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McM93

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Very interesting reading. I admire the actual owners (Sue and Davis Shorthorns) for getting on here and becoming involved in a dialogue that could have become petty very quickly (and it really did not)... (clapping) The CO x JPJ bull (Rick's?) was cool to look at. I think if people do nothing but breed CO to JPJ females, there will be shorthorn cattle out there with two generations of calving ease and fleshing ability without taking into account the dam side of the pedigree. Even if the dam side is crap rotten, those two can and will fix it in many cases. I thought the You Tube video of the Troubadour son out of a CO daughter showed some versatility. Troubadour, IMO is very clubby in his breeding/progeny I have seen and that son was super easy in his movement. If you can produce a video of two more powerful females than the ones that the flush is being offered, pony up by all means. Their spring of rib goes all the way up the top like very few out there... (thumbsup) This whole Aussie conversation has me absolutely confused. Isn't Australia where those lowlines originated because it never rains inland??? The conversation about the guy from Cattle Visions was equally baffling. He is going to go where the money is people. If he has been out there three times, he loves him...period! I don't see it as a coincidence that in my little clubby magazine Cattle Visions ad, guess who are the two shorthorn bulls pictured? JPJ and CO. I am not seeing this as an either or, but more like a both deal...Maybe I am wrong, but again, TWO generations of calving ease and fleshing ability, AND the fact that CO makes most solid red, it may be time to get on the train or get passed by.

PS: Tim Ohlde nor Sue send me any money... (lol)
 

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McM93 said:
Very interesting reading. I admire the actual owners (Sue and Davis Shorthorns) for getting on here and becoming involved in a dialogue that could have become petty very quickly (and it really did not)... (clapping) The CO x JPJ bull (Rick's?) was cool to look at. I think if people do nothing but breed CO to JPJ females, there will be shorthorn cattle out there with two generations of calving ease and fleshing ability without taking into account the dam side of the pedigree. Even if the dam side is crap rotten, those two can and will fix it in many cases. I thought the You Tube video of the Troubadour son out of a CO daughter showed some versatility. Troubadour, IMO is very clubby in his breeding/progeny I have seen and that son was super easy in his movement. If you can produce a video of two more powerful females than the ones that the flush is being offered, pony up by all means. Their spring of rib goes all the way up the top like very few out there... (thumbsup) This whole Aussie conversation has me absolutely confused. Isn't Australia where those lowlines originated because it never rains inland??? The conversation about the guy from Cattle Visions was equally baffling. He is going to go where the money is people. If he has been out there three times, he loves him...period! I don't see it as a coincidence that in my little clubby magazine Cattle Visions ad, guess who are the two shorthorn bulls pictured? JPJ and CO. I am not seeing this as an either or, but more like a both deal...Maybe I am wrong, but again, TWO generations of calving ease and fleshing ability, AND the fact that CO makes most solid red, it may be time to get on the train or get passed by.

PS: Tim Ohlde nor Sue send me any money... (lol)


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trevorgreycattleco said:
frostback said:
frostback said:
[ As far as the movement, shoulder structure discussion regarding Captain. On three different occassion Lance at CAttle visions has seen captain in person. In fact the video on CV web page has a shot of Lance in the back ground. 
Soooooo someone has seen him 3 times, what does that mean exactally?

Maybe that doesnt mean squat to you but a guy who sees more cattle each year of all breeds and liked the bull enough to own half of him says a hell of alot to me. Maybe frosty if you said you had seen the bull 3 times or if i said I saw the bull 3 times it wouldnt mean much but I will take a guys opinion that runs one of the most successful AI companies out there to the bank.
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Gues I am missing the point but I am with frosty cause I didn't quite follow sues post. Sue could you clarify about lance since you didnt really finish wat you were saying or if you did I missed it
 

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McM93 said:
Very interesting reading. I admire the actual owners (Sue and Davis Shorthorns) for getting on here and becoming involved in a dialogue that could have become petty very quickly (and it really did not)... (clapping) The CO x JPJ bull (Rick's?) was cool to look at. I think if people do nothing but breed CO to JPJ females, there will be shorthorn cattle out there with two generations of calving ease and fleshing ability without taking into account the dam side of the pedigree. Even if the dam side is crap rotten, those two can and will fix it in many cases. I thought the You Tube video of the Troubadour son out of a CO daughter showed some versatility. Troubadour, IMO is very clubby in his breeding/progeny I have seen and that son was super easy in his movement. If you can produce a video of two more powerful females than the ones that the flush is being offered, pony up by all means. Their spring of rib goes all the way up the top like very few out there... (thumbsup) This whole Aussie conversation has me absolutely confused. Isn't Australia where those lowlines originated because it never rains inland??? The conversation about the guy from Cattle Visions was equally baffling. He is going to go where the money is people. If he has been out there three times, he loves him...period! I don't see it as a coincidence that in my little clubby magazine Cattle Visions ad, guess who are the two shorthorn bulls pictured? JPJ and CO. I am not seeing this as an either or, but more like a both deal...Maybe I am wrong, but again, TWO generations of calving ease and fleshing ability, AND the fact that CO makes most solid red, it may be time to get on the train or get passed by.

PS: Tim Ohlde nor Sue send me any money... (lol)
the yellow bull calf was alot of fun this past summer. Troubadour's mgs is Jake's ____ I know it's olhde?
 

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Well if your cows are having to carry your sheep, then why don't you get rid of the sheep & quit your job. Seems pretty easy decision to me. As far as the other goes, the land & cattle had to be paid for somehow. I still say it's a pretty good accomplishment.
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inheritance... is a mighty strong player towards profit- especially in multi generational family farms- free house, free land, free cattle-- just make the future bills- and enjoy the benefits.

I like working for the gov, as does my wife- gotta have a hobby to spend that money on--  can't invest in vacations and travel- may as well invest it in sheep... 

now my parents== they'd rather milk cows.
 

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rarebirdz said:
trevorgreycattleco said:
frostback said:
frostback said:
[ As far as the movement, shoulder structure discussion regarding Captain. On three different occassion Lance at CAttle visions has seen captain in person. In fact the video on CV web page has a shot of Lance in the back ground. 
Soooooo someone has seen him 3 times, what does that mean exactally?

Maybe that doesnt mean squat to you but a guy who sees more cattle each year of all breeds and liked the bull enough to own half of him says a hell of alot to me. Maybe frosty if you said you had seen the bull 3 times or if i said I saw the bull 3 times it wouldnt mean much but I will take a guys opinion that runs one of the most successful AI companies out there to the bank.

Gues I am missing the point but I am with frosty cause I didn't quite follow sues post. Sue could you clarify about lance since you didnt really finish wat you were saying or if you did I missed it
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I am going to take a stab in the dark here Rarebirdz and say that Sue was implying that if Lance (cattlevisions) had seen any structural, soundness issues, or any other problem with Captain that he would not have partnered with her on him and would not be promoting him as he is.  I know if I ran a semen distributing company I would not continuously advertise a bull that I own part of unless I thought very highly of him.  Also captain is running with 50 some cows and has been for the past 75 days as a 6? year old.  A unsound or poor moving bull would not be able to do this. JMO
 

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Sounds like to me both bulls are pretty sound as well as good breeders - CO breeding @6, JPJ will celebrate his 11th b'day in Sept
 

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Sounds like to me both bulls are pretty sound as well as good breeders - CO breeding @6, JPJ will celebrate his 11th b'day in Sept

Where is Captain Obvious covering cows naturally this year? 
 

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Idk - just saw it 3 posts up - assumed they know

Agreed shortdawg.  Lots of longevity in both pedigrees. JPJ granddam and dam are both going.  Captain's sire, grand sire covered cows till they were 11.



Jamie -Captain is in North east  Missouri, the town is not on the map ;) but very near hannibal. Nathan and Kayla Cunningham are apart of a large family operation. Nate has a son of captain too. Captain is covering a group 50 black cows.
 

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sue said:
shortdawg said:
Idk - just saw it 3 posts up - assumed they know

Agreed shortdawg.   Lots of longevity in both pedigrees. JPJ granddam and dam are both going.  Captain's sire, grand sire covered cows till they were 11.



Jamie -Captain is in North east  Missouri, the town is not on the map ;) but very near hannibal. Nathan and Kayla Cunningham are apart of a large family operation. Nate has a son of captain too. Captain is covering a group 50 black cows.

REALLY-- that's less than an hour and half away from me...  Might want to take a trip over there to check him out... Is that NATE53 on here? 
 

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Jamie -Captain is in North east  Missouri, the town is not on the map ;) but very near hannibal. Nathan and Kayla Cunningham are apart of a large family operation. Nate has a son of captain too. Captain is covering a group 50 black cows.

Does this mean that Lakeside Clementine 705T might be bred to Captain Obvious this year? (clapping)

 

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jaimiediamond said:
sue said:
Jamie -Captain is in North east  Missouri, the town is not on the map ;) but very near hannibal. Nathan and Kayla Cunningham are apart of a large family operation. Nate has a son of captain too. Captain is covering a group 50 black cows.

Does this mean that Lakeside Clementine 705T might be bred to Captain Obvious this year? (clapping)

i think she lives in OH
 

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Cut the BS said:
jaimiediamond said:
sue said:
Jamie -Captain is in North east  Missouri, the town is not on the map ;) but very near hannibal. Nathan and Kayla Cunningham are apart of a large family operation. Nate has a son of captain too. Captain is covering a group 50 black cows.

Does this mean that Lakeside Clementine 705T might be bred to Captain Obvious this year? (clapping)

i think she lives in OH

She does live in Ohio and she is a spring calver,  Captain is running with a group of falls right now. 
Jamie -  does this mean you would be interested in progeny of a mating of Lakeside Clementine 705T to Captain Obvious?
 

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"She does live in Ohio and she is a spring calver,  Captain is running with a group of falls right now.  
Jamie -  does this mean you would be interested in progeny of a mating of Lakeside Clementine 705T to Captain Obvious?"




Saw Clementine's Son x Captain last summer. He was nice looking dude. very masculine some natural thickness and his momma looked great too.
 

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"She does live in Ohio and she is a spring calver,  Captain is running with a group of falls right now.  
Jamie -  does this mean you would be interested in progeny of a mating of Lakeside Clementine 705T to Captain Obvious?"




Saw Clementine's Son x Captain last summer. He was nice looking dude. very masculine some natural thickness and his momma looked great too.
That is a 329 bull calf you saw last summer. He does look like a chunk.
 

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Jaimie, I have a full sib to Lakeside Clementine 705T in my herd
She is Lakeside Clementine 813U and is turning into a pretty good cow.
Bred to calve this spring to my Muridale Bonanza 85W bull
She is at Jamie's Shady Lane farm at Mortlach

She could be flushed to CO if I can get his semen in Canada
 

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nate53 said:
Cut the BS said:
jaimiediamond said:
sue said:
Jamie -Captain is in North east  Missouri, the town is not on the map ;) but very near hannibal. Nathan and Kayla Cunningham are apart of a large family operation. Nate has a son of captain too. Captain is covering a group 50 black cows.

Does this mean that Lakeside Clementine 705T might be bred to Captain Obvious this year? (clapping)

i think she lives in OH

She does live in Ohio and she is a spring calver,  Captain is running with a group of falls right now. 
Jamie -  does this mean you would be interested in progeny of a mating of Lakeside Clementine 705T to Captain Obvious?

Actually if I were to pick a breeding for Clementine 705T I probably would breed her to the Northern Legend 3N bull as it would be a neat blend of Canadian and American genetics. I know Braun Ranches are excited about 4 full sib heifer calves ( 3ET and 1 natural) out of Northern legend 3N cow and sired by Alta Cedar Ultimate 130K (grandsire of Clementine!)I do admit that I would be very interested to see what she would do if mated to CO as she has been quite the producer rarely missing.  With that said I am broke due to my excessive purchasing 2011 edition (2 flushes, 2 heifer calves, 1 yearling, 1 cow and some embryos)... I will be posting a picture on Checking cattle pictures of the Lazy H J heifer and her new bull calf fondly known as Doug...
 

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uluru said:
Jaimie, I have a full sib to Lakeside Clementine 705T in my herd
She is Lakeside Clementine 813U and is turning into a pretty good cow.
Bred to calve this spring to my Muridale Bonanza 85W bull
She is at Jamie's Shady Lane farm at Mortlach

She could be flushed to CO if I can get his semen in Canada

No Captain semen in Canada... you and Matlocks' have a corner on the market up there !!


 
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