Are People Nuts???

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6M Ranch

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Watching the Exposure sale, first open heifer went through at $57k.  So far they are all into the $teens.  How in the he** do you spend $57k for an open heifer that hasn't produced a single calf?
 

zak

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I was thinking the same thing while watching the sale.Even on the breds 30k for the 1st animal to walk throught ring of the whole sale. And the thing about the Griswald program it doesnt seem like the have cow familys were you can trace back and see what their full sib or maternal sibs have done in the ring and in the pasture.Just seems like in the past couple years they have had some national champion females out of their irish whiskey X angus combo.

Zak
 

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I must say one thing though. It is by far the best sale i have ever seen. The quality of the catalog,pics, and videos is unbelievable.
 

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I would say that some people are nuts, but there are others who can pay large amounts for the heifers they want , simply because they can!  Yes, to some people $50,000 seems like a lot to spend on a female, and yes sometimes it is not real, but I would suggest that it is probably real more times than it is fake. There are lots of people out there who have been very successful, and $50,000 isn't a big amount of money. I think if I had lots of money, I would probably want to own some of the very best rather than just some ordinary cattle.

Is spending $50,000 on a heifer make less sense than spending $50,000 on a new truck? If you manage and promote a heifer properly, a person can make this amount of money back in fairly short order. Personally, I have several cows that have passed $50,000 in sales of offspring and embryos in my herd, and I am far from being rich. One of my donors has generated over $35,000 in embryo sales alone in 2009. So, what would you value her at? I paid $6200 for her when I purchased her, and the calf she was carrying sold a year later for $5000. I am only saying this, to point out that to some of us, this business is just that... a business.

A friend of mine just mentioned to me a couple days ago that he has to pay for his crop inputs by December 31st, and his bill is just over $1 million. I know that there are many farmers in this area that would have that much... or more...  tied up in their grain inputs, and they are also making payments on a few million dollars of machinery as well. My friend told me that his fuel bill during harvest averaged $3200 per day. Now, if I had to chose.... I think I would gamble on buying the $50,000 female rather than gamble big time like this. But that is just me.

When you look back over history, there have always been " people of means" involved in the purebred cattle business. When I was growing up, I think there was far more than there are now. I think we should be pleased they are involved. You may never sell an animal to one of these people, but the money they spend does seem to trickle down through the industry in some manner.
 

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It seems to me that some of the same people buy the high sellers. I am not saying that the prices are not real but if you follow some of the sales the same people are at them and some of the high sellers go home with them.  ;) ;)
 

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justintime said:
I would say that some people are nuts, but there are others who can pay large amounts for the heifers they want , simply because they can!  Yes, to some people $50,000 seems like a lot to spend on a female, and yes sometimes it is not real, but I would suggest that it is probably real more times than it is fake. There are lots of people out there who have been very successful, and $50,000 isn't a big amount of money. I think if I had lots of money, I would probably want to own some of the very best rather than just some ordinary cattle.

Is spending $50,000 on a heifer make less sense than spending $50,000 on a new truck? If you manage and promote a heifer properly, a person can make this amount of money back in fairly short order. Personally, I have several cows that have passed $50,000 in sales of offspring and embryos in my herd, and I am far from being rich. One of my donors has generated over $35,000 in embryo sales alone in 2009. So, what would you value her at? I paid $6200 for her when I purchased her, and the calf she was carrying sold a year later for $5000. I am only saying this, to point out that to some of us, this business is just that... a business.

A friend of mine just mentioned to me a couple days ago that he has to pay for his crop inputs by December 31st, and his bill is just over $1 million. I know that there are many farmers in this area that would have that much... or more...  tied up in their grain inputs, and they are also making payments on a few million dollars of machinery as well. My friend told me that his fuel bill during harvest averaged $3200 per day. Now, if I had to chose.... I think I would gamble on buying the $50,000 female rather than gamble big time like this. But that is just me.

When you look back over history, there have always been " people of means" involved in the purebred cattle business. When I was growing up, I think there was far more than there are now. I think we should be pleased they are involved. You may never sell an animal to one of these people, but the money they spend does seem to trickle down through the industry in some manner.

Yeah, what Grant says. He always says things better than I ever could anyway. :) The analogy between the heifer and the truck is a good one. The truck just loses value. If that bull someone mentioned selling at McKays today sells 5000 units of semen (not that much) the guy who bought the half  is in the black. If you don't have a lot to lose, you better be as sure as you can be, but big money doesn't always mean a poor business decision.
 

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I was looking back through some old files this morning, and came across some old income tax files. In 1974, We had a production sale with a couple other breeders and we averaged $2644 on our 18 head in it. If I had a sale of females and averaged $2644 today, I would consider it a success. I was also looking at some receipts in this file and noticed that I had purchased a new Chev 3/4 ton 4X4 truck and a new 20 ft Lundgren gooseneck stock trailer that fall, for a grand total of $7966 ( for both the truck and trailer). My dad had purchased a 100 horse tractor ( new) for $7800 . I remember this well, as he was certain he had lost his mind and would never be able to pay for it. Last week I made my last payment on a 120 horse tractor that had a list price of $102,000 when it was purchased 5 years ago.

1974 was my second year of farming full time, and from my income tax statement, I saw that my fuel purchases for the year, both for my farming and personal use was $1232.  Now it costs me that much just to fill my diesel tank once.

I could not help but think that something is very wrong with this picture. What is wrong is our cattle prices have not kept pace with the costs of everything else we have to buy. Back then, it was possible for a family to live off 75-80 good cows. Now that is simply impossible without off farm income, and usually with both the husband and wife working in town. I can only remember one or two farm wives in my community that had jobs when I was growing up. Now I cannot think of any that don't work off the farm. Times have changed for sure.... and I am left wondering if it is for the better.
 

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Its late September and we are trying to get straw baled and like always we have 10 other things on the go. I am driving along and "Thank God I'm a country boy" is on the radio. I look at the radio and it is 2:56 and NOT in the afternoon and I am on my way to work. The only reason it is even possible is because my wife is the one who feeds, A.I's, calves out the cows, cuts hay, bales, combines, and once the calves are tie broke does EVERYTHING to get them ready for the shows. And the days when I can't find anything including my mind gets me through that also.  This is what a lot of people would call "NUTS" and I wonder about it myself many days and if it will ever pay off!!!!!!!!         
 

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