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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2009, 12:12:35 PM »
Sorry for knowing something I am kinda new to this whole cattle thing now reason for you to be a jerk about it

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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2009, 12:18:26 PM »
Sorry for knowing something I am kinda new to this whole cattle thing now reason for you to be a jerk about it

It's not what you know, it's the fact that it is illegal and it sounded like you wanted to find a good way to do it. OH Breeder is very knowledgeable and I would respect his position on this issue, especially since it's illegal.
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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2009, 12:18:50 PM »
Sorry for knowing something I am kinda new to this whole cattle thing now reason for you to be a jerk about it


not being a jerk, but when someone offers a advice and you ask a question about something you "didn't know about"yet then contradict the advice- it comes off kind of strange. Re-read what you posted and you will see my point.

There are alot of practices that are done. Just because they are done does make them okay or legal. I have heard of people putting fish hooks in calves teeth at NAILE to keep them from falling out. Using 2 x 4's to knock teeth back in. How comfortable do you think any of this would be? Is the animal injured? No but it is cruel and inhumane.
I personally have had enough surgery for most people in a life time. Any procedure without sedation can be extremely painful like pulling chest tubes out of your chest with no sedation or pain meds. I would not think of inflicting pain on an animal. You can tell a human hey this is going to hurt but an animal doesn't understand and it is wrong.

I assume you are young and a shower. No need to think any of these practices are acceptable. If you want to shorten your career then do not go down those pathways.
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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2009, 12:21:06 PM »
If I ever catch somebody airing one of my steers that I raised and sold, they had better be a damn fast runner -- and I Mean FAST.

If there are any one out there that thinks this is not cruelty -- I will demonstrate on that person what it feels like tohave your hide peeled off alive. There are alot of people (?? used in context) doing this  -- I hope they can sleep well at night, most likely doesn't bother them one darn bit. It's all about the money -- how stupid -- there you have it.

You young folks on here had better do more home work than you get from behind the barns -- it just is not right - that's all there is to it!

It is not illegal to be ignorant of procedural ethics -- HOWEVER -- it IS illegal AND imoral to do this once you know the least little bit about cattle. Now that you know, this subject aught to squeezed out of your brain cells and left at that. FFAshower - this is the bottom line, now you know, I hope you will use the info to do what is right and not go down this path!

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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2009, 12:22:02 PM »
No actually I am not a shower but at the County Fair a couple of years ago there was someone that did it and we tried pressing charges but they said it couldnt be proven. And yes I am young starting my own herd.

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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2009, 12:25:12 PM »
I am now saying it is right or wrong i just wanted some information about it incase this happens again.

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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2009, 12:29:19 PM »
No actually I am not a shower but at the County Fair a couple of years ago there was someone that did it and we tried pressing charges but they said it couldnt be proven. And yes I am young starting my own herd.

The right person would be able to tell from a hanging carcass. CSI for animals I am sure there is one. Scaring should definitely appear different in muscling I would think. Good question.

 I am not sure you would be able to distinguish it through the naked eye.

I had a guy come and see a steer of ours. He said, if you let me take this animal to XYZ's farm for month  we could make it a champion and have more an ass. I said, no I think you need to keep on moving and preferr you don't come back.
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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2009, 12:33:04 PM »
Does the meat go bad from the air that is put into the skin?

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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2009, 12:36:48 PM »
Good jpb OHB -- hope you told him better in real time!

If you were a judge at a major show -- terminal -- as you run your hands over the steer to feel for condition, it is very easy to take the tips of your fingers and run down the out side of the round and thurl -- every couple inches you'd feel a little bump -- like a small scab possibly. Dead give away -- if I were judging that pen, any steer with that feel would be tanked -- and I wouldn't even give a reason. I am that dead set against it.

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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2009, 01:03:37 PM »
Young fitters here on the SP:   First of all, I do not mean to sound condescending.   Look this up in the dictionary...it will serve you well later in life...haha.

 If you affiliate yourself with fitters that air or oil your cattle, it does not take long for your peers, mentors and the old lady at the feed store to find out.  First, they will talk about you.  Then people will do their best to distance themselves from you.  Eventually, nobody will bid on your calves in the junior market sale.

Going to the dark side will only pay off for the first purple ribbon.  Then you are toast and people will never take you seriously again. 

I know several traders/fitters that have found families that will buy their "doctored" calves.  Then the families wonder why nobody will associate with them.  I wonder if they think "Doesn't everybody do this?"

Bottom line.....IT IS WRONG, just despicable!    If you cannot find happiness playing with work, genetics and feed, you need to find another hobby.
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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2009, 01:10:13 PM »
The people that do thinkgs like this just sicken me.  Glad that you tried to press charges against them.  Maybe next time they will think twice about doing it at your fair.  I have heard of some larger outfits doing this and other things for shows and it makes me not want to ever do any kind of business with them.

Remember kids, just say no!!!!  in the end it doens't just hurt the cattle. 
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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2009, 01:20:17 PM »
My land people,  it is common chat in this business that airing is a practice by some.  The OP was just asking what this process did to improve the animal. No mention that they were considering using this practice.  Nothing wrong with asking about it.  I had to ask how it worked  the first time I heard about it, but it sure didn't mean that I had any intentions of using an inhumane prodedure like this.  I am glad I understand what the process is so that I can stay clear of the people that use it.  The OP is maybe just trying to learn what goes on no sense in hammering them for just inquiring.  Sorry for the vent!

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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2009, 01:29:58 PM »
If I ever catch somebody airing one of my steers that I raised and sold, they had better be a damn fast runner -- and I Mean FAST.

If there are any one out there that thinks this is not cruelty -- I will demonstrate on that person what it feels like tohave your hide peeled off alive. There are alot of people (?? used in context) doing this  -- I hope they can sleep well at night, most likely doesn't bother them one darn bit. It's all about the money -- how stupid -- there you have it.

You young folks on here had better do more home work than you get from behind the barns -- it just is not right - that's all there is to it!

It is not illegal to be ignorant of procedural ethics -- HOWEVER -- it IS illegal AND imoral to do this once you know the least little bit about cattle. Now that you know, this subject aught to squeezed out of your brain cells and left at that. FFAshower - this is the bottom line, now you know, I hope you will use the info to do what is right and not go down this path!

END OF STORY

Terry

AMEN, and what I haven't seen mentioned is the fact that you can kill one real quick by hitting a blood vessel and air embolus to the heart or brain and presto, dead calf.  You can always tell when someone has done something fishy to a calf by the intense heat that you can feel in the hide, plus one that has recently been aired will crackle like bubble wrap, something I will loudly point out if I feel in one, all the time acting like I have no idea how it got there.  It is amazing how fast the color can drain out of a person's face when that is mentioned. 

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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2009, 01:42:54 PM »
Speaking of inhumane I think the ADG requirement for state and county shows should be eliminated.

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Re: Airing Cattle
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2009, 01:50:49 PM »
First let me start off by saying that I have never aired a calf.  Nor have I been been in the corner of someone that was showing an aired calf.  However, I will venture to say that it happens a lot more than people think.  Can you tell when you look at the carcass?  You bet you can.  Does anyone ever get disqaulified?  Nope.  No one wants any controversy.  No show manager wants their champions to be tainted.  It's the same reason the champion steer at Ft Worth goes to the zoo after the show.  The people that run a show aren't looking to kick out a calf after it wins.  They only do it as a last resort.  Eg.  Positive drug test or animal identity isssues.

In a lot of circles airing a calf is spoke about like feet trimming or dehorning.  Just something that you do.   Do I think it is right?  No.  Would I ever do it? No.  Am I going to protest when one wins that I have reason to believe has been aired?  No.  Protesting a calf would probably be worse for you than it would be for the person showing it.  You would burn a lot of bridges with a lot of people depending on whose calf it was.  I'll just keep minding my own business and trying to help family and friends do well and have fun.  
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