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Title: Airing Cattle
Post by: B1Gfan on March 02, 2009, 11:16:38 AM
I was wondering why people air up cattle, how and what are the cattle loosing or gaining.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: SD on March 02, 2009, 11:24:24 AM
Maybe it's like when we gave a friend an air up girlfriend at his bachelor party. :o

Did I just say that?!
 <alien>
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: justme on March 02, 2009, 11:40:32 AM
if I had a newspaper rolled up I"d have to swatch ya SD and say "Bad boy!" lol
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: B1Gfan on March 02, 2009, 11:54:12 AM
is this a bad subect or doesnt anyone know anything about it ?
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on March 02, 2009, 11:56:21 AM
It's done to make the cattle look more full, either in their hind end, or the top of their rib, or their flank. It's usually a practice that is VERY much against the rules and I sure wouldn't suggest doing it.  Pumping is one thing, airing is a whole other ball game.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: CJC on March 02, 2009, 11:57:10 AM
If it's the type of airing I'm thinking your talking about you can go to jail for it. Cruelty to animals
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: ROAD WARRIOR on March 02, 2009, 11:59:24 AM
I'm sure that many on here know alot more about than they are saying. Having been on the show road for over 30 years I have seen it all. Airing is illegal. Simply put they shoot air under the hide to fill holes that are naturally occurring in cattle in an attempt to make them better. RW
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: OH Breeder on March 02, 2009, 11:59:39 AM
It is cruel and unusual. THis is second hand as we would NEVER do anything like this.

They make slits in the skin along the rear quarter. They blow air underneath the skin. The skin is pulled away from the tissue underneat. As the tissue scars it builds up under the skin and enhances the shape.

I am not sure why anyone would find this humane in any sense.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: B1Gfan on March 02, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
Im not sayin your wrong but cruelty to animals dont you have to hurt or harm the animals. What does it do to the meat?
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: aj on March 02, 2009, 12:01:06 PM
Could a guy air up a potload of feeder calves and run them through an auction. Would they weigh more? What does air weigh? ;D
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: ROAD WARRIOR on March 02, 2009, 12:02:29 PM
It does tear the skin away from the tissue that binds it to the muscle which I'm sure is quite painful. RW
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: OH Breeder on March 02, 2009, 12:03:39 PM
Im not sayin your wrong but cruelty to animals dont you have to hurt or harm the animals. What does it do to the meat?


Wait do I need to repeat what I just said. How is what I said not cruel. making slits in the skin and blowing air under it. How do you think that would feel? They don't give a general anesthetic.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: B1Gfan on March 02, 2009, 12:06:15 PM
I dont know I heard that they use needles i have never heard of someone slitting the hide
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: ROAD WARRIOR on March 02, 2009, 12:09:54 PM
From what I have seen in the past they use a needle to inject the air under the hide. Several years ago I new a steer jock that would air his every 4 weeks. Oh and by the way - he is no longer in business. RW
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: OH Breeder on March 02, 2009, 12:10:42 PM
I dont know I heard that they use needles i have never heard of someone slitting the hide

It can be done with needles. EITHER WAY IT IS WRONG AND ILLEGAL!

Either way, would you like me to peel your skin away from the muscle while you are awake and restrained? With needles or slits in the skin?  Yes they can use a basketball pump too.. anything else you know you would like to share.

Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: B1Gfan on March 02, 2009, 12:12:35 PM
Sorry for knowing something I am kinda new to this whole cattle thing now reason for you to be a jerk about it
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: MYT Farms on March 02, 2009, 12:18:26 PM
Sorry for knowing something I am kinda new to this whole cattle thing now reason for you to be a jerk about it

It's not what you know, it's the fact that it is illegal and it sounded like you wanted to find a good way to do it. OH Breeder is very knowledgeable and I would respect his position on this issue, especially since it's illegal.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: OH Breeder on March 02, 2009, 12:18:50 PM
Sorry for knowing something I am kinda new to this whole cattle thing now reason for you to be a jerk about it


not being a jerk, but when someone offers a advice and you ask a question about something you "didn't know about"yet then contradict the advice- it comes off kind of strange. Re-read what you posted and you will see my point.

There are alot of practices that are done. Just because they are done does make them okay or legal. I have heard of people putting fish hooks in calves teeth at NAILE to keep them from falling out. Using 2 x 4's to knock teeth back in. How comfortable do you think any of this would be? Is the animal injured? No but it is cruel and inhumane.
I personally have had enough surgery for most people in a life time. Any procedure without sedation can be extremely painful like pulling chest tubes out of your chest with no sedation or pain meds. I would not think of inflicting pain on an animal. You can tell a human hey this is going to hurt but an animal doesn't understand and it is wrong.

I assume you are young and a shower. No need to think any of these practices are acceptable. If you want to shorten your career then do not go down those pathways.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: Cowboy on March 02, 2009, 12:21:06 PM
If I ever catch somebody airing one of my steers that I raised and sold, they had better be a damn fast runner -- and I Mean FAST.

If there are any one out there that thinks this is not cruelty -- I will demonstrate on that person what it feels like tohave your hide peeled off alive. There are alot of people (?? used in context) doing this  -- I hope they can sleep well at night, most likely doesn't bother them one darn bit. It's all about the money -- how stupid -- there you have it.

You young folks on here had better do more home work than you get from behind the barns -- it just is not right - that's all there is to it!

It is not illegal to be ignorant of procedural ethics -- HOWEVER -- it IS illegal AND imoral to do this once you know the least little bit about cattle. Now that you know, this subject aught to squeezed out of your brain cells and left at that. FFAshower - this is the bottom line, now you know, I hope you will use the info to do what is right and not go down this path!

END OF STORY

Terry
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: B1Gfan on March 02, 2009, 12:22:02 PM
No actually I am not a shower but at the County Fair a couple of years ago there was someone that did it and we tried pressing charges but they said it couldnt be proven. And yes I am young starting my own herd.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: B1Gfan on March 02, 2009, 12:25:12 PM
I am now saying it is right or wrong i just wanted some information about it incase this happens again.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: OH Breeder on March 02, 2009, 12:29:19 PM
No actually I am not a shower but at the County Fair a couple of years ago there was someone that did it and we tried pressing charges but they said it couldnt be proven. And yes I am young starting my own herd.

The right person would be able to tell from a hanging carcass. CSI for animals I am sure there is one. Scaring should definitely appear different in muscling I would think. Good question.

 I am not sure you would be able to distinguish it through the naked eye.

I had a guy come and see a steer of ours. He said, if you let me take this animal to XYZ's farm for month  we could make it a champion and have more an ass. I said, no I think you need to keep on moving and preferr you don't come back.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: B1Gfan on March 02, 2009, 12:33:04 PM
Does the meat go bad from the air that is put into the skin?
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: Cowboy on March 02, 2009, 12:36:48 PM
Good jpb OHB -- hope you told him better in real time!

If you were a judge at a major show -- terminal -- as you run your hands over the steer to feel for condition, it is very easy to take the tips of your fingers and run down the out side of the round and thurl -- every couple inches you'd feel a little bump -- like a small scab possibly. Dead give away -- if I were judging that pen, any steer with that feel would be tanked -- and I wouldn't even give a reason. I am that dead set against it.

Terry
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: cowz on March 02, 2009, 01:03:37 PM
Young fitters here on the SP:   First of all, I do not mean to sound condescending.   Look this up in the dictionary...it will serve you well later in life...haha.

 If you affiliate yourself with fitters that air or oil your cattle, it does not take long for your peers, mentors and the old lady at the feed store to find out.  First, they will talk about you.  Then people will do their best to distance themselves from you.  Eventually, nobody will bid on your calves in the junior market sale.

Going to the dark side will only pay off for the first purple ribbon.  Then you are toast and people will never take you seriously again. 

I know several traders/fitters that have found families that will buy their "doctored" calves.  Then the families wonder why nobody will associate with them.  I wonder if they think "Doesn't everybody do this?"

Bottom line.....IT IS WRONG, just despicable!    If you cannot find happiness playing with work, genetics and feed, you need to find another hobby.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: Davis Shorthorns on March 02, 2009, 01:10:13 PM
The people that do thinkgs like this just sicken me.  Glad that you tried to press charges against them.  Maybe next time they will think twice about doing it at your fair.  I have heard of some larger outfits doing this and other things for shows and it makes me not want to ever do any kind of business with them.

Remember kids, just say no!!!!  in the end it doens't just hurt the cattle. 
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: RSC on March 02, 2009, 01:20:17 PM
My land people,  it is common chat in this business that airing is a practice by some.  The OP was just asking what this process did to improve the animal. No mention that they were considering using this practice.  Nothing wrong with asking about it.  I had to ask how it worked  the first time I heard about it, but it sure didn't mean that I had any intentions of using an inhumane prodedure like this.  I am glad I understand what the process is so that I can stay clear of the people that use it.  The OP is maybe just trying to learn what goes on no sense in hammering them for just inquiring.  Sorry for the vent!

Tony
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: inthebarnagain on March 02, 2009, 01:29:58 PM
If I ever catch somebody airing one of my steers that I raised and sold, they had better be a damn fast runner -- and I Mean FAST.

If there are any one out there that thinks this is not cruelty -- I will demonstrate on that person what it feels like tohave your hide peeled off alive. There are alot of people (?? used in context) doing this  -- I hope they can sleep well at night, most likely doesn't bother them one darn bit. It's all about the money -- how stupid -- there you have it.

You young folks on here had better do more home work than you get from behind the barns -- it just is not right - that's all there is to it!

It is not illegal to be ignorant of procedural ethics -- HOWEVER -- it IS illegal AND imoral to do this once you know the least little bit about cattle. Now that you know, this subject aught to squeezed out of your brain cells and left at that. FFAshower - this is the bottom line, now you know, I hope you will use the info to do what is right and not go down this path!

END OF STORY

Terry

AMEN, and what I haven't seen mentioned is the fact that you can kill one real quick by hitting a blood vessel and air embolus to the heart or brain and presto, dead calf.  You can always tell when someone has done something fishy to a calf by the intense heat that you can feel in the hide, plus one that has recently been aired will crackle like bubble wrap, something I will loudly point out if I feel in one, all the time acting like I have no idea how it got there.  It is amazing how fast the color can drain out of a person's face when that is mentioned. 
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: farwest on March 02, 2009, 01:42:54 PM
Speaking of inhumane I think the ADG requirement for state and county shows should be eliminated.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: Dusty on March 02, 2009, 01:50:49 PM
First let me start off by saying that I have never aired a calf.  Nor have I been been in the corner of someone that was showing an aired calf.  However, I will venture to say that it happens a lot more than people think.  Can you tell when you look at the carcass?  You bet you can.  Does anyone ever get disqaulified?  Nope.  No one wants any controversy.  No show manager wants their champions to be tainted.  It's the same reason the champion steer at Ft Worth goes to the zoo after the show.  The people that run a show aren't looking to kick out a calf after it wins.  They only do it as a last resort.  Eg.  Positive drug test or animal identity isssues.

In a lot of circles airing a calf is spoke about like feet trimming or dehorning.  Just something that you do.   Do I think it is right?  No.  Would I ever do it? No.  Am I going to protest when one wins that I have reason to believe has been aired?  No.  Protesting a calf would probably be worse for you than it would be for the person showing it.  You would burn a lot of bridges with a lot of people depending on whose calf it was.  I'll just keep minding my own business and trying to help family and friends do well and have fun.  
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: Dusty on March 02, 2009, 01:52:13 PM
Speaking of inhumane I think the ADG requirement for state and county shows should be eliminated.

Why?  Is pulling 160lbs off a 850lb calf inhumane? No one would ever do that right?
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: CAB on March 02, 2009, 02:02:26 PM
   I shouldn't probably say this, but honestly, I would like to see it done. I guess just out of curiosity. I've had PPL here that critic calves with,"he has everything, but the pump". Please don't crucify me.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: SD on March 02, 2009, 02:06:41 PM
If you were a judge at a major show -- terminal -- as you run your hands over the steer to feel for condition, it is very easy to take the tips of your fingers and run down the out side of the round and thurl -- every couple inches you'd feel a little bump -- like a small scab possibly. Dead give away -- if I were judging that pen, any steer with that feel would be tanked -- and I wouldn't even give a reason. I am that dead set against it.

Terry

Terry, true story. I was at Fort Worth in 08 and came to a new AI sire. I asked the crew around him if I could run my hands over him. They said no and gave some lame excuses. I later came by and just one gentleman was there who looked clueless. I asked again and he said I could I felt down his rear and it was like you described. When I asked he said it might have been warts. I looked and found no sign of warts or the removal of warts. I always wondered if that bull had some real life "photoshopping" done.

You are a boat load of great info Terry!
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: farwest on March 02, 2009, 02:21:10 PM
Speaking of inhumane I think the ADG requirement for state and county shows should be eliminated.

Why?  Is pulling 160lbs off a 850lb calf inhumane? No one would ever do that right?
Too many or most of our county extension agents who have input on the rules and requirements of county and state shows still think this is a kids beef finance project where he goes out and pulls the old commercial black baldy out of the hills and does some serious record keeping on adg, feed conversion, and costs for profit or loss.  They don't realize or don't want to realize the project or business this really is and it's effects on cattle to try to beat these requirements
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: J-Beef on March 02, 2009, 02:23:28 PM
The whole thing stinks... its sad how far people will go.. just for  a purple or the $
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: simtal on March 02, 2009, 03:26:17 PM
I've heard of once the calf has been aired (you guys are forgetting about oil too) you take a rolling pin and smooth out the lumps.  Failure to do this causes one side to be bigger than the other, so I've seen.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: justamom on March 02, 2009, 06:32:17 PM
Ok Im gonna jump in here- I know alot of you are not from Iowa and I for one dont approve of airing cattle, but if you walk down the aisle at the Iowa Beef Expo
or the Iowa State Fair you would run out of toes and fingers counting which ones have been aired.  Unfortunately its pretty common practice here in Iowa I know of
at least three very big steer jocks that commonly air their cattle.  I know alot of people out there wont admit it but believe you me here in Iowa its done, I dont think the young guys do it as much as the established big money ones do. The young guys dont know how to do it or are scared.  Just remember if a steer you paid big money for in Iowa looks different a couple of weeks after you get him home he probably has been aired.  Why do  you think so many of them disappear with kinda big butts and appear with Really big butts. 
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: SKF on March 02, 2009, 06:47:28 PM
Speaking of inhumane I think the ADG requirement for state and county shows should be eliminated.

I agree with that! I hate having a ADG requirement. It makes no sense.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: cowman 52 on March 02, 2009, 07:02:12 PM
 
I'd nearly bet at some time The day after the first stock show someone has tried to figure out a way to make a better calf, In the early 60's the Fort Worth champion sprung a leak,The various kinds & shapes of needles to pump oil under the skin to reshape one, using a hoof nipper & spatula to remove "ties" over the spine,   The Hours you used a rolling pin to shove the fat pones forward around the tailhead  (yes it does work) the touch of arsenic that was fed to make one eat,  the black leaf 40 used to grow hair(and kill lice & a calf if you got it on their head too often).  This and put cattle on the road or railcar for months at a time,  and some how they looked fresh before the days of bute, banamine, and yes before a blower.  Cattle were fitted with out a trimchute,  and way before a can of glue.  Bells drops were the stimulant to wake up the old 2 yr old bull who walked to tieouts  by himself because he knew where they were.
  These so called fitters today could not hold the rice root brush of the old timers,  and I doubt if they know what one is or how to use it.  I think a lot of this junk that happens today is some smarta## kid trying to make someone think he's a lot better than he is!!!!!! (lol) (lol)
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: Diamond on March 02, 2009, 07:40:49 PM
I have one comment to make in regards to those who put an animal in pain for a ribbon. Pathetic. and those who stand quietly and watch, are just as disgusting.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: yuppiecowboy on March 02, 2009, 07:45:45 PM
Great post cowman. Anyone know who Louis Danner is? Louis sold his cows fifteen years or so ago but he was, is for that matter, the best cattleman I have ever had the pleasure of talking to. He was tight with Adamson and put bulls in the rockin J sales back before Chi was a four letter word.

This is up for debate, but it is said Louis and Ralph invented clipping. They were showing back in the day with midget Angus and railcars. The best clipper I have ever personally known adamently claimed if he had to have one clipped right he would want Louis to do it, even if Louis was dead.

Point of my pontificating Mr Danner is that Louis was there from the begining of modern "fitting" through the frame ten soupbone stock and into todays era and he has said on more than one occasion in my presence that todays air, oil, and hokem is Kindergarten compared to what the old boys did. Ever heard of "cutting ties" "rolling the chine"? Shoot, I am not even real sure where the chine is. I have seen all the "modern" tricks. Dont like it or do it, but Ive seen it. Air, Oil. Clenbuteral, you name it, but I doubt a major winner from the mid nineties could come close to the manipulation the railcar cattle went through
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: cowman 52 on March 03, 2009, 08:13:38 AM
The best lesson I ever saw a young kid get,  the polled bull hickory stick was pretty much an outlaw,  took 2 to show him,  Couple of the old timers Joe Lewis & D.T. Carter wound up on both sides of him in Tulsa one year,  By the time Class was done they had boxed in,  Shoved to the outside   & completely hidden the calf,  D T won the class. Joe was 2nd, And Hickory was by Joe's account  " so far down they had to mail him daylight" Miss those 2 they taught me o lot
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: Throttle on March 03, 2009, 11:53:31 AM
Ok Im gonna jump in here- I know alot of you are not from Iowa and I for one dont approve of airing cattle, but if you walk down the aisle at the Iowa Beef Expo
or the Iowa State Fair you would run out of toes and fingers counting which ones have been aired.  Unfortunately its pretty common practice here in Iowa I know of
at least three very big steer jocks that commonly air their cattle.  I know alot of people out there wont admit it but believe you me here in Iowa its done, I dont think the young guys do it as much as the established big money ones do. The young guys dont know how to do it or are scared.  Just remember if a steer you paid big money for in Iowa looks different a couple of weeks after you get him home he probably has been aired.  Why do  you think so many of them disappear with kinda big butts and appear with Really big butts. 

I have heard ppl complain for several years that all the good ones are fake, but I'm not in the right showbarns at the right time to know for sure, I guess. I know that putting oil in one ruins the carcass and that will not fly in OH, folks found out first hand when it all hit the fan here like 1994-96, so wouldn't airing one do the same thing? If it is so prevalent, then how can everyone be getting away with it when they hang em on the rail? Now, breeding cattle, on the other hand, hopefully don't see the kill floor until years after they have been shown, so I can see how they could get away with whatever. I don't know enough about it to point fingers I guess, though you hear the fingers pointing in certain directions now and then, and it doesn't seem to have a big effect on those guys business.
 I do some business with several traders and call a few of them friends and it only ever came up in a conversation once. I aquired a fat steer after state fair one time cuz I was sure he'd be good enough to hunt at NAILE or maybe later. I asked the best guy I knew to place him with a certain family that he had cuz I thought this combo with this calf could get it done. This unnamed big player responds to me, "He's not big enough as**d for the majors. It's too late to crack one open for Louisville and he'll be stale and ugly by Denver." He gave me what I wanted for him and said he was sending him "down south" cuz "the guys down there are better at getting old ones to work". I assume that the "crack one open" reference wasn't about beer as it would be in our showbarn  ;) but who knows? Sometimes it's hard to keep your head in the sand and stay consistent with your morals and beliefs, but I'm in no position in this business to bite the hands that are feeding me, so for now, the ostrich approach will have to do  ???
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: chambero on March 03, 2009, 12:38:52 PM
I should have stayed out of this, but in the spirit of education (as in keeping your kids completely ignorant of drugs doesn't help them one bit), here goes:

I know full well that almost everyone that has shown steers at a high level for a very long time in Texas or Oklahoma has done it or seen it done - folks that some of you commonly deal with and sell to or buy from.

I've never seen a steer aired for a show (as in going in the ring with air in them) . I've had calves fitted by some of the biggest names out there.  However, for a very long time (decades), and still currently to a probably much lesser extent, steers are aired periodically throughout the year to supposedly cause them fo fill in with a little extra subcutaneous fat to give them a smoother look.  Stop and think about it, you can't make one look a lot wider than they naturally are - not without it looking absurd. 

I've heard lots of people gripe over the years and accuse people of airing a calf at a show (almost always a county, almost always someone that never spends time with a calf accusing the winner of cheating).  I've been able to put my hands on some of those calves (at a county show for example) and have never felt one with air in them.  There's a reason officials say you can't prove it - there's nothing to prove. 

It's extremely obvious when a steer has air in them. 

As some of the "old timers" alluded to, it's nothing new, its been around forever, and the both the so-called "benefits" and sideffects on the animal itself are very minimal.  Their skin isn't ripped away from the muscle by it - grab a handful of hair and pull and you can see that a calf's hide isn't attached to the muscle in the way human skin is attached to our other tissues.  The multiple subcutaneous shots are what hurts, not the injection of air itself.  It doesn't hurt the calves nearly as much as many other "legal" procedures do - such as cosmetic dehorning.  You can't do something that really hurts an animal and expect it to still be controllable - certainly not the extent one has to be in order to be shown by a little kid.

Some bulls and baby steers are probably aired for photos. I've heard of that.  However, over the 25 years (since mid 80s) I've been involved in showing, I've looked at steers at many, many places and never seen any trader/breeder, big or small, try to sell me or anyone else an "aired" steer.  I have had them offer to do it once we bought them, just as part of the process to get them to the end, but never for a show itself.  I've had a few have the famous "butt shrink" after getting them home, but it wasn't due to them "deflating".  More a loss of hair and fat when put on a normal diet as best I could tell unless they were really "roided up" years ago as babies, which I doubt.

Short story for anyone thinking of doing it:  It's not worth messing with.  It's not necessary to win.  It's not why someone is getting beat.  It's an old artifact of how things used to be done in the 70s and 80s and the people that still do it just because that's the way they were taught to do it - by their grandpas in many cases.  It doesn't have a substantial benefit on a calf.  Although it's not torturing an animal anywhere near to the extent that some of these posts speculate, you can get one hurt from kicking the chute when he gets stuck with a needle in a sensitive spot.  You also run the risk of infections from too many subcutaneous injections. 

I do not believe that "oiling" is done any more.  I've never seen that or heard first hand of anyone else doing it.  There's no way it can be done for a terminal show and not get caught. 
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: red on March 04, 2009, 10:19:38 AM
this is how we air our cattle: open all the barn doors & let the wind take care of the rest!  ;)

Red
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: RSC on March 04, 2009, 11:07:20 AM
this is how we air our cattle: open all the barn doors & let the wind take care of the rest!  ;)

Red
Cathy, No Fans or a cooler?

Tony
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: red on March 04, 2009, 12:29:14 PM
this is how we air our cattle: open all the barn doors & let the wind take care of the rest!  ;)

Red
Cathy, No Fans or a cooler?

Tony

we have a fan cage set-up but no cooler.  :P Unless they're going to be show or sale calves we let mother nature provide the airing. Some would say that there is plenty of wind or hot air here!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: Show Heifer on March 05, 2009, 09:07:23 PM
You know I can't stay away from this one.... no matter how hard I tried....

But why is this illegal (airing)  when using illegal drugs (prescription drugs for non-prescription uses) is just as illegal and yet is defending till dying breath? 
Maybe, just maybe : Does it make a difference who is doing what?
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: aj on January 15, 2014, 06:46:18 PM
Would a sonagram type deal pick this practice up?
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: cowman 52 on January 15, 2014, 07:02:35 PM
Sonogram goes blank over air.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: knabe on January 15, 2014, 07:07:32 PM
Sonogram goes blank over air.


is there air in this thread?
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
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Title: Re: Airing Cattle
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Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: aj on January 16, 2014, 08:06:05 AM
So if you are analizing a yearling bull.....if they let you handle them you can tell then.....feeling for scab bumps?
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: vc on January 16, 2014, 09:12:51 AM
AJ, I do not think you can tell until you peal the hide off of one, unless they aired it recently. It is my understanding that the pocket fills up with fat over time.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: knabe on January 16, 2014, 09:15:53 AM
This is a more critical problem.

http://www.dhmo.org/milk.html (http://www.dhmo.org/milk.html)
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: cowman 52 on January 16, 2014, 04:21:57 PM
Once upon a time, the preferred method was oil, a set of needles of all sizes, shapes, and lengths.  The reciipe was quite involved but if you ever heard the sound of someone slapping an oiled critter, you never forgot it. It ain't changed much,  but I'm not real sure there are many that could do the same quality of work the old timers from the 60's and before did.  I'm sure some have tried, am also sure many have failed.  This was and still is done out behind the barn on Sunday when no one Would be around to spill the beans in case of a disgruntled employee.  So just because someone said they were aired, don't make it so.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: Wild Bill Doty on June 30, 2021, 09:34:09 PM
If I find out that people have aired cattle, you better be prepared for a lawsuit and some negative comments from majority of the livestock world. Possibly the end to your sale days.
To plainly explain what airing is, its torture.
I will actively hunt y’all down.
We can be competitive, but there are lines we do not cross.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: Steve123 on July 01, 2021, 07:35:41 AM
If I find out that people have aired cattle, you better be prepared for a lawsuit and some negative comments from majority of the livestock world. Possibly the end to your sale days.
To plainly explain what airing is, its torture.
I will actively hunt y’all down.
We can be competitive, but there are lines we do not cross.
Wow.....this is your second post? Welcome to Steer Planet. Thanks for taking some of the "boring" out of this board. Keep searching old threads I can't wait to see your next posts. I think there are a couple on cosmetic dehorning.
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: knabe on July 01, 2021, 09:09:14 AM
If I find out that people have aired cattle, you better be prepared for a lawsuit and some negative comments from majority of the livestock world. Possibly the end to your sale days.
To plainly explain what airing is, its torture.
I will actively hunt y’all down.
We can be competitive, but there are lines we do not cross.

What about breast implants or botox, reassignment surgery, sewing sheaths in the Middle East.


Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: aj on October 10, 2021, 11:53:25 AM
bump
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: knabe on October 12, 2021, 03:16:30 PM
complaining about pha carriers but taking them to denver.


bump
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: Tallcool1 on October 14, 2021, 08:19:19 AM
Nice to see you dip shits are still at it.  Good work!
Title: Re: Airing Cattle
Post by: aj on October 15, 2021, 01:46:45 PM
I hope I don't die before he does.......he will take a whizzer on my grave. Bahahahahahah