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aj

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Was talking to 3 people today.......the question was raised.......could an award be given to say......the National Western steer? If he was th free......the exibitors would win say a million dollars. They have the basketball games.....where if you hit a half court shot.......you win a vehicle now. Its kind of an insurance deal where odds are figured and insurance rates defined. If you had say the BIF and the Angus and Herford assc..s sponsor the deal......? What are the chances that a major stter isn't a TH carrier? 100 to zero? Just a weird idea.
 

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It would be like adding another class for people to show in. Maybe you could break classes down into thc and and thf classes. That would really piss people off.
 

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That is an interesting idea.  Maybe creating a pool that concerned people of the cattle industry could put together, be it ranchers, packers, breed associations, etc.  A general pool could be established where proceeds could be divided between all Overall Champion and Reserve Champion Steers at a pre-determined set of Majors throughout the U.S.  If you were the lucky one, and had the only TH and PHA Free Champion Steer for that year, it could end up being a winner-take all. Could end up kind of lucrative.

Donations to the pool could easily be done through a "Crowd Fund" type account.

I'd love to hear more discussion on this!
 

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Playing devils advocate I have to ask why is it important? Do show steers really represent any aspect of the cattle industry that is relevent to the consumer standpoint? Unless you visit this website and a handfull of blogs I would say likely not. If breed associations were really serious about having their ACTUAL breed re resented they would have to be purebred to show in the steer show. Sadly this summer will likely see every breed champion sired by a crossbred bull out of a "purebred" cow. Papers can be bought just as easily as Hillary's influence though a might bit cheaper I would say.
 

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aj said:
That would really piss people off.


that's always been your objective.


that's why none of your solutions or perspectives are ever taken seriously.


if you think it's a good idea, start a class and offer the prize.


why do you always expect everyone else to do what YOU want with THEIR money?



 

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Here's an idea, produce a bull that is THF and PHAF and whose THF and PHAF offspring would be very competitive in the show ring versus the THC or PHAC bulls.  Like anything else, I believe show cattle are a copycat endeavor.  Why are Monopoly/clones still being used? Why are a lot of people getting on the MAB bandwagon?  Why was Heatwave so popular?  They work or worked for so many people's operations and are and were competitive in the show ring. Why are Irish Whiskey genetics still sought after?  A lot of get donor cows are daughters/granddaughters of Irish Whiskey.  Why....?  Now I just named for the clubbies but the same goes for other breeds as well.  If these carrier bulls didn't have their place then the defective trait would have been bred out long ago.
 

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I doubt the thc vs thf deal would work unless an instant......game day......litmus test deal was created. Then I suppose then people might try blood doping? Or.......switching samples or cattle getting tested? Just trying to create some conversation. To Bronco Billy......the point is that th carriers have the look. A monopoly son......that is thf is almost worthless. A heatwave son that is thf is almost worthless cause they don't have the look. If Monopoly was was thf.......he would have been almost worthless.
 

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aj said:
Was talking to 3 people today..

me, myself and I, right?

i don't know why you don't kick in some $.  you could fly around the country, get your own special tattoo, and label all the free cattle, collect the fees, etc. and have sort of a national show at denver where you could sell your carrier bulls. you could call one of the bulls "hypocrite"

sounds like a great idea.

i haven't figured out yet who you will get to front the $.  mandate from the association? maybe some people in silicon valley with crowd funding.

not sure what has better odds. the crowd funding or getting the association to either sponsor it or mandate it.

go for it!
 

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aj said:
.the point is that th carriers have the look.


maybe you could get it sponsored by some of the people who are against models due to body image microagression.


gloria steinham might be a good lead.  sort of surprised she doesn't overeat just to get credibility.
 

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What else changes besides the look?  Does it change the dressing percentage?  What about marbling, and my personal favorite tenderness?
 

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With "cow changers" like Hi Ho Silver on the loose and with bulls like Set Me Free and THF MAB..... You could start seeing more THF cattle. Some people do care about TH and PHA , if you don't breed your clean cows to dirty bulls one would never have it in the gene pool. Which some people do care about. It is very interesting.... Although I never see it becoming a big deal.... Unlike the Angus breed that test for everything but Ebola
 

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I like the idea but I really haven't seen a clear purpose for it out there... as far as i am concerned shows should be about functionality and about producing the best functioning cattle possible (doesn't matter if you want them for replacements or the feedlot).

Say you take a steer from pasture to a show that does well. I would feel a whole hell of a lot better about being able to say well that steer was a good one but i had better as replacements so i brought it here. Rather than that steer was the whole goal of my program. (That is what would truly piss people off)

I believe the purpose of the show should be to outline your cattle as functional and productive in replacements as well as market animals. (I am often seen as an idiot so judge me how you like) To that affect i would like to go to county fairs, state shows, or national shows where i see an animal i like and can use the genetics that went into those animals in my herd.

To the practical breeder simply because the pha and th are a death stamp on your herd and so shows become worthless to everyone but those that want a little furry eye candy.

That being said i am not saying that there is not value in some carriers as functioning cattle you just have to spend an arm and a leg to find clean offspring for commercial use. The worst part of that is after talking to Kevin Cooksley with Haumont and hearing how frustrating it was that the best bull and heifer he got out of Clippers Jubilee was a carrier. If you figure 10-15% replacement but you can only figure that out of 50% of your calves the trade off isn't worth the hassle.
 

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Good as Gold from Lautner Farms is THF and a clone to a Fort Worth Grand Champion, so not every champion is THC.
 

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Ditmars said:
I like the idea but I really haven't seen a clear purpose for it out there... as far as i am concerned shows should be about functionality and about producing the best functioning cattle possible (doesn't matter if you want them for replacements or the feedlot).

Say you take a steer from pasture to a show that does well. I would feel a whole hell of a lot better about being able to say well that steer was a good one but i had better as replacements so i brought it here. Rather than that steer was the whole goal of my program. (That is what would truly piss people off)

I believe the purpose of the show should be to outline your cattle as functional and productive in replacements as well as market animals. (I am often seen as an idiot so judge me how you like) To that affect i would like to go to county fairs, state shows, or national shows where i see an animal i like and can use the genetics that went into those animals in my herd.

To the practical breeder simply because the pha and th are a death stamp on your herd and so shows become worthless to everyone but those that want a little furry eye candy.

That being said i am not saying that there is not value in some carriers as functioning cattle you just have to spend an arm and a leg to find clean offspring for commercial use. The worst part of that is after talking to Kevin Cooksley with Haumont and hearing how frustrating it was that the best bull and heifer he got out of Clippers Jubilee was a carrier. If you figure 10-15% replacement but you can only figure that out of 50% of your calves the trade off isn't worth the hassle.
I just came back from Kevin's and had a good look at Clippers Jubilee.  He is a bull that is hard to fault, that is what is so frustrating for me.  I did buy two daughters of him that tested clean that I like very much.  I appreciate that Kevin sold them to me.
 

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Beebe I am ashamed to say that we beat you to his best heifer out of him... I will post pictures as soon as a get a few good ones of her. They placed her as their number one herd replacement heifer before they got the th test results back.

I hate the idea of having to test everything out of her but for any one that has looked over the best of Haumont's replacements; to get one of the top replacements even dirty is hard to pass. Hoping that gamble pays off and we breed a few decent ones clean out of her.

I have been told by Dennis Hoffrogge that he has produced another bull that he believes almost identical to Jubilee that came up dirty as well. I am going to say i think the though of that hurts even more than seeing jubilee
 

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Ditmars said:
Beebe I am ashamed to say that we beat you to his best heifer out of him... I will post pictures as soon as a get a few good ones of her. They placed her as their number one herd replacement heifer before they got the th test results back.

I hate the idea of having to test everything out of her but for any one that has looked over the best of Haumont's replacements; to get one of the top replacements even dirty is hard to pass. Hoping that gamble pays off and we breed a few decent ones clean out of her.

I have been told by Dennis Hoffrogge that he has produced another bull that he believes almost identical to Jubilee that came up dirty as well. I am going to say i think the though of that hurts even more than seeing jubilee
I hope you do produce some good clean animals out of her.  I have always been of the opinion that I want no carriers, but when I saw Clippers Jubilee I could see how someone could be tempted to try to work with it as you are.  Good luck.
 
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