AI available 3/4 Simmental calving ease

Seen Lucky Boy on Allied there and think I will put him and Substance on my list with Lucky Charm to start with.

A good example of spotting is a bull in the Ruby Cattle Co sale, lot 64, and he happens to be a Lucy Dice grandson. I have not seen that much white ever in a purebred bull! I think people are more accepting of it, and some even look for it. Not sure what I think of it, but I like steers that look like that in the show ring. Wonder how much white he would throw on his calves???
http://www.edjesales.com/eberspacher/ruby/

Firesweepranch I seen them too, good sale book today and holy smokes there are some painted up ones. I wouldn't have a problem selling them kind of heifers at our club calf sale but PB bulls would be a tuff go. Wouldn't mind using bull like that on my angus and shorty cows for a flash of color because it never bothered me but like you I was surprised also. 

Have an Ironwood New level x Lucys boy PB Angus cow due 3-12 to Lucky Dice and she has a white spot on her bag, maybe just maybe I will get a little CROME!

Keep the idea's coming. Even some of these outcross 3/4 bloods I will put on the PB's and keep them PB.........couple Grandmasters to breed too.

firesweepranch said:

A good example of spotting is a bull in the Ruby Cattle Co sale, lot 64, and he happens to be a Lucy Dice grandson. I have not seen that much white ever in a purebred bull! I think people are more accepting of it, and some even look for it. Not sure what I think of it, but I like steers that look like that in the show ring. Wonder how much white he would throw on his calves???
http://www.edjesales.com/eberspacher/ruby/

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I had a calf just like him last spring that we thought about keeping to use on Angus cows...I would just about guarantee all blazes and baldies on Angus cows! I questioned my bull's manhood, and he was too young to use when I needed him, so we he ended up making a show steer. I looked and looked for a bull like that...finally bought a black & white Shear Pleasure son...he was the best baldy with some extra chrome I could find...pretty much the ONLY baldy with extra chrome I could find! I'll let you know how the calves look in September!

Till...Don't get too excited about extra chrome out of an Angus cow with a little white on her udder. I think you may be disappointed on that one. But put LD on a Simmie cow with a spot gene and stand back!... Or ANY of the blaze faced or baldy bulls on a baldy Simmie cow...that's where you get color.

Leanbeef I never get excited about color anymore. The herf x angus cow we talking about in the other thread 1/6 any color at all. That why she bred to old clubby bull Hotspot! No color out of that mating and she might just get culled!

Speaking of the wild simmy color deal,  remember this one Nick ? Lucky Dice all the way!!!

Matt I'd never get that lucky!

Growing up in the Simmental business, I've always been really interested in color pattern. I picked my first heifer based solely on color pattern--she was spotted! I was eight, and I had never seen a prettier calf out of our Hereford & Angus based commercial cows. As spots fell out of fashion & it became so important NOT to have any white, it became important to me to understand the genetics and the spot gene as best I could. Obviously, we still don't know all there is to know, but I have my theories about the spot gene, particularly in regards to Simmental cattle. Color patterns associated with different breeds are different, and the genetics that determine those colors and patterns are different. I'm not convinced a Hereford x Angus black baldy is likely to throw a spotted calf, but you might easily get the white chrome markings you see on Hereford marked cattle. I've never seen a great deal of chrome out of a purebred Angus parent. Since the spot gene is recessive, there has to be one on both sides of the pedigree, and since Angus don't carry a spot gene, even Angus cattle with a white udder or white navel won't throw the kind of white that solid colored, spot carrier, Simmental crosses can make when they're mated to each other. My theory is that you have to have a spot gene in order for the blaze gene to be expressed...so if that's true, then all baldy or blaze-faced Simmental cattle would carry the spot gene. Unless it's really complicated, which it may be, there could be as much as 25% chance of a spotted calf out of two baldy parents, and it would also mean you might expect a very high percentage of baldies and blazes out of a spotted parent and a non-spotter like an Angus. If we could prove that theory and people came to understand it, there could be a good market for black & white spotted bulls to go on Angus cows! Which is where a black & white spotted bull belongs!...