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Offline TJ

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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2011, 11:28:09 AM »
Arguing about what breed would cross better would be like us fighting over which conference is king in college football.  Obviously, it's the SEC, IMHO, but I somehow get the feeling that you would not agree.  I could even bring up all of the consecutive championships that the SEC has won (and the last time they didn't undefeated Auburn got robbed because they didn't get to play for the title, IMHO), but would that settle the debate?  Probably not.  Same principle  applies here

I will say this... Type is MUCH more important than breed. 1,800 - 2,200 lb. cows are just as much the wrong type as is a Texas Longhorn.  However, if you gave me a choice, I'd pick the Longhorns because atleast they would not bankrupt me with feed bills. 

Regarding comparing Lowlines & TC Stockman... No, I didn't.  All I did was say that both cross well.  I guess you can compare them if you want to though, since both have papers tracing their ancestry back to Scotland.  But, it would be interesting to see a DNA test performed that would determine which is the more pure Angus of the 2.  Irregardless, I saw TC Stockman as a 2 year old & he had a lot of positives going for him.  Very nice made bull, if you like bigger cattle.  Of all the modern Angus that I've seen, his bloodline is superior in type, IMHO, even though he does have Pine Drive Big Sky back in his gene pool.  But, we had low percentage, thick butted, moderate framed chi bulls that crossed well with most anything too, so it's not surprising that TC Stockman crosses well, if that is what you are looking for. 
No disrespect intended, but to me this hybrid female only reaffirms that the Angus female (black or red) is by far the most versatile breeding piece on earth.  They mate well with Simmentals, Gelbviehs, Maines, Limousins, Herefords, Charolais, Salers, Brahman, Aubracs...
Really depends upon the definition of Angus.  If you are talking Oldhe type stuff, Lowline & even some lines like TC Stockman, I'd agree that they do cross well with most anything.  But, in my opinion, I would not call all Angus or Red Angus king of anything.  Especially the 1,800-2,200 lb. Angus cows that look like they are part Holstein and/or Chiangus, etc.

I challenge you to name a breed with cows that cross well with more different types of bulls than the Angus breed.
Interesting to see TC Stockman 365 put in the same category with Lowlines.
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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2011, 12:12:00 PM »
LOL-no problem Telos! In fact one thing I know for certain with this breed is people either love um or hate um, no in between. I have had the chance to watch more than a 1000 Aubracs and % Aubracs "move out". I have seen my share of ugly Aubracs, but I have never seen one that had any problems moving. One of my goals back when I was looking at this breed, besides adding them to my composite program, was to build a base of functional, free moving, prolific females to try some clubbys on. Time will tell on this, but the few I have had have been exactly what I was hoping for. I have an old high school buddy that moved to Texas several years ago that is really keeping an eye on the Aubracs for the way they move, muscling type, and perhaps some different coloring for the slick shear deal. You might know of Dave Allan from Bar A Ranch?? You and Dave also have the same opinion on the Legend bull we have, as a few weeks ago I sent Dave several pics and received a call before he had looked at them all to find out the deal on this bull!

I can't for see any genetic issues coming up. I do know that of all the calves I have had, I have had zero genetics defects and have only assisted two at birth.

We will be sending a really good Aubrac bull to Rosanky, Texas in a month or so for a gentleman to use one Angus and Brangus cows. This should be a good fit.

I am also looking for one or two more good people to market Aubrac semen (and soon Angus Hybrid and Red Angus semen), especially down your way...

It's also good to see Allen and Rosanky thinking this way. About three years ago I came across these Aubrac's and thought they might really work both for the show ring and just great functional cattle. Really like that Legend son. Again, is there semen available? LOL....
« Last Edit: July 08, 2011, 12:13:33 PM by Telos »
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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2011, 01:06:19 PM »
If you could visit, that would be great!  I need some good eyes to critique my cattle & tell me what I need to improve upon.  I like hearing input from others & learning something new.  You might be in shock when you see just how "commercial" our operation is.  The only white fence that you would see is the neighbors place & it makes our cattle operation look like an inner city slum.  But, I kinda like it that way.  I am a big fan of low maintenance!  LOL!! 

The North American (Louisville) is in November, so that might be another excuse to make the drive.  Actually, fall would likely work well.  I'm switching to fall calving, so I should have some pairs to look at.  I bred one herd to a Lowline X Red Angus bull that I raised & it will be really interesting to see how those calves turnout, especially the ones out of my Lowline X Tarentaise females.  I sold him though, as I plan to use a 3/4 Lowline X 1/4 Tarentaise bull & a 3/4 Lowline X 1/8 Shorthorn X 1/8 Angus bull in his place.  Rather than halfbloods, I want to see what 5/8 Lowline calves will do.  Who knows, you might want to try a Lowline bull on your Aubrac heifers.  I think that cross could be pretty interesting.  If you like marbling, I will have semen this fall on 2 Lowline bulls that are over +70 on the MMI DNA test.  The average steer that grade high choice, out 19,000 feedlot animals tested, only averaged +21.  One was the Res. National Champion Bull Calf, sired by Doc Holliday & out of a Boris daugter that I flushed.  I hope to collect some others, but I haven't had then tested yet.

One of these days I want to visit some customers in your area & I will try to stop by & check out your herd.  It would be interesting to see Aubracs & the crosses in person. 

Morning TJ! I have been trying to work out my trips for a couple years to stop by and go through your program. I have a gentleman in Kentucky that is very interested in purchasing heifers from me for Fall delivery. If that happens, I am planning on giving you a call to set up a time to stop by. I would be very interested to see the breeds you are working with and how they might fit into my program. Every breed has something good to offer, my goal is to figure out what breeds work the best together to accomplish my goal of "Building the perfect Beast"! You take care.
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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2011, 06:24:55 PM »
TJ, you are welcome to stop by anytime. That goes for anyone that wants to take a chance on being subjected to my wacked out theories! I would enjoy any visitors. As promised on the Masher post, here are some more Aubrac pics. The first one is a 44% polled Aubrac 1st calf heifer. We used some Composite bulls in the 80's and early 90's that had a 1/4 Tarentaise in them and it shows up in her even though it's pretty far back. The next pic is her 66% polled Aubrac bull calf out of our Shoshone bull. He is still decent made, but has more front than I care for (which is extremely hard to get bred out) in the higher % Aubracs. The last pic is a 3/4 polled Aubrac cow, one of our Angus bulls (a Matrix son) and her heifer calf by the Matrix son.

Next week maybe I will post some Red Angus pics!!!

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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2011, 09:08:33 PM »
You know I hate to bring up a subject that has more history than almost all the cattle you have mentioned crossing-but aside from having a black color-the right type of Shorthornswill-cross with just about everything-the Angus or Hereford crosses being way good-not to mention simmi,limmi,charolais,galloway-sorry-turning into a rap version-fact remains almost EVERYTHING-is descended from them-would seem to make sense O0

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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2011, 06:18:16 AM »
Thought this was a little entertaining.

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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2011, 07:45:15 PM »
Interesting and scary at the same time! I have had the chance to visit with a few of the French Aubrac breeders on the phone. I have not wasted my time when invited to go over there and tour their herds, as we would most likely not see eye to eye. When I asked one guy about the horns, ugly fronts, and poor conformation of the breed, he told me "we have more important things to do besides trying to make a cow pretty". When I asked like what, he said they spend must of their day enjoying their meals..up to 3 hours per meal?? He also informed me that the French Government (at least 3-4 years ago) was paying each farmer around 275.00 US per animal to keep them traditional looking. The breed has some real advantages on the maternal and efficiency side, but I prefer them to look Americanized!

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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2011, 10:34:20 AM »
They don't look bad! They look like they could sire some real scalebusters, and in the commercial beef business, that's what we want! (And the black/brown color doesn't hurt either!) I am alos impressed about the feed effeciency! <party>
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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2011, 11:53:32 AM »
Hey Simmgal..they are muscled very well (but not a double muscled breed) so they tend to weigh more than their moderate frame would make you think. They are a maternal continental breed, so the females are efficient and awesome, but if someone was looking for a breed that could handle a bunch of grain and really have a bunch of horsepower, than nearly all the other continentals would be a better choice. But for an operation that is low input and trying to graze as much as they can year round, they do it well.

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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2011, 11:26:58 AM »
Really don't think these purebred Aubrac females look that bad.  A few of our 2008 crop 1 month after weaning, on grass of course.  The polled gene is moving quickly...all of the individuals on our website are polled.    http://aubracbeef.com/aubracbeef.com/Home.html

The kids have had great success at the county fair with purebred Aubrac steers having won the last 2 champions and also carcass contest.  

Sure can take pictures of some of our 2011 cattle if anyone is interested.

Thanks,

Scott
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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2011, 06:28:28 PM »
Good to see a post, Scott! The Aubrac Beef LLC group are some of the most dedicated Aubrac breeders around and are working with a good foundation of Aubrac genetics.

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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2011, 06:54:01 PM »
They just look like good beef cattle... Like the pics of the weaned calves.

Do they have a diluter gene for hair like Charolais?
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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2011, 07:14:11 PM »
Good looking cattle and impressive data.  Have you ever crossed them with Charolais?
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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2011, 08:40:56 PM »
Really don't think these purebred Aubrac females look that bad.  A few of our 2008 crop 1 month after weaning, on grass of course.  The polled gene is moving quickly...all of the individuals on our website are polled.    http://aubracbeef.com/aubracbeef.com/Home.html

The kids have had great success at the county fair with purebred Aubrac steers having won the last 2 champions and also carcass contest.  

Sure can take pictures of some of our 2011 cattle if anyone is interested.

Thanks,

Scott
These little girls look awfully well.

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Re: Aubrac cattle
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2011, 08:42:18 PM »
Thought this was a little entertaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2yhgM0aHZE
Me, too. That countryside looks just like the Ozarks.

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