Asterisk free shorthorn

Here is a new photo of Perfect Storm on pasture! I have heard his calving ease is fine.

Thanks for posting that new pic of Storm 11U. He looks very well in it. I plan to head over for Agribition this year so hopefully I will get to see him in the fllesh this Autumn.

Perfect Storm has got to be one of the best looking bulls I've seen on steerplanet. Who has him?

I wear glasses to read and now I have to blow these PICS up. JTM I thought the same thing one of the better bulls I have seen  ( along with Complete, 329, and CO)

the astericks game continues if you check the pedigrees for all the pureist in the world you will find BANNER OLD OAK 22A X-GM461952-  , the 'g' is from the old 'graded up program here in Canada, it was replaced by the Appendix program to assit the ease of herd book terminalogy in North America.
He seems to have been a very prepotent sire.

Okotoks said:

Here is a new photo of Perfect Storm on pasture! I have heard his calving ease is fine.

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wow!  he's a looker! 

JTM said:

Perfect Storm has got to be one of the best looking bulls I've seen on steerplanet. Who has him?

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Alta Cedar Perfect Storm 11U
Sire: Alta Cedar Prairie Storm 47R
Dam: Alta Cedar Silver Maisie 59S
DOB: January 21, 2008
Reg #: CSA X-[CAN]M473822
Polled • TH & PHA free
Owned by Alta Cedar Shorthorns, Dale Stith, Harvest, AL and Brad Fahrmeier, Lexington, MO

It's great to see bulls of quality coming to the fore besides these big hard fleshed beasts that for so long seemed to be the norm in the breed. Whilst we have imported quality bulls from Canada like Eionmor Mr Gus 80C, Eionmor Ultra 8C, Alta Cedar Lad's Legacy 14P, Samurai 46T, Code Red 24s and Perfect Storm 11U, some other Irish breeders have in my opinion not been so selective in their choices. Recently an A.I. company here have imported semen from Waukaru Coppertop 464 from America. In my opinion HORRENDOUS. Sickle hocked, plain and no second quarter to speak of. See a clip of him on Youtube to see for yourselves. The Irish Shorthorn Society also imported semen from the Canadian Buffalo Lake Blockbuster. Again in my opinion a big hard fleshed bull. He only bred one animal of note here. We have also had to see the results of Winalot Rodney 1R. To my mind his progeny resemble Clydesdale foals.

I said in another post and again today I feel that HC Touchdown would really do well on the Irish cattle-at least ones similar to those I saw over there-He has the right kind of clean Improver based Irish-and moderate Okie-Irish (Taylor JG etc) breeding along with rodeo-on one of the b est females Guiness ever produced (Deertrail Mona Lisa) and-Red Alert by way of Igloo too.I just like his pedigree-and all the thick cattle-along with the more realistic commercial type he is. O0

Why is it in every other shorthorn thread someone has to bring up Touchdown?  Do the irish cattle really need more color and more birthweight?  The fact that Touchdown has been mentioned here as a heifer bull totally astounds me! I happened to buy a potload of registered shorthorn cows that were all bred to Last Call sons.  I didnt like the fact that they were bred this way but there were some awesome cows in the group so I bit. These bulls would be paternal brothers to Touchdown.  For those of you who don't know already, Last Call is a Studers Pretender 96th out of a Rodeo Drive cow.  There is nothing light birthweight or calving ease about this pedigree, PERIOD.  I was extremely lucky that the cows I bought have pelvises like elephants because nearly all the calves I got from the Last Call bulls were humungous.  The largest one was 141 pounds at birth, granted out of a huge cow.  But it wasnt all the cow as I bred her back to a GFS Red Cloud 7026 son the first year and got a 88 pound heifer.  She had a 95 pound heifer this year out of JSF Allegiance.  Not small at 95 but definitely not no 141 pound freak!  Maybe Touchdown wasnt huge at birth, maybe he is out of a light birthweight cow.  But wouldnt that then be a fire and ice mating?  :-\

I geuss they bring up Touchdown because they like him. He is their kind of animal. He wasn't brought up as a heifer bull, I think you have your threads mixed up. You could ask why does every thread have to bring up 329, CO, JPJ & all these other bulls that you , TGC & Sue own or like . Because some people must like them for one reason or another. Why get tore up over it , if it's not affecting you. 

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Why is it in every other shorthorn thread someone has to bring up Touchdown?  Do the irish cattle really need more color and more birthweight?  The fact that Touchdown has been mentioned here as a heifer bull totally astounds me! I happened to buy a potload of registered shorthorn cows that were all bred to Last Call sons.  I didnt like the fact that they were bred this way but there were some awesome cows in the group so I bit. These bulls would be paternal brothers to Touchdown.  For those of you who don't know already, Last Call is a Studers Pretender 96th out of a Rodeo Drive cow.  There is nothing light birthweight or calving ease about this pedigree, PERIOD.  I was extremely lucky that the cows I bought have pelvises like elephants because nearly all the calves I got from the Last Call bulls were humungous.  The largest one was 141 pounds at birth, granted out of a huge cow.  But it wasnt all the cow as I bred her back to a GFS Red Cloud 7026 son the first year and got a 88 pound heifer.  She had a 95 pound heifer this year out of JSF Allegiance.  Not small at 95 but definitely not no 141 pound freak!  Maybe Touchdown wasnt huge at birth, maybe he is out of a light birthweight cow.  But wouldnt that then be a fire and ice mating?   :-\

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Seeing A&T has brought up Touchdown in a thread about asterisk free Shorthorns, is a bit confusing, but seeing that I bred him and I am a partner with Shady Lane in owning him, I thought I should respond. Touchdown was an ET calf  that weighed 82 lbs at birth. I weighed him as soon as he was dry, and I was a bit surprised that his BW was that much as he looked pretty tiny. Even at birth he was a bit unique as he was smaller framed but was already showing more thickness than normal. He was only 2 months old, when he was sold to LA Land and Cattle Co, who were mainly in the Charolais and Limousin breeds but they also had a couple of Shorthorn females. Personally, I was a bit unsure about Touchdown at this age, but they insisted on wanting a price on him. They said they had never seen a calf of any breed that had so much natural muscle expression at such an early age, especially in his lower quarter.LA Land and Cattle, developed him and he went on to become Canadian National Champion bull in 2009. Shady Lane and ourselves decided to try to buy him back and it took a few months of dealing to get it done, but we eventually got him purchased. Guess this just proves again.... that some bloodlines can do different things in different places. Touchdown is a moderate framed bull that is maturing into a tremendously thick made sire. He may not be perfect, but I think he offers another piece of the puzzle in improving some traits in our cattle.

There are only a few bulls in any breed, that I consider to be true heifer bulls, as so many other factors can affect calving ease and birth weights. In the case lof Touchdown, we have only assisted one heifer at calving and it was a slight malpresentation, but this birth was assisted. In 2010, the heaviest Touchdown calf we had was 85 lbs and he was out of a Salute daughter.In 2011, we did have two TD calves that weighed 95 lbs out of cows. All his calves, with the exception of the one from a heifer were unassisted. I have had a number of people ask me if he can be used on heifers, and I am cautious to say " Yes" simply because of the many other factors involved, but I tell people that in my herd, I am using him on heifers, but I recommend a bit of caution, just like I would for many other sires.
Touchdown's color may not be for some breeders,but here in Canada, roans are beccoming more and more popular, I just delivered 4 light roan bulls to a commercial herd in Alberta to breed 120 black baldy heifers. Also in our herd, Last Call was extremely easy calving, and we have never had a calf even approach 100 lbs at birth. Looking back in my records, most were in the 80s and a few in the low 90s. They were definitely smaller framed and have a very good muscle pattern. His daughters are very moderate framed cows with excellent udders. I am hoping the Touchdown daughters are as good, and I think they will be. Touchdown's first bull calves, have developed into moderate framed bulls with lots of substance and they are easy fleshing. We have a bunch more this year, and we will see how they develop, but right now they are looking the same.
I would be the first to say that Touchdown is not a bull for every person to use. Here where I live, moderate framed red bulls are a bit tougher to sell, in fact that is all I have left in the  bull pen. That's why it is important to have genetic choices and we don't have to be all chasing the same thing

Birth weight is definitely something that needs to be kept under watch in the breed. Whilst progress has been made in adding thickness and muscle whilst retaining the breeds famed maternal traits we can not let a thing like high birth weights undo all the good work that has been done to get the breed back to favour with the commercial breeders. The Shorthorn is a maternal breed and the commercial breeders main interest in them is to breed replacement females from within the herd. Birth weight is a highly heritable trait and if a calf is out of a high birth weight sire we can't be surprised at having to pull or worse still a section. Over here the breed is getting increased usage on first calving beef heifers. Now that we are getting our foot in the door once again we don't want it slammed in our face over something which is entirely in our control

I hope that Touchdown is calving ease sire. I read the articles in shorthorn country....."HC FL Touchdown 123T is one of the Horseshoe Creek herd bulls working the pasture. He is an easy calving sire with all of his calves being born unassisted and weighing 85 lbs or less at birth."

I used four different calving ease sires this year to see if I could find a replacement for Gizmo. I will let you all know how that turns out. I used him on a larger made Jazz x Ace Of Diamonds x Rodeo Drive heifer.

OH Breeder said:

I hope that Touchdown is calving ease sire. I read the articles in shorthorn country....."HC FL Touchdown 123T is one of the Horseshoe Creek herd bulls working the pasture. He is an easy calving sire with all of his calves being born unassisted and weighing 85 lbs or less at birth."

I used four different calving ease sires this year to see if I could find a replacement for Gizmo. I will let you all know how that turns out. I used him on a larger made Jazz x Ace Of Diamonds x Rodeo Drive heifer.

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Oh Breeder, that is exactly why always hesitate to promote a bull as safe for heifers, as there are lots of different types of heifers out there, with lots of different genetics in their backgrounds. I have only used Touchdown on a few cows that have any Trump breeding, and the calves have had moderate BWs. I have not used him on any heifers with Trump so how he will work on them is still debatable. Like I said earlier, the heaviest BW last year was 85 lbs but we did have a couple at 95 lb this year out of cows. How particular bulls work in different herds oftentimes makes me scratch my head. One example of this is with Gizmo. I purchased 10 straws of Gizmo a few years ago and used 4 straws. I got 3 calves... 2 bulls and 1 heifer. Both bull calves were well over the 110 lb BW limit I have in my herd, and both were pretty decent pulls, so both were banded. My experience with Gizmo, would suggest he is not a calving ease sire, but I know almost everyone else who has used him has been pleased with the calving ease.The heifer calf was smaller and was born unassisted, but she was not kept as a replacement as she just never grew very well ( which may not have been the sire's fault at all) So I still have 6 straws and every year I tell myself that I should try it again and see if I can get some lower BW bulls from Gizmo. So far, it is still in my tanks.

Well-having been partners with Ed and Lawrence Grathwohl since 1990-I think I want to set some things strait about the Mona Lisa cow they sold to Hoyts-and about Last Call-in general. In the first place-she was a Guiness out of a Marvel Cow-and a 3/4 if not full sib in blood to Wallstreet and Goliath-which are probably before A and Ts time-but ARE STILL IN USE TODAY-and for the most part-produced alot of calving ease cattle-the dam of Byland Budlight is one of hundreds-when you consider how many Hoyt Desert Rats were daughters.This aside from the full sibs,daughters  etc Deertrail had up to the passing of Ed. I saw em for 19 years.That cow had llegitimate below 1 calving ease EPDS-even being out of Rodeo. Shadybrook Traildriver was a 0 as  was Gater-who was a Rodeo out of a gregg-guiness Hope (HS HOPE) so the Rodeo myth of cow killing is out the window due to hundreds of recorded births out of these 2 bulls alone-The  Mona Lisa-Hope cows-were related by Guiness-and dual-Gregg on the hope-Marvel Stylish on Mona Lisa. Last Call goes back to 80C-and maybe just as importantly-theTexas- Oklahoma Irish-with a touch of Maine cattle-that were really like range cattle-and had to calve-and make it in harsh conditions PS-Deertrail was no picnic either.Ive been able to get some of that breeding-and they are stone survivors-Sorry dude-if you got monsters out of Last Call (or if you even got them bred-lotta bad semen-and another subject) then the cows were part of the equation-too many proven matings that point in the opposite direction-Last Calls Son-RS After Hours-may be the best commercially oriented bull Kimmerling ever used-I got along well with him too. Given the amount of breeders that depend upon JITs breeding-I wouldthink that a female could have a calf out of Touchdown, it would not be as small as a CO-but would be shaped right-and would certainly have performance      along with the look a purebred NON-clique-resonable CE non- broken record breeder is trying to produce.  O0O0

Brasky
Oh breeder brought up a good asterikk free bull on this thread.... " Gizmo" or Elbee Leader is a very good option. I didnt know he was available in canada?  Do you live in Canada??

Another good option is a "gizmo son" called Elbee Wymore- u.s. only

sue said:

Brasky
Oh breeder brought up a good asterikk free bull on this thread.... " Gizmo" or Elbee Leader is a very good option. I didnt know he was available in canada?  Do you live in Canada??

Another good option is a "gizmo son" called Elbee Wymore- u.s. only

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Sue, Semex brought in a small shipment of Gizmo semen into Canada several years ago,  and it was sold out pretty quickly. I can't remember exactly why they never brought any more in but I think the reason was that there was not any more that was cleared for export at that time.

Doc said:

I geuss they bring up Touchdown because they like him. He is their kind of animal. He wasn't brought up as a heifer bull, I think you have your threads mixed up. You could ask why does every thread have to bring up 329, CO, JPJ & all these other bulls that you , TGC & Sue own or like . Because some people must like them for one reason or another. Why get tore up over it , if it's not affecting you. 

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Doc. once again, you got ur facts wrong. I have never used JPJ. Maybe 329, CO get brought up because people like them to. We are not the only folks to bring him up. Not everybody has to raise trumps to sell to 4H kids. It affects us all. If you dont see that, I dont want to debate with you anymore.

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Doc said:

I geuss they bring up Touchdown because they like him. He is their kind of animal. He wasn't brought up as a heifer bull, I think you have your threads mixed up. You could ask why does every thread have to bring up 329, CO, JPJ & all these other bulls that you , TGC & Sue own or like . Because some people must like them for one reason or another. Why get tore up over it , if it's not affecting you. 

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Doc. once again, you got ur facts wrong. I have never used JPJ. Maybe 329, CO get brought up because people like them to. We are not the only folks to bring him up. Not everybody has to raise trumps to sell to 4H kids. It affects us all. If you dont see that, I dont want to debate with you anymore.

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Well, TGC I didn't say just you now did I? That is the point I'm trying to make, that people bring up & talk about bulls that they like & WORK for them!! I don't think I have ever seen anyone say anything about people talking too much about say 329 in a thread. But, yet for some reason people sure seem to have a problem with JITs' bulls , I don't know if it's because they are jealous that someone else owns them or what? Yes, I raise some Trump bred cattle. Fact is I stuck in some Trump x CF Ruby eggs in about 2 weeks ago. Once again color me dumb for one of two reasons 1) I don't see how something I sell down here in TN that is not solid red, polled & a 4 to 5 frame & has some Trump in its pedigree somewhere is going to be the d_ _nation of the breed  or 2) why I keep wasting my time beating this same horse with you? So I geuss the answer to your question is - I don't see that!!! No hard feelings , it's just I buy, raise & sell what works for me & my customers. I'm sorry that I have affected your world so dramatically. All this time I thought I was a such a small minnow that I couldn't even make a ripple in a mud puddle.