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LFFASHOWER

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if I had a newspaper rolled up I"d have to swatch ya SD and say "Bad boy!" lol
 

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It's done to make the cattle look more full, either in their hind end, or the top of their rib, or their flank. It's usually a practice that is VERY much against the rules and I sure wouldn't suggest doing it.  Pumping is one thing, airing is a whole other ball game.
 

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If it's the type of airing I'm thinking your talking about you can go to jail for it. Cruelty to animals
 

ROAD WARRIOR

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I'm sure that many on here know alot more about than they are saying. Having been on the show road for over 30 years I have seen it all. Airing is illegal. Simply put they shoot air under the hide to fill holes that are naturally occurring in cattle in an attempt to make them better. RW
 

OH Breeder

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It is cruel and unusual. THis is second hand as we would NEVER do anything like this.

They make slits in the skin along the rear quarter. They blow air underneath the skin. The skin is pulled away from the tissue underneat. As the tissue scars it builds up under the skin and enhances the shape.

I am not sure why anyone would find this humane in any sense.
 

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Could a guy air up a potload of feeder calves and run them through an auction. Would they weigh more? What does air weigh? ;D
 

ROAD WARRIOR

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It does tear the skin away from the tissue that binds it to the muscle which I'm sure is quite painful. RW
 

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LFFASHOWER said:
Im not sayin your wrong but cruelty to animals dont you have to hurt or harm the animals. What does it do to the meat?

Wait do I need to repeat what I just said. How is what I said not cruel. making slits in the skin and blowing air under it. How do you think that would feel? They don't give a general anesthetic.
 

ROAD WARRIOR

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From what I have seen in the past they use a needle to inject the air under the hide. Several years ago I new a steer jock that would air his every 4 weeks. Oh and by the way - he is no longer in business. RW
 

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LFFASHOWER said:
I dont know I heard that they use needles i have never heard of someone slitting the hide

It can be done with needles. EITHER WAY IT IS WRONG AND ILLEGAL!

Either way, would you like me to peel your skin away from the muscle while you are awake and restrained? With needles or slits in the skin?  Yes they can use a basketball pump too.. anything else you know you would like to share.

 

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LFFASHOWER said:
Sorry for knowing something I am kinda new to this whole cattle thing now reason for you to be a jerk about it

It's not what you know, it's the fact that it is illegal and it sounded like you wanted to find a good way to do it. OH Breeder is very knowledgeable and I would respect his position on this issue, especially since it's illegal.
 

OH Breeder

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LFFASHOWER said:
Sorry for knowing something I am kinda new to this whole cattle thing now reason for you to be a jerk about it


not being a jerk, but when someone offers a advice and you ask a question about something you "didn't know about"yet then contradict the advice- it comes off kind of strange. Re-read what you posted and you will see my point.

There are alot of practices that are done. Just because they are done does make them okay or legal. I have heard of people putting fish hooks in calves teeth at NAILE to keep them from falling out. Using 2 x 4's to knock teeth back in. How comfortable do you think any of this would be? Is the animal injured? No but it is cruel and inhumane.
I personally have had enough surgery for most people in a life time. Any procedure without sedation can be extremely painful like pulling chest tubes out of your chest with no sedation or pain meds. I would not think of inflicting pain on an animal. You can tell a human hey this is going to hurt but an animal doesn't understand and it is wrong.

I assume you are young and a shower. No need to think any of these practices are acceptable. If you want to shorten your career then do not go down those pathways.
 

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If I ever catch somebody airing one of my steers that I raised and sold, they had better be a damn fast runner -- and I Mean FAST.

If there are any one out there that thinks this is not cruelty -- I will demonstrate on that person what it feels like tohave your hide peeled off alive. There are alot of people (?? used in context) doing this  -- I hope they can sleep well at night, most likely doesn't bother them one darn bit. It's all about the money -- how stupid -- there you have it.

You young folks on here had better do more home work than you get from behind the barns -- it just is not right - that's all there is to it!

It is not illegal to be ignorant of procedural ethics -- HOWEVER -- it IS illegal AND imoral to do this once you know the least little bit about cattle. Now that you know, this subject aught to squeezed out of your brain cells and left at that. FFAshower - this is the bottom line, now you know, I hope you will use the info to do what is right and not go down this path!

END OF STORY

Terry
 

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LFFASHOWER said:
No actually I am not a shower but at the County Fair a couple of years ago there was someone that did it and we tried pressing charges but they said it couldnt be proven. And yes I am young starting my own herd.

The right person would be able to tell from a hanging carcass. CSI for animals I am sure there is one. Scaring should definitely appear different in muscling I would think. Good question.

I am not sure you would be able to distinguish it through the naked eye.

I had a guy come and see a steer of ours. He said, if you let me take this animal to XYZ's farm for month  we could make it a champion and have more an ass. I said, no I think you need to keep on moving and preferr you don't come back.
 

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Good jpb OHB -- hope you told him better in real time!

If you were a judge at a major show -- terminal -- as you run your hands over the steer to feel for condition, it is very easy to take the tips of your fingers and run down the out side of the round and thurl -- every couple inches you'd feel a little bump -- like a small scab possibly. Dead give away -- if I were judging that pen, any steer with that feel would be tanked -- and I wouldn't even give a reason. I am that dead set against it.

Terry
 

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Young fitters here on the SP:  First of all, I do not mean to sound condescending.  Look this up in the dictionary...it will serve you well later in life...haha.

If you affiliate yourself with fitters that air or oil your cattle, it does not take long for your peers, mentors and the old lady at the feed store to find out.  First, they will talk about you.  Then people will do their best to distance themselves from you.  Eventually, nobody will bid on your calves in the junior market sale.

Going to the dark side will only pay off for the first purple ribbon.  Then you are toast and people will never take you seriously again. 

I know several traders/fitters that have found families that will buy their "doctored" calves.  Then the families wonder why nobody will associate with them.  I wonder if they think "Doesn't everybody do this?"

Bottom line.....IT IS WRONG, just despicable!    If you cannot find happiness playing with work, genetics and feed, you need to find another hobby.
 

Davis Shorthorns

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The people that do thinkgs like this just sicken me.  Glad that you tried to press charges against them.  Maybe next time they will think twice about doing it at your fair.  I have heard of some larger outfits doing this and other things for shows and it makes me not want to ever do any kind of business with them.

Remember kids, just say no!!!!  in the end it doens't just hurt the cattle. 
 

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My land people,  it is common chat in this business that airing is a practice by some.  The OP was just asking what this process did to improve the animal. No mention that they were considering using this practice.  Nothing wrong with asking about it.  I had to ask how it worked  the first time I heard about it, but it sure didn't mean that I had any intentions of using an inhumane prodedure like this.  I am glad I understand what the process is so that I can stay clear of the people that use it.  The OP is maybe just trying to learn what goes on no sense in hammering them for just inquiring.  Sorry for the vent!

Tony
 
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