Aberdeen-Angus red polled bull and cow

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Plate LVI.  This is the 1923 edition of this book, but the photos could be as older.
I thought the type was impressive.  Bred by W.K. Macdonald, Windmill House, Abroath , Scotland
https://archive.org/stream/farmlivestockofg00wall#page/n257/mode/2up/search/galloway
 

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They both appear kind of average to me but the way the cow' dewlap transition into her chest floor is ideal. Looks to meet at the exact same point.
 

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I never get tired of the pictures in that book.  There are several editions, from 1885 to 1923, each slightly different.  One edition has pictures of the Vaynol herd of Wild White cattle and also the Cadzow Park herd before the introduction of Chillingham blood. I am pretty sure that these were herds in Scotland or of Scottish origin and they differ in character from the Chilllingham cattle. Cadzow woods has ancient oak groves.
The whole reason I got interested in White Galloways was because of the picture of the bull from Vaynol Park.  One day I saw a White Galloway bull out on some back road and the whole scene sort of turned to black and white in my mind and I saw that Vaynol bull looking at me.
Anyway, usually when they speak of Red Polls in these old books, it is in reference to the dual purpose type of cattle from Norfolk and Suffolk, or Sussex, as Mark said.  But Abroath is in Angus and the term Aberdeen-Angus is consistent with what they were calling Aberdeen-Angus black polled cattle back then, so I thought well maybe it's the Red Angus of that time. I agree about some kind of cross going on there.  Maybe it's just a red type from that district.
 

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The breed called Red Poll, is a dual purpose type formed by amalgation of Norfolk horned and Suffolk Dun Polled, that on 1874 was knew as Red Poll. Some connection with Galloway (red or dun) is accept as many Scottish cattle was bought to be fatted on Smithfield surroundings. No Sussex in there.

The correct international name of the so called Angus is Aberdeen Angus. On past, end of XIX century some guys call the new formed breed as Polled-Angus (here in southern Brazil until some decades ago they were called as a nicknamed Poliangu - a more portuguese/spanish pronunciation for Polled ANgus), also was knew and called as you mentioned too - Aberdeen Angus black polled. The Aberdeen Angus red coated is a apart breed only in USA.

The red coat of Aberdeen Angus is an atavic gene that appear time by time on black populatiom. As on Aberdeen Angus formation were formed by 5 breeds (3 horned and 2 polled) with many kind of coat shades, the red coat was kept as an old heritage. Some speculation also tells that on early Aberdeen Angus formation, some Shorthorn blood was infusioned and the red coat comes from there.....
 

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about different colors in Angus cattle, historical
https://archive.org/stream/typesbreedsoffar01plum#page/285/mode/1up/search/red+poll

And about Red Poll cattle
https://archive.org/stream/typesbreedsoffar01plum#page/450/mode/1up/search/red+poll

and totally off topic a photo of Waterloo Clay, Milking Shorthorn bull.  Remember when we were talking about masculine bulls making feminine cows. This picture makes me think about the sexual dimorphism in dairy cattle.
https://archive.org/stream/typesbreedsoffar01plum#page/244/mode/1up
 

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Hey, I think that idea about Luing was a really good one.  Here are some pictures Grassfarmer posted on Keeny's Corner a while ago. http://www.keeneyscorner.com/t192-masculine-bulls
I hope Grassfarmer does not mind me putting them up.  I thought that "red poll" bull reminded me of something, then the Luing idea made me think about Highlands and Shorthorns and Northern Scotland.  Thanks for the good insight.
 

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okay, last bit of obscurata.
Here is a Highland bull from the same book, so a contemporary.  Property of the Right Honorable Lord Kinnaird.
On this map Kincardine is just South of Aberdeen, and on the map of distribution of breeds, Kinnairds Hd. is at the North East end of Aberdeen, near Buchan Ness.  So it seems like the Lord Kinnaird would reside around Aberdeen or Angus.
https://archive.org/stream/farmlivestockof00wall#page/n37/mode/2up
I think it reasonable (by proximity) that something like this animal, genetically,  got into that long bodied, hairy, "aberdeen angus red polled' bull with the oddly primitive expression.
How he got polled is the Angus I guess, or the Red Poll.

I don't know where the other Highland bull is from, I just like him.
 

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