Angus Bull Sires Scurred calf

Help Support Steer Planet:

aj

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 5, 2006
Messages
6,420
Location
western kansas
The Shorthorn bull enticer was out of a purebred maine cow.......yet I believe that enticer was asterist free. Predictability is more important than purity. There was so much holstein in some of the Angus in the 90's they were like plus 100 on milk. Alotta chi also. It might be bred out by now.
 

Freddy

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 31, 2007
Messages
2,720
Location
North central -- Nebraska on highway 183 - 30 mi
AJ  said something about breeding the other breeds out ,it takes a lot longer than you imagine ....When I first started into the Charolais they were breeding up percentage cattle to purebreds (31/32) ---I figured it up with 100 head of commercial cows how long it took to get purebred females doing this .
It was about 11-12 years if every thing worked perfect to get 1-2 head ....Now that seems like  a long time ,so before doing something stupid with some purebred cows you want to think things out .....For the people that don't think this could happen ,you need to buy  100 head of reg. Angus cows and get experienced with the facts ....
 

RyanChandler

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 6, 2011
Messages
3,457
Location
Pottsboro, TX
Freddy said:
AJ  said something about breeding the other breeds out ,it takes a lot longer than you imagine ....When I first started into the Charolais they were breeding up percentage cattle to purebreds (31/32) ---I figured it up with 100 head of commercial cows how long it took to get purebred females doing this .
It was about 11-12 years if every thing worked perfect to get 1-2 head ....Now that seems like  a long time ,so before doing something stupid with some purebred cows you want to think things out .....For the people that don't think this could happen ,you need to buy  100 head of reg. Angus cows and get experienced with the facts ....

and females purebred at 15/16.  5 generations for females, 4 for bulls.  So you're right, to transition a herd to purebred status would take about a decade.  I have a picture of a 15/16ths recorded bull from 1966 my grandpa had.  He was a 1/16 brown swiss.  I have some pics of the resulting calves out of hereford mommas too Ill try to find.
 

cowman 52

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 16, 2009
Messages
719
Location
San Angelo Texas
The Texas angus people have tried for years to get shows to accept D N A testing for steers at the majors, reason it wont fly, too many will  cross bred sires will D N A as straight bred.
I remember back in the early 70's. And the blood typing started, a lot of bulls would not type, the dam was no longer among the living, and they would splice it together by using 1/2 sibs,  you take that and the evolution of the pedigrees and I have no doubt the bloodlines became legitimate.
The steer posted some back is out of a Luxon of wye grand daughter and a pine drive son.
Forgive me, but I'm really not convinced that all this " I know x bull is not a something" is written in stone. 
 

thunderdownunder

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 9, 2010
Messages
893
Location
Australia
mccannfarms said:
This Past weekend we had the cows up to freeze brand them and then we blacklegged and did some other stuff to the calves. Anyhow, while running the calves through the chute I noticed that one of the bull calves out of our Reg. Angus herd bull (a Spartan Son) is scurred, the calf's dam is scurred as well (both individuals have very small scurrs). It just surprised me because I had always heard that Angus bulls will always sire polled calves.

Does anyone else know anymore on the topic or had this happen?

Simple- the infusion of Friesian genetics (predominantly) during the "frame craze" to lift the breed from their belt-buckle size.
 

Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 15, 2012
Messages
605
Location
Rio Grande - RS - Brazil
leanbeef said:
Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR said:
Hot post!  (clapping)
Agree with HerefordGuy regarding Way Plantation Angus. A very close inbreed herd became almost homozygous.
HerefordGuy you is right that fake pedigrees occur in low frequencies, agree with you. But if the fake pedigree is from a very popular bull as Big Sky in the Angus or Rodeo Drive in the Shorthorn (are only an examples, I'm not confirming this), this low frequency became a high frequency!
Regarding some personal experiences from many breeders (regarding Big Sky calves, New Yorker and other bulls) I'm afraid, in think that DNA analysis can not be so accurate as I believe!
Hereford Guy do you have DNA analyses about Shorthorns? How breeds were infused others than Maine, Lincoln and Irish. What sires are not really what they claim to be?

Do you mean to say "personal experiences" or "blatant rumors"? You believe what somebody says somebody says over a guy who has looked at the genotype and confirms this bull is not a crossbred?...


I'm not sure is are only rumors, a friend that I have full confidence I cited some cases of pedigrees that are not real. As I am outside the USA and have little knowledge about what they used to "improve" the breed Aberdeen Angus, I believe these people because there is no reason for him to lie.
Either way there are various examples listed here by several different breeders, who are reporting some bull that had unofficially mixture of bloods.
Due to Brazil today is a major importer of Aberdeen Angus genetics with American origin, and of course well known that many poor quality bulls are sent here. I try to only learn more what took place in their country.
So where there are many rumors, some truth may occur.
 

Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 15, 2012
Messages
605
Location
Rio Grande - RS - Brazil
aj said:
The Shorthorn bull enticer was out of a purebred maine cow.......yet I believe that enticer was asterist free. Predictability is more important than purity. There was so much holstein in some of the Angus in the 90's they were like plus 100 on milk. Alotta chi also. It might be bred out by now.

Enticer...holy shi*!
I hear that also Big Mac sire and Gus 80C Grand dam are by Maine Anjou. As well as lots of Millbrook cattle.
 

knabe

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 7, 2007
Messages
13,639
Location
Hollister, CA
Are any of the new black breeds at high % still recognized as not Fullblood or are there insufficient numbers in the Fullblood populations to make a distinction?  Is it easy to calculate how much angus is in them that equals there percentage?

What are some breakdowns of data of known percentage vs what marker distribution says.  Seems to me that would be a nice control.

Maybe get a bull like dmcc body builder and see if he types 50% angus and work up to a high percent animal and see what the regression of % is versus markers.
 
Top