what I can see-And Huberdale Mastercharge-I like the looks of JITS NEW bull he just has out-See how his calves come and if hes even available O0
Huberdale Mastercharge was one of my favourite bulls back in the day. He was a senior herdsire at Saskvalley and shows up in the background of many of their cattle. He is in Saskvalley Ultra 12J's pedigree top and bottom. Saskvalley has done a great job of selecting cattle to suit a very rugged environment and the cattle they produce are sound and functional.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: E6 Durhams on January 23, 2020, 07:28:19 AM
Alamo has done great here. A few pics of calves just weaned. Pics were taken the day the were taken off the cow.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 23, 2020, 08:54:52 AM
2 calves O0
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: Okotoks on January 23, 2020, 11:15:54 AM
Alamo has done great here. A few pics of calves just weaned. Pics were taken the day the were taken off the cow.
That roan calf is impressive, should make someone a hell of a good bull! (clapping)
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: -XBAR- on January 23, 2020, 03:32:49 PM
Alamo sons averaged just shy of 10k in The Whoís your daddy sale.  I donít know that thereís ever been a sire represented in that sale whoís sons have average more.
Title: Re: 2020 Denver Bulls
Post by: E6 Durhams on January 24, 2020, 09:22:21 AM
Alamo has done great here. A few pics of calves just weaned. Pics were taken the day the were taken off the cow.
That roan calf is impressive, should make someone a hell of a good bull! (clapping)

Thank you. I sure hope so. Plan is to sell him at Ohio Beef Expo. Getting paperwork done today