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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2010, 11:08:29 PM »
Found this old thread, found it interesting. JIT how is that heifer doing you were breeding up from a angus?
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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2010, 08:48:06 AM »
Found this old thread, found it interesting. JIT how is that heifer doing you were breeding up from a angus?


You had to bring this heifer up!!!   No she turned out to be a great heifer.... until she died!   The heifer I pictured in this thread, continued to develop through the winter, and she was one of the best yearling heifers on the farm. Actually she was one of the best heifers I had raised in many years. One morning in early June I went out to do a heat check as I was AI breeding some of the heifers. As I approached the heifers, I saw this heifer and saw she was " very full". When I got to her, I saw she was bloated and in some distress. I tried to walk her up to the feedlot, but I could see she was getting bigger and harder.I tried to push on her side to get some of the gas released by her belching. She did belch a couple times, and released some gas but soon she was getting so hard she was as tight as a drum. I did not even have my jack knife that morning so I could drive it into her and let some gas out. I knew I was in trouble when she started to lie down and I decided my only chance was to try to get to the feedlot and get a trocar and get some of this pressure off. I jumped into the truck and drove like an idiot to the feedlot, which was not very far away, maybe 500-600 yards. I grabbed the trocar and headed back only to find a dead heifer when I got there. I doubt if it was 3 minutes since I left her.
I was planning to show her in the Shorthorn plus show at Agribition and she would have been very competitive. Instead, she got buried.
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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #47 on: August 28, 2010, 11:43:50 AM »
Found this old thread, found it interesting. JIT how is that heifer doing you were breeding up from a angus?


You had to bring this heifer up!!!   No she turned out to be a great heifer.... until she died! ........ I knew I was in trouble when she started to lie down and I decided my only chance was to try to get to the feedlot and get a trocar and get some of this pressure off. I jumped into the truck and drove like an idiot to the feedlot, which was not very far away, maybe 500-600 yards. I grabbed the trocar and headed back only to find a dead heifer when I got there. I doubt if it was 3 minutes since I left her.
I was planning to show her in the Shorthorn plus show at Agribition and she would have been very competitive. Instead, she got buried.
If only every breeding program could save those great ones. I know my brother in law Gary Carter's best full Australian heifer,Newbiggon Super Sandy, from his imported cow Mandalong Roany 55 died as a yearling and I can remember her clearly over 30 years later.
Thus two common sayings around our place "where there's livestock there's dead stock" and "as long as it doesn't get any closer to the house".

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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2010, 02:21:29 PM »
Sorry to bring this up. I just thought the thread was a good one and you had some cross breeding going on was nice. We had a awesome durham red heifer sired by JSF Real World we bought from out west. One night she is eating and doing fine, the next morning she was deader than a doornail. Animals die, that is the crap part of our business.

JIT, I see your and aj go back with your banter. A couple seasoned ol veterans. Good stuff <beer>
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Re: ATTN: Shorthorn Breeders
« Reply #49 on: August 28, 2010, 04:27:23 PM »
In response to roadwarriors post on the preceding page. Most producers will not accept a 20% open ratio. However if you are truly testing for superior cattle you need to put pressure on them. Pressure to perform. Not breeding back is a economical trait. Since he is a seedstock producer he is putting pressure on genetics to select the ones that can rebreed under limited resources. He kicks out the ones that don't make it. He is making progress there. Most seedstock producers just change the enviroment in order to keep the genetics. Supplements or whatever. Then they start feeding grain. Then they creep feed than they start keeping back opens. And before you know it we are propagating cattle that won't even work in the real world. Kit uses brutal selection pressure. Alot of show cattle wouldn't hold up under this pressure. They have been babied for generations. All in the name of hitting the 1300 pound yearling or whatever performance is considered. Heres a thought. Maybe instead of creating artifical enviroments for little suzies heifer to survive maybe we start changing the type of cattle we select. And I don't mean holding our mouth differently and using the same genetics...I mean use difeerent genetics. But oh no we cant do that cause we paid 5,000$ for little suzies heifer. So she stays in the herd and keeps propagating offspring under a babied enviroment and the vicious circle continues. That is why I get sick when people brag about their cattles "PERFORMANCE". Cause they start with a premise that is false to start with. jmo
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