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« Reply #240 on: December 26, 2013, 07:29:02 PM »
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I read this and my interpretation is that while there is not enough production of Maine beef to
Influence large distributors in France small distributors and butchers can establish a very profitable niche by selling a superior product. This coincides with what I found when we butchered and consumed our show steers. If fed right a 3/8
Maine 1/8 chi 1/2 angus is more tender and flavorful
Than cab. The hamburger is the best
I have ever tasted.

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« Reply #241 on: December 28, 2013, 09:44:29 AM »
Doc-Sun. Very impressive Fullblood bull selling in the Bright Lights sale at Denver. I like his pedigree and profiles great in the picture. Progressive Shorthorn people might want to take a look here.

Embryos also look nice with some interesting genetics. The Prospector bull that Barkhurst sampled, is one I hunted down while looking at pedigrees. According to pedigree, he  goes back to a bull named Vainqueur which may be the same bull Browarny photographed in France. Harlan Ritchie thought he was the best bull he ever saw of any breed.

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Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
« Reply #242 on: December 28, 2013, 12:23:08 PM »
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Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
« Reply #244 on: December 28, 2013, 02:56:36 PM »
Nice find Knabe. Really like how that breed is put together. Udder quality was questionable on a cow with one of the photos. Color pattern would be perfect for the Shorty breeders as well.

Have you had or know of any calves by Prospector? Went back and looked at a picture again and I'm still impressed with his depth.
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« Reply #245 on: December 28, 2013, 03:31:05 PM »
it's obvious ohlde wasn't around yet to put pressure on udder selection.

no calves on prospector, great grandson of vainqueur. mickey3 (timon, sire of etula) is a link to abricot, 4x nat'l champ in paris. to me, etula was long long, tubey, especially twin creek etulason, so the other direction with depth is sort of the idea.


Prospector
http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2458242525&9=5E5F5A5D


abricot
http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A58232F2F&9=5E5F5A59

it's also why i got some semen on this guy, even though calves i've seen by him haven't been that great.

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5820272025&9=5E5F595F
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« Reply #246 on: December 28, 2013, 03:49:59 PM »
Doc-Sun. Very impressive Fullblood bull selling in the Bright Lights sale at Denver. I like his pedigree and profiles great in the picture. Progressive Shorthorn people might want to take a look here.

Embryos also look nice with some interesting genetics. The Prospector bull that Barkhurst sampled, is one I hunted down while looking at pedigrees. According to pedigree, he  goes back to a bull named Vainqueur which may be the same bull Browarny photographed in France. Harlan Ritchie thought he was the best bull he ever saw of any breed.
Thanks telos my footnote on the prospector embryos got butchered into hyrogliphics in the catalog i also think Yukon would work on shorthorn cows to get good correct 7/8 females to come back on with a good traditional bull as well as on the clubby black cows in the breed the darco bull was sent to the Connors bull test early this month

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« Reply #247 on: December 28, 2013, 05:55:48 PM »
I don't think footnotes are that important. You will still have to do your own marketing by educating folks with the genetics you have to offer. You will do well. Just bring as much visual info as you can. People relate better with pictures. And also a pedigree print-out will be helpful. Those embryos will draw a lot of interest if you can educate potential buyers.

You know I still think that Darco calf is valuble genetics. He should do well on test. Can't wait for an updated pic.

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« Reply #248 on: December 30, 2013, 07:37:50 PM »
Doc-Sun. Very impressive Fullblood bull selling in the Bright Lights sale at Denver. I like his pedigree and profiles great in the picture. Progressive Shorthorn people might want to take a look here.

Embryos also look nice with some interesting genetics. The Prospector bull that Barkhurst sampled, is one I hunted down while looking at pedigrees. According to pedigree, he  goes back to a bull named Vainqueur which may be the same bull Browarny photographed in France. Harlan Ritchie thought he was the best bull he ever saw of any breed.
Thanks telos my footnote on the prospector embryos got butchered into hyrogliphics in the catalog i also think Yukon would work on shorthorn cows to get good correct 7/8 females to come back on with a good traditional bull as well as on the clubby black cows in the breed the darco bull was sent to the Connors bull test early this month
Is Yukon going to be at Denver this year? Might be heading down there and would like to see him in person.

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« Reply #250 on: December 30, 2013, 10:45:38 PM »
I dont inow if this means that these are the only AI sires ever in france.

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« Reply #252 on: December 31, 2013, 12:16:22 AM »
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It is surprising that purebreds "Red Meadow "lose weight in summer and winter periods (diet consisting primarily of coarse grass or hay with little or no supplementation) and show normal annual growth. It seems that this weight loss at certain times is necessary for their skeletal and muscular development. Thus, in the heart of the production area of the PDO 'Maine-Anjou ", characterized by periods of early and significant water deficit prairie animals breed" Red Meadow "show significant skeletal and muscle development; which is not the case at the periphery of the zone (higher rainfall, rich and regular fodder) with lighter animals and smaller riders.
There is even an "animal model" clean production area "Maine-Anjou" leading breeders of other species such as sheep, pigs and horses to look docile animals and a great template. This attitude is indicative of a strong link between the characteristics of a type of animal, in this case the "Red Meadow", and its habitat;
- expertise that enables breeders an intimate link between space and herd
management grassland demonstrates a true pastoral attitude. Knowledge of the abilities of different grasslands occur in time and the creation of grassland resources practices, enables the farmer to consider environmental constraints as elements that animals "Red Meadow" will be able to develop because of their ability to withstand power without negative impact on their future performance smoothly.
know-how of the breeder "Maine-Anjou" allows the best use of the grassland region. Cattle for meat production "Maine-Anjou" have always tried to minimize the use of inputs in their farms. It is in the tradition of the farming system to be autonomous and economically. This attitude has its historical roots: the tenant was responsible for breeding without high financial resources. He does not want to have to incur significant costs and looking for an animal that can fully take advantage of its environment. Cattle must eat grass as much as possible in the form of pasture, except in the form of harvested forage. Consequently, the farmer must have a detailed knowledge of the environment and an important technicality concerning grazing patterns.
grazing cattle during the dry season is rational: the animals eat standing stock from the aftermath of mowing and grazing incomplete spring on plots of long-term leys or natural grasslands. Wet meadows low funds, when they exist on the farm, are primarily affected food in summer. This demonstrates the ability of farmers to create summer forage resources on the one hand by the alternation of grazing and mowing in the spring, on the other hand by the diversity of the types of grasslands used.
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« Reply #253 on: December 31, 2013, 09:25:28 PM »
old bull.  amazing it was deviated from so quickly in the 70's for some reason.
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« Reply #254 on: January 01, 2014, 11:24:18 AM »
after translating some from another book, it seems the french were not too keen on letting the bull pictured have his offspring leave france.

quite a few imports have pedigrees that disappear, so it's not clear how many came over.
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