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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #60 on: April 29, 2019, 07:47:31 PM »
Duke of Dulbin's EPDs are unavailable on the ASA website.  I had heard his daughters weren't the best milkers.  Is that true?  How about birth EPD?  I see Fastrak is almost + 8 for BEPD.  I had a couple Duke calves years ago that were pretty good.  KaDel Urice sold a few bull calves at the Iowa Beef Expo many years ago that were real good.  I have full Irish semen in the tanks from Ultimate Type, Highler 202, Improver 3rd, High Octane, Leggs, Quane, Leader 18th, Leader 13th, Duke, Prime Time, Highler 204, and Guiness.  I haven't used any other than Leader 18th for many years, though I always liked the Irish calves I had.  Maybe the time is right to use them again?  I just loved the Leader 18th and Ultimate Type cows I had.

The Duke dtrs I had all milked good. Duke, Prime Time, Irish Mist and Improver were my favorites. I got along pretty good with UT on heifers. Highler 202 I liked when I saw him, but his progeny did the least for me. Hazel Leap was another one that I had a couple pretty good daughters of.
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #61 on: April 29, 2019, 08:10:26 PM »
I havent seen many-But really liked the Lazy D Quanes I have seen There was a cow at Brise Wallades from Brockmueller that I went to the monn on and got outbid -really good way ahead of her time-Looked like a real thick but EZ calving deal There was a bull called Improvers Stride that had a brother in blood-Brookwood Galadiator. I think Mcgills bull and some others in Tennesee etc go back to him-Ended up with 20 straws on him I may test a straw to see if he has any TH Pha etc-Stride was clean I think O0

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #62 on: April 29, 2019, 09:33:25 PM »
I havent seen many-But really liked the Lazy D Quanes I have seen There was a cow at Brise Wallades from Brockmueller that I went to the monn on and got outbid -really good way ahead of her time-Looked like a real thick but EZ calving deal There was a bull called Improvers Stride that had a brother in blood-Brookwood Galadiator. I think Mcgills bull and some others in Tennesee etc go back to him-Ended up with 20 straws on him I may test a straw to see if he has any TH Pha etc-Stride was clean I think O0

I owned Stride. He was a DS carrier. He was TH clean, even though they have him listed as probable. I bought him and Durango when I bought the Willard Keith herd. Stride and Durango were 2 of the first cattle that Beever did TH testing on in the beginning. I had some really good daughters of him and he sired a steer that did real well in a feed out in IN.
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #63 on: April 29, 2019, 10:23:33 PM »
What about Lazy D Quanes-There was a really good daughter I wanted at Bruce Wallaces sale that I think Phil Hamiton of Cherokee Trailer Sales outbid me on-Man was that female good There was a young breeder lady from Austraila who really wanted to see Connells Club Calves etc (Steve Mcgill kept trying to point her towards dual cattle and she responded-"too much dairy influence for me": HAD TO BE THERE. Anyway-she and I concurred that that was A GREAT FEMALE-The few straws I have came from you-What were they like?

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #64 on: April 30, 2019, 04:58:14 AM »
What about Lazy D Quanes-There was a really good daughter I wanted at Bruce Wallaces sale that I think Phil Hamiton of Cherokee Trailer Sales outbid me on-Man was that female good There was a young breeder lady from Austraila who really wanted to see Connells Club Calves etc (Steve Mcgill kept trying to point her towards dual cattle and she responded-"too much dairy influence for me": HAD TO BE THERE. Anyway-she and I concurred that that was A GREAT FEMALE-The few straws I have came from you-What were they like?

 Phil didn't own Cherokee Trailer. Another guy in TN that owned Shorthorns did. I don't remember that particular cow, but Phil owned a lot of good ones over the years. Brent Elam and I went to the 3W dispersal and bought several there for him. Phil's big problem was that if he really like them, then he would keep them in the horse stables in a 12 x 12 stall ( he was big into Standard bred horses) where he could drive in anytime on his golf cart and be able to look at them. When he got ready to sell one he would just sell for whatever no matter what it cost him. No rhyme or reason. Mike Hix bought a lot of them that way over the years.
 Another good one was Hazel Leap. I had a daughter of the original Miss Springfield sired by Hazel Leap that came from Lazy D. She was pretty good.
 Probably the 2 that made me the most money for the time was 2 Prime Time daughters. One was a daughter of Robin R180 and the other was a daughter of HS Scarlet O'Hare. The Robin dtr came from Merl Welch and the Scarlet came from Hoyt. Both were ones that Phil Hamilton bought. The Scarlet cow came from what Mike Dugdale called the thriller pen. He said if you wanted a "thrill" then try to get between her and her calf for the first 5 to 7 days. He was right. Flushed her one time to Irish Mist and got 2 daughters that were real good cows. Especially with them being full Irish. Bred one of these daughters to TPS Coronet Leader 21st and got a pretty good dtr. This was about 2006. Shawn Fisher in OH ended up with her.
 The Robin cow was a flushing machine. This was during the days when the everything was frozen as 3 step eggs. She never flushed less than 18 number 1 eggs. She would about break you, she produced so many.
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #65 on: April 30, 2019, 08:11:51 AM »
Trying to figure out what to use Quane on O0

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #66 on: May 01, 2019, 11:02:12 AM »
Did you find scotty throw consistent low birthweights?

I found scotty to consistently throw low birthweights or at least moderate birthweights with good calving ease.

I don't remember ever assisting  a scotty calf at birth or assistting a scotty daughter

In my opinion, he was a bull that should have seen more use
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2019, 06:35:17 PM »
Thriller pen. Made me giggle, definitely sounds like something mike dugdale would have said.   ;D;D

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #68 on: May 02, 2019, 07:02:00 AM »
I saw on facebook or some where..........that semen was available on a Muridale Rawhide that Warner's just bought?
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #69 on: May 02, 2019, 08:48:20 AM »
I havent seen many winners down here out of Canadian bulls O0

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #70 on: May 02, 2019, 09:16:11 AM »
Duke of Dulbin's EPDs are unavailable on the ASA website.  I had heard his daughters weren't the best milkers.  Is that true?  How about birth EPD?  I see Fastrak is almost + 8 for BEPD.  I had a couple Duke calves years ago that were pretty good.  KaDel Urice sold a few bull calves at the Iowa Beef Expo many years ago that were real good.  I have full Irish semen in the tanks from Ultimate Type, Highler 202, Improver 3rd, High Octane, Leggs, Quane, Leader 18th, Leader 13th, Duke, Prime Time, Highler 204, and Guiness.  I haven't used any other than Leader 18th for many years, though I always liked the Irish calves I had.  Maybe the time is right to use them again?  I just loved the Leader 18th and Ultimate Type cows I had.

The Duke dtrs I had all milked good. Duke, Prime Time, Irish Mist and Improver were my favorites. I got along pretty good with UT on heifers. Highler 202 I liked when I saw him, but his progeny did the least for me. Hazel Leap was another one that I had a couple pretty good daughters of.


My experience with Duke of Dublin was that if he was bred to a good milking cow, he would sire a good milking daughter. If the cow he was bred to was moderate milking, he would sire a moderate milking daughter. I never thought of Duke as being a bull who would add milk to any of his offspring. That said, most Shorthprn females have " adequate" milk and there are often more that milk too much than there are that milk too little.

There has been some good bulls mentioned here that I have always thought should have been used more back in the day. Hazel Leap 2nd was a very very good bull, and his best known son Lazy D HL Quane was probably even a better breeding bull. I remember seeing Hazel Leap 2nd shortly after Dick Judy, from Beef Genetics Research Inc, Mankato, KS imported him in the same shipment that included Dividend, Improver, Leader 16th and many other bulls and females. I was impressed with Hazel Leap 2nd. Another bull that I really liked was Tourand Sir Ivor. Sir Ivor was sold to a commercial herd in Kansas a few months after arriving in the US, as the ASA did not allow any Irish cattle into the ASA herd book two years in a row and Dick Judy decided he better start selling some of these Irish cattle off to recoup some of his money invested. We happened to be at Dick Judy's the day after the ASA decided not to allow any Irish cattle into their herd book. He was so upset over this decision, that I think we could have bought any of the Irish cattle he imported that day. He even priced Dividend and Improver to us that day, and it was a high price but would have still been a very good investment.  We went over to see Tourant Sir Ivor in the commercial herd he was working in, and he was a real beef bull. He was probably one of the Irish bulls that slipped through the cracks and did not get used enough. I bought a son of Tourant Sir Ivor in Denver named Sandy Creek Ivor several years later. Ivor was a white bull and one of my biggest regrets is that I never collected semen from him. At the time, we also had Highfield Irish Mist, IDS Duke of Dublin, CCS Improver, and IDS Improver ( all full Irish), along with Ready Go, Waukaru Cinnabar, Four Point Major,  and Ellsway Columbus as our walking herd bulls. I had collected semen from most of these and I decided there was probably not enough interest in a white horned bull to collect him. I have regretted it ever since. Ivor produced some powerful offspring. After using him a few years, I sold him to Dale Wernicke in Illinois, and shortly after he got there, Dale found him dead in the pasture after he got rolled over in a hollow in the pasture and he bloated and died.
I have often wondered if there was much semen around from Lady D HL Quane. I am thinking he is a bull that should be introduced to a few cows again. I remember some awesome females sired by him. I saw Quane at Mcfarlands in South Dakota several times, and he was very impressive, as were many of his offspring
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #71 on: May 02, 2019, 10:13:48 AM »
I went through the Lazy D pastures in I believe 1982 and had my choice of Ultimate Type or Quane.  I picked UT because of his absolutely flawless phenotype, he was sired by old Deerpark Leader, and his dam, Highfield Una 3rd, was one great cow.  There was a reason Richard named him what he did.  Quane was not quite as smooth through his shoulder and front end, but his dam was an even greater cow.  I think I remember her being champion cow in Ireland.  I saw Highler 202 and Hazel Leap 2nd, probably on that trip, and I thought Highler was a better bull.  I used Quane a little bit and had some very good calves.  I always wanted to have some Quane calves out of UT daughters.  Maybe if I get at it.....

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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2019, 12:22:33 PM »
I'd sure like to see a picture of Hazel Leap 2nd if anyone has one. Is there a story behind why his semen straws are labeled like they are?


Pic of an Ultimate Type daughter...


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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2019, 05:41:44 PM »
Here's a pic of the Leader 21st cow out of a full Irish, Irish Mist cow,
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Re: A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners
« Reply #74 on: May 02, 2019, 08:32:24 PM »
Super Pretty-needs a shot of clubby or fullblood maine JMO-Doc Son on here has some super good FULLBLOODS-I like cunia or 4S Impact Shaker on one like her  - neither of them could be considered course made or high gutted-and Leader the 18Th was a skinny looking bull but was magic when mixed with the right main or clubby way more so than the Rodeo Trump merry go round O0
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