angus defects

what should the AMAA do to prevent angus defects from entering the maine anjou herd?

with more and more angus being bred up to ali, sooner etc, what are people's thoughts?

if you thought tracking and costs to test PHA and TH was annoying, add in the angus defects.

Too late. Angus defects are probably already in the maine breed. Just haven't inbred them enough for them to show up enough to catch someone's attention. Then of course, there is always the possibility of the SSS happening already!

To CONTROL such defects, anything with angus in their pedigree should have to be DNA'd to each defect possible.

From entering?

http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=192393

He's not in there just for fun.

How relevant is are the maines to the beef industry as far as numbers? Isn't 90% of them used strictly for club calf stuff?

Significantly more relevant than Shorthorn or novelty breeds such as Durham Red but still relatively small.

I would agree I always thought it was interesting when asscs registration numbers were listed and ranked. Then you have the whr factor thrown it. I think at obne time maybe 20 years ago Simmis had big numbers. Its also surprising how many reg. herfords there are out there.

Relatively speaking. I would correct carl s.. The Shorthorns would probably be more relavent than Maines, as the Maines derived from Shorthorns in the first place.
On another take. The Maines did it to themselves when they jumped on the bandwagon of trying to make black cattle......Mother Nature has a funny scale of justice doesn't she.

Seems to me that if a heifer is worth making a cow out of, then if she has any suspect animals in her pedigree, it would be a good idea to test for the defect.  Helps to know defects on more than just one breed, cuz it can and will bite you eventually.

carl s. said:

Significantly more relevant than Shorthorn or novelty breeds such as Durham Red but still relatively small.

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Then, I guess a cattleman or cowbelle, could go to the bank....err....the coffee shop.....with the fact that LimiFlex, Simmangus, Balancer, and Black Maines are loaded DOWN with Marble Bone, Water-head, and Curly-calf ( add to this short-nosed dwarf, and Fawn calf) recessive carriers. NOW............what was that some might say about TH?

Like a south-Texas calf..."I'm ALL Ears"!

Sic 'em aj!

GB

It would be argue able that that the Angus defects would be a lot deeper entrenched in commercial cow herds than th by a long shot. Shorthorns were crippled by the black hided myth as far as relevence goes. I think solid color cattle of any color is accepted in salebarns now. I often wondered if commercial cattle people might look back to red cattle cause they were relatyively clean of genetic defects(barring show cattle of course).jmo

aj said:

It would be argue able that that the Angus defects would be a lot deeper entrenched in commercial cow herds than th by a long shot. Shorthorns were crippled by the black hided myth as far as relevence goes. I think solid color cattle of any color is accepted in salebarns now. I often wondered if commercial cattle people might look back to red cattle cause they were relatyively clean of genetic defects(barring show cattle of course).jmo

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AJ,,,,,,,,,,,(sigh)................I feel like we are at a point here on SP, pretty similiar to the scene in the movie "City Slickers", where Bruno Kirby gets fed-up with Daniel Stern's dumbfoundedness and inability to understand Billy Crystal's explanation on how a VCR works.

excerpt..."He don't get it!!!!!!!!!!!! He'll NEVER GET IT!!!!!!!!The cattle can tape something, by now!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Cast Ye not Pearls before Swine.....
GB

BORED=DEFECTS    Rusty

Don't allow any Gar Precision 1680 genetics. This is where all the defects propagated.

AStar said:

Don't allow any Gar Precision 1680 genetics. This is where all the defects propagated.

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Wrong -- NH (waterhead) appears to have started here, but curly calf was earlier in his pedigree.  Fawn calf does not appear to be associated with 1680 nor was marble bone.  Some of these there are no tests for yet.  Cattle of unknown pedigree can be risky -- even the ones with known pedigrees can be risky.  I would rather have at least an idea of what is in my cows' backgrounds than just have a bunch of crossed up mutts.  Papered cattle are a big enough risk.

Just test,its simple.rusty

Does 1680 have two defects then?

1680 is a double carrier of NH and AM.  He was really blessed.  So is Future Direction.

I would say the angus defects shouldn't be worried about most all the popular angus bulls have been tested anything positive doesn't get used in the angus industry or very little use eventually the problem will weed itself out unlike TH and PHA where some people keep breeding them and do nothing to solve the problem. A lot of the carrier females in angus sale people buy and just make commerical cows out of so that will also help eliminate the problem. Also note how maines became black from angus if it wasn't for the angus making them black they too would be just another hobby breed like shorthorns. All breeds have their own problems shorthorns TH maines PHA angus Curly Calf / fawn calf only one is trying to fix it ANGUS

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Wrong -- NH (waterhead) appears to have started here, but curly calf was earlier in his pedigree.  Fawn calf does not appear to be associated with 1680 nor was marble bone.  Some of these there are no tests for yet.  Cattle of unknown pedigree can be risky -- even the ones with known pedigrees can be risky.  I would rather have at least an idea of what is in my cows' backgrounds than just have a bunch of crossed up mutts.  Papered cattle are a big enough risk.

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Can you name any other descendants of Rito 9J9 that have had even 1% of the progeny of 1680? As far as I know 9J9 may have been the first known amc bull but 1680 put am and nh together then had over 40,000 descendants.

I know I got a sale catalog from a Kansas ZGelbvieh breeder. They had some bulls by Dr Analyst. I was thinking this bull was some kinda problem.