I will absolutely agree that we all need different cow size for the environments we have to work with. I reread what I wrote in my last post, and I want to clarify that I was not trying to imply that we need all our cows to be 1800 lb or more. I was just saying that it is possible to find some cows that are very moderate frame wise, but still weigh a lot and flesh easily. I run my cows on a very commercial basis, and they do not see grain except in extreme situations. We do not grain farm so we buy any grain that is fed. Our cows have to make it on grass, hay and fresh air, most of the time. I would think our environment here would not be that different that the Western Kansas region. No matter how much rain we have had we are never more than two weeks from a drought. It is really hard to state exactly what the best weight is, when there are so many other variables involved. I used the two cows that I pictured above, because I think they prove a point, that being, that you can occasionally find moderate framed cows that are built to weigh a lot, yet they are very efficient and manage to stay in excellent shape, even in the harshest conditions. That is why we have been concentrating on flushing these cows and their daughters, as we feel there is a real need for many more cattle with their unique characteristics. The only problem I have is, that we don't seem to be able to keep as many embryos as I would like to implant myself, as there is a real demand for them.I guess I don't need to sell them all... but I seem to always need the money!!!