A&T Renegade 124 calves and video

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A&T Renegades first calf hit the ground today! It's very exciting because of the performance of the first calf sired by him. The calf was a bull calf out of a DF Waco x MWF Ruth's Joy (PB maine). He was born unassisted and got up and nursed unassisted too. Don't know his birthweight yet. A very exciting fact about this birth is the fact that it was 8 days early and on a bull calf. It's a good start for Renegade...
 

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Couple more pictures of him dried off.
 

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A&T Renegade's second calf has arrived! Another bull calf born unassisted and got up and nursed on his own. 86 lb bw and was born 6 days early! That's two bull calves out of Shorthorn show genetics born an average of 7 days early, unassisted, and average of 84.5 lbs. It's a good start!
 

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Duncraggan

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Surely guys, 'nursed unassisted' should be the norm, not the exception!

I only calve about 60-70 cows but usually only get less than one heifer a year, on average, that doesn't nurse straight away, and then she gets a black mark for the future!

Throw the difficult cows out, or, at best, give the heifers a chance.

I always wondered why my father culled (different breed) what I believed to be good cows for reasons like, temperament, difficult calving, abortions, born dead calves, malformed calves, bottle teats, difficulty in nursing, as well as low weaning weights!  Now, after ten years on my own, I see why!

After having started with what I believe was a number of good 'cow families', I am now down to just over half of what I started with, just more of the dependable ones!

I haven't got to culling cows that have poor progeny, if they calve every year, as my stocking numbers were not at capacity until this year, but will be more ruthless in 2013.  So far, the progeny only gets thrown out on their own performance.

It only makes sense to throw out the 'difficult' cattle, as cattle breeding should be a pleasure, not a 'job'!
 
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Duncraggan said:
Surely guys, 'nursed unassisted' should be the norm, not the exception!

I only calve about 60-70 cows but usually only get less than one heifer a year, on average, that doesn't nurse straight away, and then she gets a black mark for the future!

Throw the difficult cows out, or, at best, give the heifers a chance.

I always wondered why my father culled (different breed) what I believed to be good cows for reasons like, temperament, difficult calving, abortions, born dead calves, malformed calves, bottle teats, difficulty in nursing, as well as low weaning weights!  Now, after ten years on my own, I see why!

After having started with what I believe was a number of good 'cow families', I am now down to just over half of what I started with, just more of the dependable ones!

I haven't got to culling cows that have poor progeny, if they calve every year, as my stocking numbers were not at capacity until this year, but will be more ruthless in 2013.  So far, the progeny only gets thrown out on their own performance.

It only makes sense to throw out the 'difficult' cattle, as cattle breeding should be a pleasure, not a 'job'!
Surely yes, calving unassisted should be the norm. I'm happy for you, I'm doing my best to get there...
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
Id like to see what this bull looks like-theres some oldies in that pedigree-I still have some Sprys Cyclone-got it in 1992 or 3 as I remember O0
Kind of getting away from the thread. Here are pics of Royal Piper as a calf and at 16 months.
 

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I hope the calves are built better then the Piper bull himself. Those pics don't do a thing for me. No guts. Long legged. He just doesn't looked balanced to me.
 

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trevorgreycattleco said:
I hope the calves are built better then the Piper bull himself. Those pics don't do a thing for me. No guts. Long legged. He just doesn't looked balanced to me.

I have to agree on the pictures of Piper but he is long hipped and deep flanked and they are July photos with no extra hair. Piper produced some pretty impressive calves. His heifers which are deep, thick, with beautiful heads.  The bulls last year stood out by a lot, with style, thickness, as well as performance. This is something I noticed again this year with the Eionmor bulls on test, a lot of which pattern similarly to Marquis. 

Renegade I think is going to add a lot of fabulous characteristics to many herds in the future congratulations to JTM
 

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trevorgreycattleco said:
I hope the calves are built better then the Piper bull himself. Those pics don't do a thing for me. No guts. Long legged. He just doesn't looked balanced to me.

What have you raised??
 

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86G is considerably better than either 80C or this Piper bull.   Anytime I see a bull described as long hipped and deep flanked, I immediately translate that to flat sided and narrow based- cattle that look good from the profile (only).  If all three of them were competing in a class at Ft Worth yesterday, the judge would have said "Neither 80c or Piper have the volume, capacity, or overall mass to compete with 86G.  There's just not enough of of either one of them to place any higher."   86G looks like a beef bull.  W/o question JTMs bull has the better MGS.
 

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DLF said:
trevorgreycattleco said:
I hope the calves are built better then the Piper bull himself. Those pics don't do a thing for me. No guts. Long legged. He just doesn't looked balanced to me.

What have you raised??

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86G is considerably better than either 80C or this Piper bull.  Anytime I see a bull described as long hipped and deep flanked, I immediately translate that to flat sided and narrow based- cattle that look good from the profile (only).  If all three of them were competing in a class at Ft Worth yesterday, the judge would have said "Neither 80c or Piper have the volume, capacity, or overall mass to compete with 86G.  There's just not enough of of either one of them to place any higher."  86G looks like a beef bull.  W/o question JTMs bull has the better MGS.

I can assure that the Piper bull was not flat sided.  I am heading to check out the Eionmor bulls in the next week and I will post some pictures of Piper sons.  Piper was never photographed as a mature bull so to compare a 16 month old in July after breeding season to 86G as a mature bull is difficult at best.    As for 80C he also was not flat sided.  Eionmor have an excellent program, their cattle have tons of volume and depth.
 
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