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Annual Shorthorn meeting
« on: December 03, 2017, 06:21:53 PM »
Any recorded sessions available? Shocking new stuff?
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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2017, 11:50:39 AM »
I don't know about recorded sessions.   A few items are as follows:
1.  The first calves have arrived in the University of Illinois Herd Sire Test.   151 calves were born,  100%
un-assisted with an average birth weight of 86 pounds from 20 different sires
2.  The most desirable carcass weight is 850 pounds and Shorthorns have gotten a little too small to satisfy that standard.
3.  There is nearly a 25% profit advantage to a three way cross than purebred
4.  14% increase in Senior Memberships,  19% increase in Junior Memberships
5.  30 years ago the typical feed efficiency was 8 pounds feed for 1 pound gain;  today there are some cattle at less than 4 pounds feed for 1 pound gain
6.  AND -  the reason Colin Kaepernick has not signed is because he can't get his helmet on over all that hair!

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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2017, 12:00:31 PM »
I don't know about recorded sessions.   A few items are as follows:
1.  The first calves have arrived in the University of Illinois Herd Sire Test.   151 calves were born,  100%
un-assisted with an average birth weight of 86 pounds from 20 different sires
2.  The most desirable carcass weight is 850 pounds and Shorthorns have gotten a little too small to satisfy that standard.
3.  There is nearly a 25% profit advantage to a three way cross than purebred
4.  14% increase in Senior Memberships,  19% increase in Junior Memberships
5.  30 years ago the typical feed efficiency was 8 pounds feed for 1 pound gain;  today there are some cattle at less than 4 pounds feed for 1 pound gain
6.  AND -  the reason Colin Kaepernick has not signed is because he can't get his helmet on over all that hair!
I thought they only used 15 sires in the Illinois test? 20 units of each to breed 300 cows... plus I just watched the American Rancher video and Montie said 15 were used on that episode.

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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2017, 05:50:32 PM »
 #2 is interesting !!!
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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2017, 07:51:16 PM »
I don't know about recorded sessions.   A few items are as follows:
1.  The first calves have arrived in the University of Illinois Herd Sire Test.   151 calves were born,  100%
un-assisted with an average birth weight of 86 pounds from 20 different sires
2.  The most desirable carcass weight is 850 pounds and Shorthorns have gotten a little too small to satisfy that standard.
3.  There is nearly a 25% profit advantage to a three way cross than purebred
4.  14% increase in Senior Memberships,  19% increase in Junior Memberships
5.  30 years ago the typical feed efficiency was 8 pounds feed for 1 pound gain;  today there are some cattle at less than 4 pounds feed for 1 pound gain
6.  AND -  the reason Colin Kaepernick has not signed is because he can't get his helmet on over all that hair!
I am thinking it takes about a 1400 cow to produce a 1400 steer that will hang a 850 lb. carcass.  Are there many shorthorn cows smaller than that, or is my math wrong?

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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2017, 10:34:07 PM »
You would expect the straight shorthorn to be much less than this 850lb standard.. This number represents the desirable weight for terminal cross steers. 

Most ideal would be to breed 4 frame 1200lb shorthorn cross (f1) cows to 6+ frame terminal growth bulls to arrive at the 850 lb desirable carcass weights. 


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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2017, 08:03:07 AM »
It would be quicker to use shorthorn x Angus or whatever cows to achieve that kind of goal-but very few people in the US want to do that-JIT can fill everybody in how that works up in Canada-there is just a lot more usage of Shorthorns up there-more examples

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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2017, 09:35:51 AM »
I was thinking hanging weight would be about 60% of live weight.  I think there is a correlation between mature cow weight and finished weight of that cows offspring.  I recognize the influence of a terminal sire.  I just was surprised that shorthorns might be too small.  I have what I think is the ideal cow for me.  I thought she was a frame score 4 1250 pound cow.  She has an awesome calf so I weighed them both.  It turns out that she weighed 1380, he weighed 720, without creep.  Maybe I need to weigh more of my cows.

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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2017, 11:43:56 AM »
If bred to a bull with similar genetics, offspring should finish hundred lbs heavier than dam.

Keep in mind, whoever dropped the stat about Shorthorns is only basing their comments on results attained at the tri state feed out which is hardly an accurate representation of the breed as a whole.


If shes raising the calf and not the environment, a 1380ln cow at weaning is well over 1500lbs walking weight in good times. I would suspect both the cows you got from JIT to be at least this size, they both were among the smallest cows in the offering-  take note of this and keep it in mind as a frame of reference when he replies about the whole herd calving unassisted to literally the largest birthweight genetics in the breed.

Might as well just derail this topic now as unless you were privileged to the CLOSED meetings that take place PRIOR to the annual blah blh get together,  then the only information you couldve possibly attained has to do with generic industry information absolutely nothing to do with how the Shorthorn Association plans to better allocate our funds to advance the Shorthorn breed.   I went a few years ago-I mean its a reasonable time if youre just looking to go shoot the **** and have a few drinks with your buddies but if youre going with the expectation of hearing anything of any relevancy to the advancement of Shorthorns, specifically their plan of action, well then youre going to be highly disappointed.   I would compare it to the first and last Shorthorn University I went to where the overwhelming majority of the content youre exposed to has nothing to do with Shorthorns.
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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2017, 03:31:10 PM »
If bred to a bull with similar genetics, offspring should finish hundred lbs heavier than dam.

Keep in mind, whoever dropped the stat about Shorthorns is only basing their comments on results attained at the tri state feed out which is hardly an accurate representation of the breed as a whole.


If shes raising the calf and not the environment, a 1380ln cow at weaning is well over 1500lbs walking weight in good times. I would suspect both the cows you got from JIT to be at least this size, they both were among the smallest cows in the offering-  take note of this and keep it in mind as a frame of reference when he replies about the whole herd calving unassisted to literally the largest birthweight genetics in the breed.

Might as well just derail this topic now as unless you were privileged to the CLOSED meetings that take place PRIOR to the annual blah blh get together,  then the only information you couldve possibly attained has to do with generic industry information absolutely nothing to do with how the Shorthorn Association plans to better allocate our funds to advance the Shorthorn breed.   I went a few years ago-I mean its a reasonable time if youre just looking to go shoot the **** and have a few drinks with your buddies but if youre going with the expectation of hearing anything of any relevancy to the advancement of Shorthorns, specifically their plan of action, well then youre going to be highly disappointed.   I would compare it to the first and last Shorthorn University I went to where the overwhelming majority of the content youre exposed to has nothing to do with Shorthorns.
The sire of the calf I mentioned is DMH MINN MAX LEARER who is maybe a frame score four, maybe not that big.  If the calf was sired by Saskvalley Blue Jeans, I believe that calf would finish much heavier than the mother.  As for the two Sparkle cows, they are much larger than anything I have.  They are also some of the deepest and thickest cows that also I believe some of the easiest fleshing cows that I have seen.  It is that fleshing trait and the capacity that they have that attracted me too them.  I believe I have the tools to transfer that flesh to my commercial herd without adding too much frame.

As for the association, all I expect from them is to keep track of the pedigrees.  I can't see much interest in the real world cattle business.   

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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2017, 07:16:56 PM »
If bred to a bull with similar genetics, offspring should finish hundred lbs heavier than dam.

Keep in mind, whoever dropped the stat about Shorthorns is only basing their comments on results attained at the tri state feed out which is hardly an accurate representation of the breed as a whole.


 If shes raising the calf and not the environment, a 1380ln cow at weaning is well over 1500lbs walking weight in good times. I would suspect both the cows you got from JIT to be at least this size, they both were among the smallest cows in the offering-  take note of this and keep it in mind as a frame of reference when he replies about the whole herd calving unassisted to literally the largest birthweight genetics in the breed. //////      (clapping) (clapping) (pop) O0



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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2017, 08:07:00 PM »
I don't know that the association is to blame for anything. Targets conditions and corn prices change over the years. The dna testing fascinates me. I just wonder......that in the future......beef as "a commodity" might change into more branded products for one thing.
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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2017, 08:09:52 PM »
If each breed.......became mostly a branded product..........?
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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2017, 07:23:39 AM »
There should be legit taste tests -a scientific assessment doesn't say anything about which burger tastes better to the end user O0

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Re: Annual Shorthorn meeting
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2017, 07:50:19 AM »
There should be legit taste tests -a scientific assessment doesn't say anything about which burger tastes better to the end user O0


There sort of already is.  They are called restaurants.

 

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