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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2019, 01:13:46 PM »
A Red Bull that I always liked was boxer. But I dont know if he sired very many class winners. Maybe somebody could chime in on that?

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2019, 02:46:41 PM »
To the person that "Karmad" me that Solution and hc aren't red, I read AJ's thread title as saying pretty much all red bull that sired show winners.  If Solution isn't pretty much red, I must be thinking of a different one than you.  Who is hc?

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2019, 02:53:16 PM »
Charisma has sired lots of Shorthorn winners up to National levels, as well as Shorthorn Plus and Maintainers.

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2019, 03:47:21 PM »
I wasn't sure what the technical definition of red is. Seems like we ran through this once before. Would a red Shorthorn bull be homo red if he sired only solid red calves. My personal goal is to develop cattle that are solid red.
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2019, 05:43:05 PM »
I wasn't sure what the technical definition of red is. Seems like we ran through this once before. Would a red Shorthorn bull be homo red if he sired only solid red calves. My personal goal is to develop cattle that are solid red.
A red shorthorn bull is homo red if he's solid red. That's about the simplest genetic pattern in cattle breeding.

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2019, 08:08:14 AM »
I was just pondering........if I did AI cows again what bull would I use. I would like a red bull with a bwt 90 or less, easy keeping moderate framed that sired just enough style for shorthorn plus classes. The one bull I have Sodhouse Stylist is really throwing some neat cattle and I wanted to build on that. I wondered about that Bretz bull.......maybe called Red Cloud or sired by Red Cloud but I'm not sure about the pattern of his calves.
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2019, 09:20:40 AM »
 Youre going to have to play with fire to get the results youre looking for there.  A conundrum for us all.
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2019, 09:26:43 AM »
I wasn't sure what the technical definition of red is. Seems like we ran through this once before. Would a red Shorthorn bull be homo red if he sired only solid red calves. My personal goal is to develop cattle that are solid red.

Even those that are rwm are homozygous red.   

Just like Herefords, they have two red alleles (bb)
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2019, 12:51:05 PM »
Red Cloud 7060
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2019, 12:53:01 PM »
Byland Mission?
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2019, 03:28:22 PM »
I don't know as if Mission has sired many show winners. 

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2019, 05:20:13 PM »
I'm sure that's the case. Bolze told me that he liked the type of 7060 and Byland Mission. They had a look. In order to win the big time plus shows......they have to be black and they are th carriers 90% of time. i don't want to go there.
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2019, 05:33:24 PM »
I hate to tell you this, but you and I are never going to win big time shows, + or otherwise.  I don't care if we use a pink and blue bull.  Mission seemed to do a good job for Don, might be a little big for some operations.  We're both old enough to do what we want and who cares?

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2019, 06:10:42 PM »
Good point.
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2019, 07:50:59 PM »
How about Kane Captain AJ?

He's available to all, affordable, Red, and has put a few class winners out there in limited use on big time show lines. Pedigree is not high bw or the typical main stream Trump line breeding.

 

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