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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2019, 08:35:48 AM »
Duke of Dublin crossed my mind also. But I can't remember his defect status. He was probably horned......which may not be all that bad.
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2019, 07:50:29 PM »
Duke of Dublin crossed my mind also. But I can't remember his defect status. He was probably horned......which may not be all that bad.

Duke was definitely horned, pretty sure clean on all 3 and I always like my Duke daughters.
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2019, 10:05:28 PM »
Duke of Dublin crossed my mind also. But I can't remember his defect status. He was probably horned......which may not be all that bad.

Duke was definitely horned, pretty sure clean on all 3 and I always like my Duke daughters.

Yup. Duke was horned, but we seemed to get polled calves if the dam was polled. This was also the case when we used Irish Mist on polled cows. Duke had been dehorned when we got him in Ireland, but we did have some full Irish calves from him that had horns, but they were loose, that is, they flopped on their heads, and were not attached to the skull. They were like big scurs but smaller than horns usually are. Maybe they were closer to being scurs than actual horns, I am not sure.
And yes, Duke was also clean for all 3 defects.
I was just thinking a few days ago, that I should use him on a few cows again. Duke was incredibly quiet and his calves were the same way. When I drove into the pasture, Duke would walk to my truck and stick his big head into the open window and lay it in my lap. I was scratch his head and he would not move. This became a normal thing for us, every time he saw the truck coming into the pasture. Once he was done breeding cows, all I had to do was drive into the pasture with the trailer on, and open the end gate and he would walk in. He seemed to know when his work was done.
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2019, 11:00:37 PM »
Would he have too much frame for the current show ring?  I recall he sired the national champion TNT Fastrack who had to be a frame 9 or 10.

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2019, 08:14:49 AM »
What about shadybrook scotty? Was he considered an all red?
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2019, 09:56:15 AM »
Fastrack got some of that from Manitoba Sunrise a 3000 plus pound bull O0

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2019, 09:10:22 AM »
What about shadybrook scotty? Was he considered an all red?
We used him fairly heavily and to good effect! That white flank was quite hereditary!
Can't recall a red calf, they all seemed to have white on them. Google 'Duncraggan Tarantino', a bull we bred, used, and collected for further use.
If I remember correctly he was a finalist in the region for 'Champion of the World' a few years ago!

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2019, 04:55:15 PM »
What about shadybrook scotty? Was he considered an all red?
We used him fairly heavily and to good effect! That white flank was quite hereditary!
Can't recall a red calf, they all seemed to have white on them. Google 'Duncraggan Tarantino', a bull we bred, used, and collected for further use.
If I remember correctly he was a finalist in the region for 'Champion of the World' a few years ago!
Did you find scotty throw consistent low birthweights?
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2019, 05:17:22 PM »
What about shadybrook scotty? Was he considered an all red?//// Not ALL red but ALLLLL GOOD O0

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2019, 12:46:26 PM »
Duke of Dulbin's EPDs are unavailable on the ASA website.  I had heard his daughters weren't the best milkers.  Is that true?  How about birth EPD?  I see Fastrak is almost + 8 for BEPD.  I had a couple Duke calves years ago that were pretty good.  KaDel Urice sold a few bull calves at the Iowa Beef Expo many years ago that were real good.  I have full Irish semen in the tanks from Ultimate Type, Highler 202, Improver 3rd, High Octane, Leggs, Quane, Leader 18th, Leader 13th, Duke, Prime Time, Highler 204, and Guiness.  I haven't used any other than Leader 18th for many years, though I always liked the Irish calves I had.  Maybe the time is right to use them again?  I just loved the Leader 18th and Ultimate Type cows I had. 

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2019, 01:53:46 PM »
Easy way around the ASAs petty BSIf you find yourself unable to view a particular animals EpDs because the association has blocked them,  click on progeny and find one that isnt blocked.  On the progenys EPD page,  there is a row that shows the sires EPDs.   

Unbelievably absurd to block accessibility to particular epds if those particular epds are still being used in the EPD runs.   They need to either block them AND  remove said data from the database OR not block any epds and leave the data as is. The fact that these numbers are still used in the current EPD runs completely undermines their whole excuse for having them blocked in the database. 
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #56 on: April 29, 2019, 02:12:26 PM »
I think the blocking is for those that record on the TOC program and WHR breeders' epd's show up. Could be wrong. I think they should all show.

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #57 on: April 29, 2019, 02:19:59 PM »
The other way to find EPD's is to go to the Canadian Shorthorn Digital Beef site. Nothing blocked there and EPD's are the same, just have different within breed percentiles for each country.

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #58 on: April 29, 2019, 04:59:59 PM »
I think the blocking is for those that record on the TOC program and WHR breeders' epd's show up. Could be wrong. I think they should all show.

If theyre going to accept data from TOC breeders, then the EPD that is generated from said data needs to be visible to all. 

 The cases Im speaking to are in many times from breeders who have passed 20 years ago.   Like what is the significance of blocking EPDs on animals who were at their last active date owned by people who expired long before WHR was even a thing.   
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #59 on: April 29, 2019, 07:28:46 PM »
If theyre going to accept data from TOC breeders, then the EPD that is generated from said data needs to be visible to all. 

 The cases Im speaking to are in many times from breeders who have passed 20 years ago.   Like what is the significance of blocking EPDs on animals who were at their last active date owned by people who expired long before WHR was even a thing.

Collecting the data for use in the system and then attempting to hide it from us has never made sense to me. I feel like I've paid my dues and WHR fees to use the system and should be able to see any animal in the database. Some of the old bulls didn't/don't have the correct owners listed so they were even being hidden from the owners. Others don't even have an owner listed and we get to see them.

The actual epds can be entertaining as well. You can observe some of them having significant movements with no recent calves or relatives reporting data. As of today, some of them have epds that are well beyond outliers. I've considered using a few of them I have in the tank just to see what happens. I assume I'd be forced to pay $80-100 for the genetics test just to register the calf and then they'll magically "fix" those crazy outlier epds I used the bull for in the first place.


 

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