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Title: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on February 13, 2013, 08:10:01 PM
Yukon & Slash did not make Ft Worth because of reasons they couldn't control. Here is their ad in the next Voice and Shorthorn Country.
Title: Re: AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: knabe on February 13, 2013, 11:41:28 PM
Really love slash. Sorry to hear about the tornado.

Love the color and almost solid on both.
Title: Re: AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 14, 2013, 07:07:48 AM
What will the calving be like on Slash? O0
Title: Re: AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: doc-sun on February 14, 2013, 09:36:54 AM
What will the calving be like on Slash? O0
we watched him being born unassisted from my 8s cow pictured below. he weighed 95 lb and calved at 285 days. he has a little shoulder and i would never use him on heifers. based on experience of calving maines since 1969, i expect very few issues with angus cows and get mostly black calves, the same with shorthorn cows except you will have some bigger calves from the cows with more maine and the color pattern will follow the dam  and i think he is a great choice on black maine cows with lower birth weight epd's i e use him on an ali bred black cow then breed the resulting black cow back to a predator bred black bull and you have diversified your blood lines.
Title: Re: AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: knabe on February 14, 2013, 05:24:21 PM
What will the calving be like on Slash? O0

easier than heat wave.  plus you will get some females that can breed and milk. 
Title: Re: AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 14, 2013, 07:42:52 PM
What will the calving be like on Slash? O0

easier than heat wave.  plus you will get some females that can breed and milk.  /// In other words-probably about the same as the currant Shorthorn show cattle-with more real muscle,hybrid vigor-and the huge fertility blast fullblood  Maines add to Shorthorns-do need deep ribbed cows with what I see here-the LOW BW cattle like Sues-Lovings,Lauers,Larsons,Kapers are the ones Id really like to see used with these genetics-and get the yearling bulls back up to 1250-like the old days-Because the BWS are similar if NOT WORSE-and the yearlings fed hard are only really running around 1000-1100 max O0
Title: Re: AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: doc-sun on February 15, 2013, 11:14:50 AM
What will the calving be like on Slash? O0
we watched him being born unassisted from my 8s cow pictured below. he weighed 95 lb and calved at 285 days. he has a little shoulder and i would never use him on heifers. based on experience of calving maines since 1969, i expect very few issues with angus cows and get mostly black calves, the same with shorthorn cows except you will have some bigger calves from the cows with more maine and the color pattern will follow the dam  and i think he is a great choice on black maine cows with lower birth weight epd's i e use him on an ali bred black cow then breed the resulting black cow back to a predator bred black bull and you have diversified your blood lines.
we had a full brother born last fall from an angus recip cow that was 10 lb lighter at 285 days and are expecting a full sib any day. hopefully it will be a heifer. i got interupted before i could finish yesterday's post
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: doc-sun on February 15, 2013, 11:36:19 AM
INDEX is the sire of SLASH. He was lightly used but produced some good cattle back in the early days.
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: knabe on February 15, 2013, 05:22:25 PM
anyone got any shorthorn female line suggestions to try these bulls on?

i sure would like to see what a couple of JIT's cows would do, say sparkle or leah
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: doc-sun on February 17, 2013, 08:21:41 AM
Had a full brother to slash born unassisted last night. He looks to be the thickest and most moderate of the 3 brothers. We also had a darco born earlier from 8s.
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: Telos on February 17, 2013, 08:57:14 AM
 How does the Darco calf look? Bull or heifer? I thought Darco had a lot of potential from the Browarny video. By far my favorite bull of all the videos. He was certainly athletic enough and appeared to have excellent internal dimension. Hope you can get a picture up. Would love to see a direct Darco calf.
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: doc-sun on February 17, 2013, 08:46:46 PM
How does the Darco calf look? Bull or heifer? I thought Darco had a lot of potential from the Browarny video. By far my favorite bull of all the videos. He was certainly athletic enough and appeared to have excellent internal dimension. Hope you can get a picture up. Would love to see a direct Darco calf.
It is a bull. Took a phone pic today. Will post it from work tomorrow.
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: doc-sun on February 18, 2013, 10:03:46 AM
How does the Darco calf look? Bull or heifer? I thought Darco had a lot of potential from the Browarny video. By far my favorite bull of all the videos. He was certainly athletic enough and appeared to have excellent internal dimension. Hope you can get a picture up. Would love to see a direct Darco calf.
It is a bull. Took a phone pic today. Will post it from work tomorrow.
telos: here is your picture
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: knabe on February 18, 2013, 10:27:12 AM
Some Texas boys should try something different.
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: Telos on February 18, 2013, 04:29:29 PM
Very nice. I like his proud head and the way it's shaped. Really great out cross genetics, IMO. I like the fact he is not carrying the Novino and Cunia based genetics that the majority of purebreds carry.

Also, that guy looks to have the rib shape that many Maine Cattle lack. That is what impressed me the most about Darco. He certainly isn't shallow behind that shoulder.

Look forward to seeing him progress.
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: doc-sun on February 19, 2013, 10:14:12 AM
Very nice. I like his proud head and the way it's shaped. Really great out cross genetics, IMO. I like the fact he is not carrying the Novino and Cunia based genetics that the majority of purebreds carry.

Also, that guy looks to have the rib shape that many Maine Cattle lack. That is what impressed me the most about Darco. He certainly isn't shallow behind that shoulder.

Look forward to seeing him progress.
he should have epd's close to 2.7 bwt, 35.2 wwt, 69.05 ywt, 32 milk and 48.2 m&g computed by averaging sire and dam. maybe better since darco is more accurate. 
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: doc-sun on February 20, 2013, 10:19:52 AM
Some Texas boys should try something different.
amaa #'s 426186,426187,424503, 426188 and424505 fullblood 18 mo performance tested bulls will sell in our april 4th breeders world online sale with a lease option. all our fullbloods will be dna verified and registered as 3/4 shorthorn.
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: knabe on February 21, 2013, 06:55:02 PM
What about heifers?  Sure would love to see some, especially out of these good older bulls and a polled cow.
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: doc-sun on February 22, 2013, 11:14:06 AM
What about heifers?  Sure would love to see some, especially out of these good older bulls and a polled cow.
no polled out of older bull but we are selling a taipon heifer bred in late nov 2012 to our low birth kuda x 8s bull. amaa 426192 x 424504
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on February 25, 2013, 11:44:02 AM
OUR INDEX AND DARCO MATERNAL BROTHERS WEEK 2
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 01, 2013, 11:21:53 AM
Yukon & Slash did not make Ft Worth because of reasons they couldn't control. Here is their ad in the next Voice and Shorthorn Country.
we received our voice today. it is also usually available on their website to view online.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on March 01, 2013, 04:27:57 PM
Really coming on nicely. I'm partial to that Darco calf (Super outcross potential, IMO). Looks like he's going to have more guts like his sire. Were the birth weights reasonable?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 02, 2013, 09:43:58 AM
Any know anything about the mariehamn or rocky lane Fullbloods in Canada?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on March 02, 2013, 11:24:30 AM
Any know anything about the marieham or rocky lane Fullbloods in Canada?//// The whole Revival Clan at ScragsShorthorns is out of Marieham Revival O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 02, 2013, 11:29:03 AM
The whole Revival Clan at ScragsShorthorns is out of Marieham Revival O0

don't you mean mvh revival?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on March 02, 2013, 03:10:55 PM
This is the pedigree for the Schrags foundation cow.

http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=461592 (http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=461592) (http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=461592&searchreg=Enter+a+registration+number)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 02, 2013, 08:34:22 PM
This is the pedigree for the Schrags foundation cow.

[url]http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=461592[/url] ([url]http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=461592[/url])
 ([url]http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=461592&searchreg=Enter+a+registration+number[/url])


found her earlier.  my bad, i thought he meant a bull.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 02, 2013, 08:46:26 PM
Really coming on nicely. I'm partial to that Darco calf (Super outcross potential, IMO). Looks like he's going to have more guts like his sire. Were the birth weights reasonable?
answered your pm. he was bigger at birth but was way over due.  i have a  18 mo. performance tested tidal wave (revival son) bull i am selling with a lease option in our april 4th online sale.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 04, 2013, 11:22:17 AM
yukon and slash in the mud but also in the sun!!!!! saturday
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on March 04, 2013, 06:20:33 PM
Both really nice bulls. Can't tell which one I like the best. They look very practical with a lot of quality.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 10, 2013, 09:10:18 PM
our danigo x 8s bull. is going to be very moderate and muscular.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 10, 2013, 10:50:00 PM
http://www.cwcmaines.com (http://www.cwcmaines.com)
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: FB-Maines94 on March 11, 2013, 10:15:40 PM
INDEX is the sire of SLASH. He was lightly used but produced some good cattle back in the early days.

Obviously, you have some nice pics of some Index progeny, but could you describe what kind of calves he throws?
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: doc-sun on March 12, 2013, 11:12:55 AM
INDEX is the sire of SLASH. He was lightly used but produced some good cattle back in the early days.

Obviously, you have some nice pics of some Index progeny, but could you describe what kind of calves he throws?
index only had 1 well known son in the early days. windex was a polled purebred son and the one i remember most as a sire of structurally correct calves with some look to them. thickness was more dependent on the dam. index was used mostly in the well known bar u herd in canada. a few good sons came to the usa, but the mid 70's cattle crash cause most breeders who used them to disperse at the yards. my 3 full brothers are all correct and hit their track. slash has the most shoulder and some leather under his chin, but is moderate and thick with alot of bone. the calf born last fall is also moderate in a smoother package. i think he will feed into a great combination bull. the young calf has the look and a tremendous top. if he develops volume as he grows he could be a great one. the cow will determine alot of what the calves will look like, but they will be structurally correct and cross well with thick cows with volume. i don't know of any other index semen except what's in my tank, but would buy some more if available.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: FB-Maines94 on March 13, 2013, 04:11:49 PM
Thank you. That helps me quite a bit. We have some semen we are thinking of using.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on March 13, 2013, 05:46:44 PM
our danigo x 8s bull. is going to be very moderate and muscular./// Kneejerk reaction-best one Ive seen in the pics for what I like- O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on March 13, 2013, 08:21:06 PM
... I'm still partial to the Darco calf but the Danigo looks very three deminsional with a lot of capacity. The Danigo's I've seen in the past were very similar in design to yours (by the picture) and if I'm correct were known for good females that could really milk.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 13, 2013, 08:47:39 PM
darco
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 13, 2013, 09:51:02 PM
Thank you. That helps me quite a bit. We have some semen we are thinking of using.

on blacks, fullbloods, or shorthorns?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: FB-Maines94 on March 13, 2013, 10:33:21 PM
Thank you. That helps me quite a bit. We have some semen we are thinking of using.

on blacks, fullbloods, or shorthorns?

Fullbloods
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 14, 2013, 03:24:20 PM
Thank you. That helps me quite a bit. We have some semen we are thinking of using.

on blacks, fullbloods, or shorthorns?

Fullbloods
what bloodlines are your cows?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: FB-Maines94 on March 14, 2013, 03:42:03 PM
They aren't my cows. I work with McCulloch Cattle Company because I'm a grandson of the owners.  ;D

We used to have a bull named Mr. Triple L Crown out of Cunia. Quite a few cattle trace back to him.
Next was Jim Dandy out of Stud Muffin. Quite a few of our cows are his daughters. We are using a son of his currently.
About six or seven years ago, we used some Hillcrestview Conqueror semen. We are currently using one of his sons MCCH Conqueror. We also have a couple of his sons.
We have semen on some of the old sires we are thinking of using. These include Covino 3, Index, Prairie Blizzard, Iabon, Loustic and others.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: FB-Maines94 on March 15, 2013, 10:23:16 PM
Anyone know of any Coca-Cola semen out there?

Also, we have some RB8W semen. Any thoughts on him?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on March 16, 2013, 06:33:25 AM
IMO, both Darco and Prairie Blizzard were two of the best power genetics to step foot on this Continent of any breed. I feel these genetics were under valued and under used at the time. Are they perfect? No, but they offered characteristics such as soundness (not too straight or arthritic) along with combination internal capacity, milking ability as well as anything imported and should be experimented with. Franco was another bull but have never seen semen on him.

There is no more semen on these two bulls and somebody might be wise to exploit them in conjunction with calving ease and full-spectrum trait selection genetics. Just add them to the mix, for both outcross potential and added performance.
 










Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: FB-Maines94 on March 16, 2013, 08:10:31 AM
I agree that Prairie Blizzard was one of the great ones that was underused. We have some semen on him we plan on using, and I think there is some in Canada.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on March 16, 2013, 09:21:50 AM
I agree that Prairie Blizzard was one of the great ones that was underused. We have some semen on him we plan on using, and I think there is some in Canada.

Can't wait for the results. Your Grandfather is one of the leaders of improved Fullblood genetics. Just an incredible cowherd.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 16, 2013, 09:49:34 AM
Get some DNA verified heifers in Canada again.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 16, 2013, 10:07:00 AM
Anyone know of any Coca-Cola semen out there?

Also, we have some RB8W semen. Any thoughts on him?
I have some coca cola and some embryos might do some trading with you
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 16, 2013, 10:15:32 AM
IMO, both Darco and Prairie Blizzard were two of the best power genetics to step foot on this Continent of any breed. I feel these genetics were under valued and under used at the time. Are they perfect? No, but they offered characteristics such as soundness (not too straight or arthritic) along with combination internal capacity, milking ability as well as anything imported and should be experimented with. Franco was another bull but have never seen semen on him.

There is no more semen on these two bulls and somebody might be wise to exploit them in conjunction with calving ease and full-spectrum trait selection genetics. Just add them to the mix, for both outcross potential and added performance.
 
I have my 60x cow who usually makes 10 eggs set up to breed Monday for a flush. Should I use my prairie blizzard or something else on my list at hermosacattle.com. Also thought about hauling my slash bull over for a natural service. Her pic is in the add on page 1 of this post.











Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on March 16, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
Why is the AMAA not showing who the PHAC are? They use to have it on their pedigree search. Knabe do you know how to look it up?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 16, 2013, 10:46:00 AM
Doc-sun do u mean 8s?

Sorry. Saw u just updated it.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 16, 2013, 10:47:43 AM
http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=336665 (http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=336665)

It's there on the bottom.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on March 16, 2013, 01:25:49 PM
OK. I liked Prairie Blizzard and said he was a great bull but here's the deal... He's a 3/4 brother to Dalton who's a PHA carrier. Prairie Blizzard apparently never was tested for whatever reason. Thought his semen was sent off but the AMAA is not showing any results.

Both doc-son and FB Maines94 I would use with caution! If you have extra semen to spare, I'd  send it off to be tested.

One of the commom denominators in Paramount and Dalton was Univers. this why there may be an issue. Duke of Heaven is also a Univers son but was tested free.

Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 16, 2013, 01:33:55 PM
OK. I liked Prairie Blizzard but here's the deal... He's a 3/4 brother to Dalton who's a PHA carrier. Prairie Blizzard apparently never was tested for whatever reason.

Both doc-son and FB Maines94 I would use with extreme caution! If you have extra semen to spare, I'd  send it off to be tested.



yup.  if clean cows, and semen limited, test the offspring.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: FB-Maines94 on March 16, 2013, 02:55:13 PM
I agree that Prairie Blizzard was one of the great ones that was underused. We have some semen on him we plan on using, and I think there is some in Canada.

Can't wait for the results. Your Grandfather is one of the leaders of improved Fullblood genetics. Just an incredible cowherd.
Thanks. I'll tell him that. He amazes me all the time. I'm learning all the time from him.

Get some DNA verified heifers in Canada again.

If this was directed at me, he has reservations about most Canadian cattle. He is very selective in his breeding.
Anyone know of any Coca-Cola semen out there?

Also, we have some RB8W semen. Any thoughts on him?
I have some coca cola and some embryos might do some trading with you
I'll get back to you.
OK. I liked Prairie Blizzard and said he was a great bull but here's the deal... He's a 3/4 brother to Dalton who's a PHA carrier. Prairie Blizzard apparently never was tested for whatever reason. Thought his semen was sent off but the AMAA is not showing any results.

Both doc-son and FB Maines94 I would use with extreme caution! If you have extra semen to spare, I'd  send it off to be tested.


Thanks for the warning.  :)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 16, 2013, 04:04:14 PM
OK. I liked Prairie Blizzard and said he was a great bull but here's the deal... He's a 3/4 brother to Dalton who's a PHA carrier. Prairie Blizzard apparently never was tested for whatever reason. Thought his semen was sent off but the AMAA is not showing any results.

Both doc-son and FB Maines94 I would use with extreme caution! If you have extra semen to spare, I'd  send it off to be tested.


only have 5 blizzard also have 5 dalton. planned on using the no guts no glory theory.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 16, 2013, 04:09:50 PM
Get some DNA verified heifers in Canada again.

here is knabe's good polled cow in canada
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 16, 2013, 04:33:12 PM
have about 30 embryo's out of her.

some are going in shortly by a polled son of 128l and out of a buret son.

not sure of any reservations one would have with that cow.

the thing with canadian cattle, is that they are ALL parentage verified.

if molecular markers ever become useful, this will be somewhat important.

also, for international sales, i think they prefer/require parentage verified.

most of the US fullblood maines are not parentage verified.

it's one of the reasons the associations have not merged.

i sure would like to flush her with dalton, scottish echard and a few others.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on March 16, 2013, 04:54:23 PM
I like the no guts no glory theory doc-son. Go for it.

Knabe. That is one awesome looking cow. She is the reason I like Maine's. You've been holding out on me. LOL. What is her pedigree? Hook up with doc-son and breed her to Darco. I'll bite.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 16, 2013, 05:58:55 PM
here's rb8w's pedigree on the canadian site for reference.

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2325212024&9=505A5A5F (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2325212024&9=505A5A5F)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: fullblood on March 17, 2013, 04:57:11 AM
just noticed Rb8w sires is full brother to(165359 ma ) hm count cunia DE epinal 's dam  . the dam has Canadian papers (5818) reo monettle 17m
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 17, 2013, 08:51:11 AM
Yup, too bad cormie went with Epinal and cunia on the female side.

Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on March 18, 2013, 09:57:21 AM
[url]http://www.cwcmaines.com[/url] ([url]http://www.cwcmaines.com[/url])

Fullblood Maine Anjou Sale is April 3-6 on Cattle in Motion.  There are a variety of styles and pedigrees.  Some old sires such as Revival, Red Liner and Dabla.  Some sires that are not quite as old such as Super Dude and Semi-Automatic. And some new sires from France: Raphia and Utile.  Many polled or scurred and a few solid red.  For Catalogue check www.cwcmaines.com (http://www.cwcmaines.com) and for videos check http://www.cattleinmotion.com/auctionevent/foundations-fullblood-maine-anjou-sale (http://www.cattleinmotion.com/auctionevent/foundations-fullblood-maine-anjou-sale)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 18, 2013, 01:52:58 PM
welcome CWC
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: iowa on March 18, 2013, 03:00:32 PM
doc-sun,  Is the 4/4 on-line sale still on?  I don't see it listed on Breeders World site any longer.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 18, 2013, 04:50:21 PM
doc-sun,  Is the 4/4 on-line sale still on?  I don't see it listed on Breeders World site any longer.
no. we had problems getting a fitter for the videos so i put some maine embryos and semen in the maine express deal at the end of the month and moved the angus and simmental to our april 21 tradition group sale.  i still may try to put together an online sale including a lease option for my maine fullbloods and a couple of maintainers bred differently after getting the bulls home from the feedyard and getting them cleaned up and videod.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 18, 2013, 04:59:12 PM
fullblood bull with an example of a cow you get if he is crossed on blacks, reds, or even solid clubbys. most blacks will stay black but i wouldn't call the red results undesireable.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 18, 2013, 08:21:29 PM
I like the no guts no glory theory doc-son. Go for it.

Knabe. That is one awesome looking cow. She is the reason I like Maine's. You've been holding out on me. LOL. What is her pedigree? Hook up with doc-son and breed her to Darco. I'll bite.
prairie blizzard semen too weak to use for flush (thats what you get when you trade 20 yrs ago)  but am going to send it in for 50k and dna testing. used sdr truman a fullblood by calberta chinook for flush. have had calves out of that semen including a good black polled bull last fall out of a halfblood ali cow that was in denver champion pen. 
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 19, 2013, 10:48:22 PM
i guess one way to get scottish echard is through manitou's palliser or his sire.

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5A5923262526&9=5A5A515B (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5A5923262526&9=5A5A515B)
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Post by: CWCCattle on March 20, 2013, 10:17:35 AM
i guess one way to get scottish echard is through manitou's palliser or his sire.

[url]http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5A5923262526&9=5A5A515B[/url] ([url]http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5A5923262526&9=5A5A515B[/url])


Saw the Palliser bull while he was still at Gary Graham's and had some offspring out of him in our feedlot.  I really liked him especially the length he put in the calves.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 20, 2013, 10:52:31 AM
Only registered calf out of Newhouse George.

Gary probably is only person with semen on George.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on March 20, 2013, 12:22:51 PM
fullblood bull with an example of a cow you get if he is crossed on blacks, reds, or even solid clubbys. most blacks will stay black but i wouldn't call the red results undesireable./// Niether would I -I used to see cows like that years ago-and am thinking of using Genera Lee on a Shorthorn to get a little larger version-if the Bws arent too extreme
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Post by: Telos on March 20, 2013, 05:42:19 PM
[url]http://www.cwcmaines.com[/url] ([url]http://www.cwcmaines.com[/url])

Fullblood Maine Anjou Sale is April 3-6 on Cattle in Motion.  There are a variety of styles and pedigrees.  Some old sires such as Revival, Red Liner and Dabla.  Some sires that are not quite as old such as Super Dude and Semi-Automatic. And some new sires from France: Raphia and Utile.  Many polled or scurred and a few solid red.  For Catalogue check [url=http://www.cwcmaines.com]www.cwcmaines.com[/url] ([url]http://www.cwcmaines.com[/url]) and for videos check [url]http://www.cattleinmotion.com/auctionevent/foundations-fullblood-maine-anjou-sale[/url] ([url]http://www.cattleinmotion.com/auctionevent/foundations-fullblood-maine-anjou-sale[/url])



Stenburg's Raphia is my favorite sire group of the sale. I really like CWC Zip (I believe that's his name).
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 20, 2013, 06:59:04 PM

Stenburg's Raphia is my favorite sire group of the sale. I really like CWC Zip (I believe that's his name).

funny you should mention that.  he's out of my other cow.
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Post by: doc-sun on March 20, 2013, 07:15:35 PM

Stenburg's Raphia is my favorite sire group of the sale. I really like CWC Zip (I believe that's his name).

funny you should mention that.  he's out of my other cow.
lot 10 goes back to your 6l cow.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: FB-Maines94 on March 20, 2013, 10:30:20 PM
Personally, I like the looks of Lots 1, 19, & 21 the most. They aren't as refined as I like them but still some nice bulls.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on March 24, 2013, 06:40:56 PM
fullblood pair
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Post by: knabe on March 24, 2013, 07:12:25 PM
Personally, that calf has depth that everyone is looking for.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on March 25, 2013, 09:40:40 AM
[url]http://www.cwcmaines.com[/url] ([url]http://www.cwcmaines.com[/url])

Fullblood Maine Anjou Sale is April 3-6 on Cattle in Motion.  There are a variety of styles and pedigrees.  Some old sires such as Revival, Red Liner and Dabla.  Some sires that are not quite as old such as Super Dude and Semi-Automatic. And some new sires from France: Raphia and Utile.  Many polled or scurred and a few solid red.  For Catalogue check [url=http://www.cwcmaines.com]www.cwcmaines.com[/url] ([url]http://www.cwcmaines.com[/url]) and for videos check [url]http://www.cattleinmotion.com/auctionevent/foundations-fullblood-maine-anjou-sale[/url] ([url]http://www.cattleinmotion.com/auctionevent/foundations-fullblood-maine-anjou-sale[/url])



Stenburg's Raphia is my favorite sire group of the sale. I really like CWC Zip (I believe that's his name).


Stenberg's Raphia II bull is no more so there are very limited offspring off of him.  CWC Zip comes out of MELS Benz who I bought out of their show string at Farmfair.  I really liked him when I showed against him in Red Deer and then again at Farmfair.  They gave me a really good deal on him because they thought that he would be hard to sell with so much white on him, but on my red cows the majority have been mostly red.  I would have missed out if I had been buying based on color.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on March 25, 2013, 09:46:46 AM
Personally, I like the looks of Lots 1, 19, & 21 the most. They aren't as refined as I like them but still some nice bulls.

I would have liked to keep lot 1, 10 and 21.  However since this is our first sale I put everything in just to draw people and make it high caliber.  That is why I am reserving the right to draw semen on lots 1 and 10.  I have a full sister to lot 21 so thats how I'm keeping the genetics.  Lot 19 is a decent bull he's just has too small of a frame for me but I've heard that what they are looking for in the USA.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on March 25, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
fullblood pair
Nice well rounded calf.  Good length and depth while still being feminine.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 25, 2013, 06:57:27 PM
anything with 7G cow in the pedigree could have the bulk of the original bovigen markers

most fullbloods don't have them other than T1 which the breed seems homozygous for.  

they also as a breed (fullbloods) have most of the original feed efficiency markers.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 25, 2013, 06:59:49 PM
  Lot 19 is a decent bull he's just has too small of a frame for me but I've heard that what they are looking for in the USA.

you might define small as you'all in canada like them a little bigger.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on March 25, 2013, 09:38:23 PM
  Lot 19 is a decent bull he's just has too small of a frame for me but I've heard that what they are looking for in the USA.

you might define small as you'all in canada like them a little bigger.

About 4 inches shorter and 100 lbs lighter
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Clark Club Calves on March 26, 2013, 08:48:45 PM
Here is a update on our fullblood  bull from these earlier posts.
http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/non-registerable-fullblood-maine-anjou-bull-calf/msg336536/#msg336536 (http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/non-registerable-fullblood-maine-anjou-bull-calf/msg336536/#msg336536)
and
http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/updated-pics-of-fullblood-maine-bull/msg350979/#msg350979 (http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/updated-pics-of-fullblood-maine-bull/msg350979/#msg350979)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: FB-Maines94 on March 26, 2013, 08:53:23 PM
  Lot 19 is a decent bull he's just has too small of a frame for me but I've heard that what they are looking for in the USA.

you might define small as you'all in canada like them a little bigger.

About 4 inches shorter and 100 lbs lighter

I've heard that the folks up in Canada feed their cattle a lot of grain. I know that with all the snow, it's necessary to feed, but it seems to me like a more moderate framed cow would eat less feed. Why do ya'll like those bigger cattle?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 26, 2013, 09:21:52 PM
If the cattle are more efficient with respect to lbs feed to lbs gain the advantage is less. Also on their grid they are probably more incentivized on wt instead of the lowest allowable % angus that qualifies for groupthink.

There probably isn't as much a market for 10" ribeye's with less city folk exposed to Michael Bloomberg.

Maybe there's an advantage with size to  survive the latitude.

Or maybe they just like them that way.
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Post by: knabe on March 30, 2013, 02:07:20 PM
pair.  polled heifer calf.

Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: FB-Maines94 on March 30, 2013, 02:14:42 PM
pair.  polled heifer calf.



How old is the heifer?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 30, 2013, 03:35:52 PM
Week maybe.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: FB-Maines94 on April 01, 2013, 06:40:30 PM
How about pedigrees? I noticed that this is a different cow.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on April 01, 2013, 06:55:26 PM
Week maybe. ; Relly nice pair-sos the doner in Canada-your cattle seem to be deeper bodied and have more depth of rib than alot of the fulblood pictures I see=Does Hardings Capital Gains (the calving ease and probably smaller fullblood etc) have those kind of guts and rib-thinking of flushing a 12 tear old shorthorn-whos deep and moderate-completely conventional breeding-to him. O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on April 01, 2013, 07:21:03 PM
Mark. I don't know what you're asking but Hardings Capitol Gains was a whale of a bull.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on April 01, 2013, 07:26:48 PM
Mark. I don't know what you're asking but Hardings Capitol Gains was a whale of a bull.
/// Im asking if he was a deep bodied bull-or long and tubular like some of the fullbloods were. I used Vistas Sentra-who was calf champion at Denver in 1987-or 1986 I believe-and he putt a heck of a butt-heck of a BW-and in some cases a mile of leg under them,I like the looks of Knabes cows pictured-and wanted to know if Cap Gains sired anything at all  like that:I cant post a picture of the cow in this reply-but youd see shes real deep-and moderate O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on April 01, 2013, 08:43:33 PM
Harding's capital Gains was a Cunia son out the similar breeding as Polleroid. He was more of a red and white Sooner type bull. Just real thick and deep. The Maines' with no guts are usually Novino derivatives. The majority of Maines imported were of Novino descent and used more heavily primarily for their calving ease. there were plenty of deep made Maine imported but did not get much use because of heavy calving problems. Cunia was the magic bullet in the Maine deal. His calves came smaller but were also thick and did not have too much grow in relation to other Maine genetics. He was truly a downsizer and could make a dairy cow thick in one generation.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on April 02, 2013, 08:04:40 AM
Harding's capital Gains was a Cunia son out the similar breeding as Polleroid. He was more of a red and white Sooner type bull. Just real thick and deep. The Maines' with no guts are usually Novino derivatives. The majority of Maines imported were of Novino descent and used more heavily primarily for their calving ease. there were plenty of deep made Maine imported but did not get much use because of heavy calving problems. Cunia was the magic bullet in the Maine deal. His calves came smaller but were also thick and did not have too much grow in relation to other Maine genetics. He was truly a downsizer and could make a dairy cow thick in one generation./// Ive seen Cunia bring down some huge dual (2000 plus) Shorthorns-If Capital gains will put the punch in one-without downsizing any furthet on this cow-id bite : Mark Mueller said General Jackson (or Gen Lee-cant remember) but Ithink hed be a much higher bW deal-this cow is almost 0 bw epd-and lives up to it-so I can afford some biggness . O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on April 02, 2013, 07:57:07 PM
Harding's capital Gains was a Cunia son out the similar breeding as Polleroid. He was more of a red and white Sooner type bull. Just real thick and deep. The Maines' with no guts are usually Novino derivatives. The majority of Maines imported were of Novino descent and used more heavily primarily for their calving ease. there were plenty of deep made Maine imported but did not get much use because of heavy calving problems. Cunia was the magic bullet in the Maine deal. His calves came smaller but were also thick and did not have too much grow in relation to other Maine genetics. He was truly a downsizer and could make a dairy cow thick in one generation./// Ive seen Cunia bring down some huge dual (2000 plus) Shorthorns-If Capital gains will put the punch in one-without downsizing any furthet on this cow-id bite : Mark Mueller said General Jackson (or Gen Lee-cant remember) but Ithink hed be a much higher bW deal-this cow is almost 0 bw epd-and lives up to it-so I can afford some biggness . O0
i don't know if i agree with you or not. look at the double novino below and tell me no guts or moderation. 500 lbs less according to some breeders who have used him. we are breeding his son, mma handy, with a 75 lb birthweight  pictured below as a calf to all of our fullblood cows and heifers. i will get a current pic of him posted soon. cunia sired thick cattle from the right cows and was used more for calving ease than the novinos especially on the berlins and bysantins. capital gains was good  because youlanti might be the best fullblood maine cow ever. we got most of our original halfblood maine cattle from calf contracts with dairies in 1970 and the bull that made them thickest was danigo, but the half dairy heifers all went to hell raising their first calf. you had to be using the old bulls in the late 60's and 70's to know what they produced and there are not many of us still around. general jackson was a later bull who has the reputation of being good although i never saw him. knabe owns all of the semen on him that dr norman's family had. just my opinion.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on April 02, 2013, 08:10:50 PM
I dont really know much about the ins and outs of Maines-just going by what the maine breeders I know say-and my limited experience with Vistas Sentra-and his Grandson Studly-sire of my best female ever-but not much else. That calf in your picture looks real good to me-again-I didnt know he existed-so does the mature bull-but he doesnt look remotely like a calving ease bull in the picture-much too powerfull.At least I wasnt totally lost in my thoughts about Capital Gain-havent heard much bad about him yet O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: oakview on April 03, 2013, 09:35:44 AM
I would use Capital Gains in a minute if I had semen.  I was going to pick up some Capital Gains from the owner a few years ago in Louisville, but we missed connections.   I did have a full brother to him several years ago that didn't last long, though.  He was one of the shallow, hard doing kind and just didn't cut it.  They can't all be gems.  I've used Dollar II, Cunia, Etula, Capone, Cygne, and maybe some others over the years along with the polled purebred Data Bank.  They all worked well on my Shorthorn cows, especially the Etula son that I kept.  I felt I got more genetic kick from the old fullbloods than I did from the newer genetics, although the Data Bank calves were very satisfactory. 
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on April 03, 2013, 10:06:19 AM
Of course you got more kick out of the old fullbloods.  That's the hybrid vigor of a true outcross.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: oakview on April 03, 2013, 12:05:16 PM
I don't think Data Bank would be any more or less of an outcross to my cows than Dollar II.  I would think the true effect of hybrid vigor would be the same.  I would expect the extra kick to come from the genetic heritage of the bull in question as opposed to simply the effect of crossing two totally unrelated lines. 
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on April 03, 2013, 12:36:19 PM
I don't think Data Bank would be any more or less of an outcross to my cows than Dollar II.  I would think the true effect of hybrid vigor would be the same.  I would expect the extra kick to come from the genetic heritage of the bull in question as opposed to simply the effect of crossing two totally unrelated lines. 

I thought you were simply comparing old vs new. I feel many of the newer lines (of any breed really) are diluted.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: oakview on April 03, 2013, 02:39:26 PM
I too think that there has been a lot of performance bred out of some cattle.  By the way, if you bought that HC bull that's pictured, he's pretty good.  I liked him about as well as any in the sale.  The only thing I didn't like about him was that he maybe appeared a little more "spirited" in his video.  Hardly a real criticism.  If I would have had more heifers to breed, I would have made a real effort to bring lot 20 to my place.  Best of luck with that bull.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: FB-Maines94 on April 03, 2013, 04:05:56 PM
I noticed that some of the lots are gone now. Anyone know why were they cut? Lot 21 was probably the best of the bunch.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on April 03, 2013, 05:22:28 PM
I too think that there has been a lot of performance bred out of some cattle.  By the way, if you bought that HC bull that's pictured, he's pretty good.  I liked him about as well as any in the sale.  The only thing I didn't like about him was that he maybe appeared a little more "spirited" in his video.  Hardly a real criticism.  If I would have had more heifers to breed, I would have made a real effort to bring lot 20 to my place.  Best of luck with that bull.

Yes, vanguard will be headed to Texas. I partnered on the bull with PRC on here.  He appears a bit high headed to me to but I'd like to associate that with vigor. I can't imagine the alpha male being a pushover  ;).  Lot 20 looked like a solid little bull for sure. I already use a Bonanza son as my heifer bull so I tried to step up the performance with Vanguard. I think he'll do the trick.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on April 03, 2013, 06:24:52 PM
I think General Jackson's pedigree is super good and has tremendous value. Some of the older breeders really talked this bull up, but he came at a time when Black Maines and Shorthorn x Maines were the name of the game. Once Black or Shorthorn colored genetics were established and had a foundation to work from then most Fullbloods were ignored. Not many people are willing to invest the time or money for more sampling or experimenting.

I really like the looks of Kuda. does not have the typical body as most Novino lines but perhaps have some really deep made genes within his pedigree. Power Plant is typical of your linebred Novino's. They can get really flat and shallow especially when used on more Maine genetics that also go back to Novino. They are just too hard doing if there's too much of that line within a pedigree for my taste.

Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on April 04, 2013, 09:21:15 AM
I noticed that some of the lots are gone now. Anyone know why were they cut? Lot 21 was probably the best of the bunch.
The lots that were cut were due to scrotal size when we got them semen tested the other day.  The vet didn't feel we could guarantee them.  We will be keeping lot 21 around as a 2 year old to see if he matures and grows a pair.  Not sure if it has something to do with being a twin to a heifer??
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on April 04, 2013, 09:34:13 AM
  Lot 19 is a decent bull he's just has too small of a frame for me but I've heard that what they are looking for in the USA.

you might define small as you'all in canada like them a little bigger.

About 4 inches shorter and 100 lbs lighter

I've heard that the folks up in Canada feed their cattle a lot of grain. I know that with all the snow, it's necessary to feed, but it seems to me like a more moderate framed cow would eat less feed. Why do ya'll like those bigger cattle?
I sometimes question the idea that smaller cattle=more efficient.  We are always looking to put the most pounds on an animal for the least amount of feed and Maine crosses seem to do that regardless of size.  This is particularly important since we feed out our own animals for meat.  Not sure about Knabes questions of improved vigour in Canada but that would be something to look into.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on April 04, 2013, 09:46:35 AM
Cost of gain is all you need to be concerned with in terms of efficiency.   Then again, turnover ratios are important too. 
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on April 04, 2013, 11:53:53 AM
I noticed that some of the lots are gone now. Anyone know why were they cut? Lot 21 was probably the best of the bunch.
The lots that were cut were due to scrotal size when we got them semen tested the other day.  The vet didn't feel we could guarantee them.  We will be keeping lot 21 around as a 2 year old to see if he matures and grows a pair.  Not sure if it has something to do with being a twin to a heifer??

thank goodness on lot 21 cwc.  scrotal is not a perfect measurement as some breeds are smaller than others, ie chi and maine's.

chi's are known for a higher count.  not sure on maine's.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on April 04, 2013, 07:12:43 PM
I noticed that some of the lots are gone now. Anyone know why were they cut? Lot 21 was probably the best of the bunch.
The lots that were cut were due to scrotal size when we got them semen tested the other day.  The vet didn't feel we could guarantee them.  We will be keeping lot 21 around as a 2 year old to see if he matures and grows a pair.  Not sure if it has something to do with being a twin to a heifer??

thank goodness on lot 21 cwc.  scrotal is not a perfect measurement as some breeds are smaller than others, ie chi and maine's.

chi's are known for a higher count.  not sure on maine's.
Ya its just when hes competing with Lot 10 who has a 38.5 cm scrotal size it makes you second guess him
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on April 04, 2013, 08:52:45 PM
I think General Jackson's pedigree is super good and has tremendous value. Some of the older breeders really talked this bull up, but he came at a time when Black Maines and Shorthorn x Maines were the name of the game. Once Black or Shorthorn colored genetics were established and had a foundation to work from then most Fullbloods were ignored. Not many people are willing to invest the time or money for more sampling or experimenting.

I really like the looks of Kuda. does not have the typical body as most Novino lines but perhaps have some really deep made genes within his pedigree. Power Plant is typical of your linebred Novino's. They can get really flat and shallow especially when used on more Maine genetics that also go back to Novino. They are just too hard doing if there's too much of that line within a pedigree for my taste.


Telos: did you ever see general jackson or raise or see any calves by him? did you ever see 81e? john schuessler told me he was a great bull, but i only saw epic and sundowner epinal which were good bulls and full sibs from the same flush.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on April 05, 2013, 03:48:32 AM
I think General Jackson's pedigree is super good and has tremendous value. Some of the older breeders really talked this bull up, but he came at a time when Black Maines and Shorthorn x Maines were the name of the game. Once Black or Shorthorn colored genetics were established and had a foundation to work from then most Fullbloods were ignored. Not many people are willing to invest the time or money for more sampling or experimenting.

I really like the looks of Kuda. does not have the typical body as most Novino lines but perhaps have some really deep made genes within his pedigree. Power Plant is typical of your linebred Novino's. They can get really flat and shallow especially when used on more Maine genetics that also go back to Novino. They are just too hard doing if there's too much of that line within a pedigree for my taste.


Telos: did you ever see general jackson or raise or see any calves by him? did you ever see 81e? john schuessler told me he was a great bull, but i only saw epic and sundowner epinal which were good bulls and full sibs from the same flush.

I have seen several out of fullblood cows. They were larger framed but had plenty internal dimension. What I remember the most is that they were athletic and traveled well. General Jackson and his pedigree should cross especially well with modern day Maines' and IMO really work on all these linebred Blacks' that are loaded down with Cunia genetics. He will add the frame though, and I think should be used on smaller cows for maximum results..

Never saw 81E or the full sibs, ( Plenty of offspring) but strongly feel the Cette-La cow was more of the contributing factor in their success because she was just a massive cow. Epinal was possibly the prefect bull for that mating because I think he is one of the most fault free Maines' that was imported. Epinal always seemed to work best on thicker made genetics IMO. He could put a nice clean look in his calves and was one of my favorites on those harder calving genetics.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on April 06, 2013, 08:01:58 AM
I said I liked lot 10 in the Foundation Maine sale but after looking through the videos lot 1 is probably my first choice with Lot 10 coming in at a close 2nd. Both bulls carry a little heavy birth weight but you have to remember they're fullbloods. I think they are still reasonable weights.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on April 08, 2013, 10:53:50 PM
A big thank you to all of you for your interest and comments on our first bull sale. As expected lot 1 was the high seller and lot 10 was second highest.  Reg Renton bought lot 1 and is planning to draw him for export if anyone is interested. 
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on April 08, 2013, 11:40:22 PM
Congratulations with what looks to be a successful sale. CWC - Although lot 1 looks great, I also think lot 10 is going to do alot of good in adding  al lot of look and performance to those longer, harder doing cows. I especially like 10's pedigree.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on April 09, 2013, 09:18:57 AM
Congratulations with what looks to be a successful sale. CWC - Although lot 1 looks great, I also think lot 10 is going to do alot of good in adding  al lot of look and performance to those longer, harder doing cows. I especially like 10's pedigree.
Thank you. I Agree, lot 10 is much easier fleshing and he had really good growth as shown by his ADG on test.  Would like to maybe cross the lot 1 and lot 10 lines to get a muscled, easy fleshing calf.  That lot 10 bull sold to a neighbor of mine who is a commercial breeder but I had a condition that I could draw semen for myself. So you may see some sons and daughters coming in the next calf crop.  There are also half brothers and sisters in my current calf crop.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on April 11, 2013, 09:01:12 PM
A big thank you to all of you for your interest and comments on our first bull sale. As expected lot 1 was the high seller and lot 10 was second highest.  Reg Renton bought lot 1 and is planning to draw him for export if anyone is interested. 
craig: congrats on your sale. i commend you on your effort and hope you can keep your breeders together for future sucesses. you had a good start and will progress next year if everyone will learn and work toward the 2014 sale.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on April 19, 2013, 08:21:05 PM
Does anyone have any information on Franco?  I got some semen on him and was told that he produces good heifer bulls but then I talked to another guy that said he doesn't.  Also what type of cow would he mate well with?  I only have two straws so I am thinking of putting them in a flush.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on April 19, 2013, 10:45:02 PM
Does anyone have any information on Franco?  I got some semen on him and was told that he produces good heifer bulls but then I talked to another guy that said he doesn't.  Also what type of cow would he mate well with?  I only have two straws so I am thinking of putting them in a flush.


When looking through pedigrees of interesting/high profiling progeny, you will find him in bulls like JDS Stout and think he played a significant role. I have never seen any direct progeny, but would consider him one of the bigger, power bulls that came in later. He may have been a hard calving guy and was not used very much after his first calf crop. You will find him in some black cows pedigrees if you go several generations back. I'll try to find some for you.

With that said I would not hesitate using him in conjunction with easy calving genetics. It might be interesting using him in an F1 scenario and parring him with easy calving Angus or Shorthorn through embryo transplant (He did not seem to have ever been used in an F1 situation). You could also consider Ali or other calving ease animals within the Maine breed. He is related to the great Horton Helena cow ( you will find her in Daft Pick) on the paternal side. Should have good outcross potential to everything now available.

Knowing you are a fullblood breeder he is an interesting choice, IMO. He is one of those bulls that appears to play with those pedigrees that have a higher concentration of Novino genetics. Does anyone have a photo?

http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=345646 (http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=345646)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on April 21, 2013, 04:41:51 AM
More info on Franco... You will find him in the pedigree of the Tykia bull that Derouchy used with grat success to make all those great F1's out of Angus cows.

So the Mercedes cow has a shot of Franco through aTykia cow.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on April 21, 2013, 10:32:43 AM
Not trying to change thread direction:but time is running out on her-Due to 2 system repairs-STOUTER THAN THE PICTURE-this cow is over 12-very low bw:not very big-and older conventional breeding-some pretty good clubby cattle go back to her-long and short-flush-1: Hardings Capital gains 2: K &A Shakedown- A kneejerk reacton would be fine:thanks in advance
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on April 21, 2013, 10:36:34 AM
Breed her to someone who will throw a longer hip from hooks to pins.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on April 21, 2013, 10:38:04 AM
Which of the above bulls will do that?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: fullblood on April 21, 2013, 11:07:44 AM
what is her sire and dam ? i like capital gain's for her but maybe something else i have.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on April 21, 2013, 11:31:01 AM
Sire-MSF Equiity on Huberdale PM Laura-Dam-X Byland Marjorie-Basically a whole load of Dividend-she looked just like him-down to the goggle-blaze face:she had a couple good bulls-Byland Explosian (Australia) and UB DTR Junior Walker-a Double down who barely had 1 calf crop-but produced a bunch of good show hiefers. O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on April 21, 2013, 03:10:24 PM
fred told me a while ago that he used most if not all the tykia 77m semen he had on angus cows.  he was likely too big on anything high percentage.

like this one.

http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=578231 (http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=578231)

stenbergs had a franco son, jupiter, but they never collected him.  they liked him.

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B272358222D (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B272358222D)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on April 29, 2013, 08:08:15 PM
franco
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on May 02, 2013, 03:46:46 PM
18 mo manitou kuda son #424505 who has too much leather that pic doesn't show for me. i do think he could produce american show steers on the right cows. he is very moderate.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on May 02, 2013, 03:52:34 PM
That's a good looking bull. How's his heart girth? How about the fleshing ability of daughters out of him?  I don't know anything bout maines but I like how this one is put together if he's got enough guts. Great head too.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on May 10, 2013, 01:21:54 PM
darco and index calves updated pics
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on May 10, 2013, 04:34:29 PM
Doc-Sun, Those boys are really coming on nicely. Index calf took a better picture at this stage and looks really practical. Still like the Darco as well.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on June 10, 2013, 01:06:10 PM
we have had our yukon bull out for a while getting some exercise. he is looking so good i am thinking about putting him in the cooler in a few weeks and showing him at the american royal against the blacks. what do you think?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 10, 2013, 03:20:31 PM
Thats a cool looking dude-if you take him to the Royal-dont forget to get stall pics-from behind etc- O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Gargan on June 10, 2013, 03:50:15 PM
i like the looks of your bull. like to see a rear pic
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on June 10, 2013, 04:45:05 PM
That's an extremely smooth made Full Blood.  He appears to be put together nicely. I believe he would do well at the Royal. Go for it!

I wouldn't think twice about using him on Shorthorn cows.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on June 11, 2013, 06:20:49 PM
i like the looks of your bull. like to see a rear pic
here you go with a rear pic. added a cunia pic. i see some similar characteristics between him and yukon, but yukon is a more moderate package with more volume than cunia had when i saw him in canada. yukon also has a very different bloodline, amaa 430204.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Gargan on June 12, 2013, 05:33:11 PM
Still impressed!! (thumbsup)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 12, 2013, 07:40:58 PM
not only that, but cunia is a carrier for monkey mouth and spastic pareisis and is over $200 unit.

i can't believe these clubby guys aren't trying to remake some of these crossed up bulls without cunia bloodlines.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Gargan on June 12, 2013, 08:30:05 PM
Cunia appears to be weak in his top,. Was that s characteristic of some of his offspring? I'm not real familiar with his prodigy other than have seen some good cows out of him.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on June 12, 2013, 08:49:35 PM
I agree. Some of the other bulls posted have had weak tops too.  This Yukon bull I like a lot though.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 12, 2013, 09:07:42 PM
It is my opinion that the break behind the withers is a major fault in Maines that is easy to get even in Purebreds.

This is why it should be a priority to make some new Purebreds without cunia in addition to his two defects as well as him having one of the worst marbling epd's in the breed. The faster the breed dumps him, the better.

Hopefully he's a good candidate of markers devoid of marbling.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 12, 2013, 11:06:13 PM
I agree. Some of the other bulls posted have had weak tops too.  This Yukon bull I like a lot though.

and some do not.  the contrast was posted on purpose.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on June 13, 2013, 03:54:23 PM
I agree. Some of the other bulls posted have had weak tops too.  This Yukon bull I like a lot though.

and some do not.  the contrast was posted on purpose.
yukon could be better topped but is not bad considering his volume. i think 4 mos in the cooler by day and out for exercise at night along with rinsing and working his hair will do the trick. look at his picture and just think what 2" of hair and a clip job will do.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on June 13, 2013, 04:08:38 PM
I really like this bull, Doc-Sun. He just looks like a more fault free kind of bull but still has enough power then most. I think he has a better design and is proportioned better then Cunia. He needs to be shown off at the Royal.

You know I like those two other calves as well. How is the Darco coming along?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: oakview on June 13, 2013, 04:27:50 PM
I heard one of our past ASA executive secretaries state that Cunia was one of the two most impressive mature bulls of any breed he had seen.  Believe me, he'd seen a lot of them.  I had 3 Cunia X Shorthorn cows and I wish I still had them.  Are you Maine breeders sour on him mainly because of the 2 defects?  I always thought he was popular because of his relative calving ease and his ability to pretty them up a little.   
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on June 13, 2013, 04:57:49 PM
I heard one of our past ASA executive secretaries state that Cunia was one of the two most impressive mature bulls of any breed he had seen.  Believe me, he'd seen a lot of them.  I had 3 Cunia X Shorthorn cows and I wish I still had them.  Are you Maine breeders sour on him mainly because of the 2 defects?  I always thought he was popular because of his relative calving ease and his ability to pretty them up a little.   
i am not sour on cunia at all except for the fact that he and epinal are in most maine pedigrees multiple times top and bottom. i am trying to offer and raise better more modern bulls with outcross pedigrees.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on June 13, 2013, 05:45:33 PM
I think Cunia had the ability to thicken, downsize and add maternal milk better then any Maine that was imported. With that said, Cunia rarely or directly sired national champions. It's of different opinions what he worked best on but you will usually find him in black Maine's that have some Novino derivatives (Epinal, Etulason, Covino III etc.) along with some of those big power boys that where notorious for being hard calvers such as Bysantin, Univers, Loujou, Dalton and numerous others. It is almost impossible to find a high profile purebred or percentage Maine without Cunia especially on the maternal side. Black Gold probably was his most successful son. He was double bred Cunia and probably had some Chianina x Angus as the base cow.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 13, 2013, 07:26:35 PM
i'm not sour on cunia.  i just wish people would try something else.

from a commercial standpoint, it would not be a good thing to be known as a marble remover.

my biggest concern is his carcass, and yes, the other two defects are annoying.

they probably will both be testable shortly, so not that big of a deal.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: oakview on June 14, 2013, 10:04:19 AM
Thanks for the clarifications.  Perhaps I read more into some of the previous comments than was intended.  I always held Cunia in high regard.  By the way, I think the Yukon bull would look good in my pasture and probably most of the other pastures that I can think of.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 15, 2013, 12:02:44 PM
Here's some Fullbloods in the Netherlands I think

Page loads slow. Others are simmi's

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=A4FQYQFE (http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=A4FQYQFE)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on June 15, 2013, 12:25:26 PM
Please post some links to Fullblood Maine breeder's websites so I can see whats out there.  I can only find a few through google.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 15, 2013, 01:08:06 PM
Do you want to buy or kick tires.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on June 15, 2013, 01:22:02 PM
Do you want to buy or kick tires.

I always kick the tires before I buy  ;)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 15, 2013, 01:26:52 PM
Well. Most of the info is not on the web. Doc-son is probably your best bet.

Otherwise you will have to go to Canada for DNA verified pedigrees that don't contain cunia.

Most in the states has cunia and are not verified.

If you like Cunia, there is plenty around.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 15, 2013, 01:45:00 PM
Heres the english translation of the german page

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&u=http://maine-anjou.de/ (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&u=http://maine-anjou.de/)

Basically just a few german breeders starting out with some cattle from their french friends.

They use the semen list from the french association and are aware of the double muscling gene.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on June 15, 2013, 01:55:10 PM
http://tugsmaineanjou.com/ (http://tugsmaineanjou.com/)

http://www.manitoumaineanjou.ca/ (http://www.manitoumaineanjou.ca/)

http://magpiemaines.webs.com/sires.htm (http://magpiemaines.webs.com/sires.htm)

http://www.eaglebutteranch.com/maine%20anjou%20cattle.htm (http://www.eaglebutteranch.com/maine%20anjou%20cattle.htm)

http://www.4jfamilypartnership.com/p/fullbloods.html (http://www.4jfamilypartnership.com/p/fullbloods.html)

here's a few links to some breeders.  Only place I saw heifers listed for sale had nice stock but they're bws ranged from 105-140  :o
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 15, 2013, 02:19:17 PM
You missed hermosa cattle.com

Like i said, you wont find many more on web.

Everybody mostly knows who everybody is.

Doc-son will help you out if you are truly interested.

The birth weights in general are going to be bigger than angus, but there are some that are not like you indicated.

You are going to have to visit with people and find out at some point by trying something.

Trust your own eye for your own goals.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 17, 2013, 11:51:23 PM
Here's a Fullblood used on shorthorns.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: garybob on June 18, 2013, 11:34:05 AM
Here's a Fullblood used on shorthorns.
Who was he, Knabe?

GB
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 18, 2013, 04:10:28 PM
epl prospector 242p

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2435&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5821202E2E&8=56&10=373733353F37&11=20 (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2435&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5821202E2E&8=56&10=373733353F37&11=20)

barkhurst purchased him and a full sib when the canadian breeder dispersed.  the full sib showed up in a few pedigrees i was interested in in purebred maine's and one fullblood.  he obviously used 242 in shorthorns a few times.  barkhurst said the other one (242p) was better, so he collected him.  him and i should be the only one's with semen.

he is the closest animal i could find to vainqueur.  supposedly he was a calf champion at some show in canada.

border creek future was a moderate fullblood and threw it.

the semen is good as it was successful for a flush.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on June 18, 2013, 06:58:07 PM
Here's a Fullblood used on shorthorns.
mark & i flushed my 8s cow to prospector and have a calf coming this fall and 6 frozen embryos left
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 20, 2013, 12:49:42 AM
prospector is the closest thing i could get to below bull.

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2458242525&9=525E5D27 (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2458242525&9=525E5D27)

his name is vainqueur.  most negative comments on vainqueur people say are he's too straight fronted and probably too heavy.  on the other hand, he is extremely masculine for a fullblood and he's got a good top and a whale of rear compared to many fullbloods.  harlan ritchie commented he was the best bull of any breed when he visited europe in the early 70's.  he was sent to slaughter at age probably 6 as they didn't keep bulls around too long. at the time, ritchie saw cunia's dam and sire and a few other bulls in pedigree's and made comments on them.  i've been trying to get more notes than i have.  Red gave me a copy of them a long time ago. i think he compares nicely with my two favorite shorthorn bulls, buster and leroy

he's the only fullblood that browarny could find in his catalog that he took when he was in france.  there's probably others, but he couldn't find any.  supposedly they are converting all the pictures to digital in super hi-res format.

basically i've been trying to collect semen that goes to vainqueur or his grandsire without etula.

i feel he is a source of thickness in maine's. they are not always the prettiest.  another thing, is that they seem to almost always have 6-8 of the original markers for feed efficiency.  fullbloods in general are almost fixed for T1, somewhat for T3 and T2 is rare, though i found that too.  in fact, i found all the original markers in fullbloods which probably doesn't matter.  i use them anyway to evaluate homo or hetero along with parentage markers.  frequently, the one's that are more hetero don't breed consistently after visiting with many old breeders and not telling them ahead of time.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 20, 2013, 08:19:46 AM
To me the Prospector bull looks a little narrower in the rear to have a heavy maine front. (in terms of being a maine,not a milking Shorthorn). But hes deep bodied and smooth made for a Maine,along with nut twist like alot of them have.I would be afraid that he wouldnt make them thick butted enough in terms of the BW trade-off. Youd have to breed him to a very level (pins-hooks) and square cow-EG-CLUBBY,and likely might not have as consistant looking calves to be a changer:youd sure need to watch the rear wheels and be there when they calved. . O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 20, 2013, 09:57:17 AM
Agree. I like his top line. The rest I know where to get.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on June 20, 2013, 04:26:00 PM
The only way to really judge that Prospector bull is to look at the offspring. Apparantly Barkhurst thought a lot of this guy.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 20, 2013, 07:41:55 PM
maine offspring.  not sure if there is overlap between offspring.  aaok had one.

http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=575811 (http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=575811)   he liked her but only got one calf out of her.

maine Offspring of EPL Prospector 240P:
172297
172329
172342
172348
R48783

maine Offspring of EPL Prospector 242P:
113770
113771
113840
115164
115165
115166
115476
118481
118482
118483
125796
126222
126223
126224
126227
126228
126231
126232
129466
138540
138545
138546
138547
138548
140175
141778
141779
141783
141784
141785
141789
141792
141795
141796
153922
153925
153926
153927
153928
153929
153931
153932
153938
153943
154128
154129
183496
98603
98604
98605
98606
98607
98813
98814
98815
98817

shorthorn offspring of 242p.  there were none of 240P

*AR26251    B22    D AND M B22    3/20/1992   F   3801527
*AR23560    A38    RABAR A38    3/17/1991   F   sx3906022
*AR23547    1323Z    D AND M 1323Z    4/8/1990   F   3788311
*AR20467    1308Z    DANDM 1308Z    4/5/1990   F   3735567
*AR17890    190    D AND M PROSPECTOR190    3/27/1990   M   3801527
*AR20465    1329Z    DANDM 1329Z    3/27/1990   F   3801525
*AR20466    1362Z    DANDM 1362Z    3/2/1990   F   3859068
*AR23555    1263Y    D AND M 1263Y    4/15/1989   F   3770500
*AR29870    1251Y    D AND M 1251Y    4/6/1989   F   3735567
*sxAR23556    1267Y    D AND M 1267Y    4/3/1989   F   3788315
*AR16014    176    HOT SHOT    3/29/1989   M   3691361
*AR16013    179    LUCKY SEVEN    3/28/1989   M   3735562
*AR16015    178    RED BOMBER    3/24/1989   M   3691360
*AR16016    177    PISTOL PETE    3/23/1989   M   3788310
*AR16012    182    RED ROLLER    3/22/1989   M   3735566
*xAR16409    1275    D AND M 1275    3/22/1989   F   3801527
*AR23554    1255Y    D AND M 1255Y    3/22/1989   F   3716411
*AR23557    1274Y    D AND M 1274Y    3/19/1989   F   3801531
*AR16105    202X    EPL IMPROVER 202X    5/10/1988   F   x3698462
*sxAR23551    1163X    RABAR 1163X    5/8/1988   F   3788313
*AR25354    DBH307X    PP BRIGHT STAR    5/8/1988   F   3770500
*AR23550    1160X    D AND M 1160X    5/6/1988   F   3691364
*AR16107    203X    EPL IMPROVER 203X    4/3/1988   F   3735562
*AR23541    1184X    D AND M 1184X    4/3/1988   F   3691361
*AR14737    167    DIVIDEND PROSPECTOR 2    3/29/1988   M   3735563
*AR16106    201X    EPL IMPROVER 201X    3/28/1988   F   x3698463
*AR23552    1183X    D AND M 1183X    3/22/1988   F   *AR14962
*AR23553    1190X    D AND M 1190X    3/18/1988   F   3788312
*AR14736    166    DIVIDEND PROSPECTOR    3/12/1988   M   3735561
*AR16104    200X    EPL ROANY 200X    3/5/1988   F   x3699303
*AR23543    1108V    D AND M 1108V    4/6/1987   F   x3698463
*AR20387    DB9    D AND M PROSPECTOR 9    3/25/1987   M   3735561
*AR23548    1126V    D AND M 1126V    3/11/1987   F   3735562
*AR23549    1134V    D AND M 1134V    3/9/1987   F   3735563
MA113770       MISS LUCY
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 24, 2013, 11:27:14 PM
more old bulls
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: oakview on June 25, 2013, 08:56:24 AM
It seems as if I remember a warning in a semen catalog that Crack should be used on mature females only.  An old time Maine breeder from Indiana had some Crack semen and was encouraged to dump it due to calving issues.  I had good luck with my Dollar IIs.  Only had 1 Capone calf, he was okay.  Had a few other straws but my tank went bad about a year and a half ago. 
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 25, 2013, 11:27:24 AM
It seems as if I remember a warning in a semen catalog that Crack should be used on mature females only.  An old time Maine breeder from Indiana had some Crack semen and was encouraged to dump it due to calving issues.  I had good luck with my Dollar IIs.  Only had 1 Capone calf, he was okay.  Had a few other straws but my tank went bad about a year and a half ago.

yup. still, i'm collecting some of this old stuff so it can get on chips.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on June 25, 2013, 06:17:52 PM
Dollar II was known for throwing some of the best calves. Still a bunch of potential, IMO. He and Darco along with some others would be my pick if I were to go back and use some of those old boys.

Capone was a double muscle carrier and a bit risky for that reason.

Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 25, 2013, 10:42:22 PM
Defects don't bother me if there's a test and there is for dm. It's more important to get the semen used to collect new stuff.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on June 26, 2013, 08:38:20 AM
Telos, can you list all the dm carriers you know that are Fullbloods?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: oakview on June 26, 2013, 09:11:36 AM
I had heard Dollar II was a carrier of the double muscling gene.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on July 07, 2013, 01:47:43 PM
http://aggieabroad.blogspot.com/2011/06/maine-anjou-cattle-farm.html (http://aggieabroad.blogspot.com/2011/06/maine-anjou-cattle-farm.html)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on July 07, 2013, 01:57:24 PM
here's a belgium site.

picture loading is realllllly slow.

http://www.maine-anjou.be (http://www.maine-anjou.be)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on July 07, 2013, 02:01:48 PM
http://www.cia-crespelle.com/catalogue-taureaux-rouge-des-pres.php (http://www.cia-crespelle.com/catalogue-taureaux-rouge-des-pres.php)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on July 07, 2013, 02:19:33 PM
Hey Knabe-what happened to those French cattle?-at least the bulls-Those backlegs on the AI bulls look crazy-those cattle look like they've fallen apart compared to the older pics-and certainly compared to the later fullbloods being posted on here.Id sure like to see a pic of Dollar the 2nd-Deertrail had a really good cow called Dollars Alice-who created the Countess family. O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on July 07, 2013, 09:45:10 PM
look at the previous link.

for france, there are 3 decent bulls.  the one with the most white, Savoyard, i like the most.

Beethoven and Mascotte are ok.  these three are probably the most normal fullbloods in france i've seen in a while.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on July 08, 2013, 12:02:37 AM
click on the text link below the video

Race Rouge des Prés on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/61880399)

they obviously aren't the greatest showmen.

sort of interesting so many people in the ring.

Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on July 08, 2013, 12:06:36 AM
be sure to look at the other breeds.

http://vimeo.com/concoursagricole/videos (http://vimeo.com/concoursagricole/videos)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on July 08, 2013, 12:08:47 AM
i'd be curious to see those bulls breed.  they probably can't breed many cows before they get tired.

i can't believe they are selecting those cattle.

probably yet just another example of it having to get worse before it swings the other extreme rather than breeding for average.

this is the french national show and no one can show.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on July 08, 2013, 08:53:16 AM
I didnt get to see the maines-but les salers avec la grande derrier were interesting-wut a bunch a beasts O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on July 09, 2013, 11:11:28 AM
I agree on Savoyard-Beetoven doesnt look thick or deep enough-although hes smooth-the others are too extreme-especially the two with the circular back legs O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on July 09, 2013, 02:58:31 PM
I sure like the Blonde bulls. 
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on August 11, 2013, 11:05:57 AM
anyone have any experience with this bull?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on September 26, 2013, 11:27:12 AM
fullblood tidal wave heifer (426189) with mma handy 20y (424504) heifer calf born unassisted. 4 heifer calves so far by handy (2 fb & 2 3/4 black) all unassisted. no bulls yet.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on September 27, 2013, 10:07:08 PM
is tidal wave mvh revival?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on September 29, 2013, 12:41:21 PM
He is. We had our unassisted bull calf by handy and a l3 ipy first calf full blood heifer we raised. Here is darc storm.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on October 11, 2013, 10:20:39 AM
Does anyone have pics of

general Jackson 223y
Dabla's pride
Dablas pride 85p
Ajm eclat

I sent them in for the 1000 animal geneseq project.

The markers were sent to Canadian assn so calves can be registered in both assn's.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on October 16, 2013, 04:01:20 PM
Does anyone have pics of

general Jackson 223y
Dabla's pride
Dablas pride 85p
Ajm eclat

I sent them in for the 1000 animal geneseq project.

The markers were sent to Canadian assn so calves can be registered in both assn's.
contact the gal in canada who won't send you the magazines you bought. lol lol......
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on October 16, 2013, 04:03:31 PM
taking the boys to get collected tomorrow.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on October 16, 2013, 05:27:29 PM
Those are two really nice bulls. The boy on the right is extremely eye appealing and might have some potential as a Cunia alternative. He looks better, IMO.

Darc Storm is coming on nicely, too. He might not be everyones cup of tea but he sure has tremendous outcross potential and is already showing some capacity.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on October 16, 2013, 08:30:30 PM
Those are two really nice bulls. The boy on the right is extremely eye appealing and might have some potential as a Cunia alternative. He looks better, IMO.

Darc Storm is coming on nicely, too. He might not be everyones cup of tea but he sure has tremendous outcross potential and is already showing some capacity.
I saw Cunia personally and I think Yukon is better. He is thicker and more moderate and bigger footed. We have never had to trim his feet and he is 32 mo old. If I had black or red clubby cows that bordered on being too straight I would use him over and over again then come back clubby on those females.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Duncraggan on October 19, 2013, 11:59:47 AM
That bull on the right is magnificent.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on October 19, 2013, 01:21:57 PM
I have to agree that he is pretty special. I sure would like to see a video and see how well he travels.

Doc- Sun you might have something very important. I never saw Cunia but saw the first round of F-1's out of mostly Black Angus cows. At the time, I was not very impressed with his calves because he was not a big changer in frame score (Most breeders wanted more frame). I thought  they did not have enough grow in them because they were so chunky for their age, mostly 4-5 months when I saw them and most looked like they did not have enough gas. If your bull can do what Cunia has done without the issues of Monkey mouth or being too straight he will be a great one.

I hope your bull is sampled by enough breeders and proves to be an alternative to Cunia minus those negative issues. It will be interesting to see what the future holds.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on October 19, 2013, 02:12:17 PM
He is entered in kc & Louisville going to enter in Denver & ft worth got 400 units of semen on the 1st 2 jumps and jumped 1 more time at genex in mo I am thinking about getting whole herd video done soon IMO brad hooks videos are the best quality my handy bull above is going to be the bull for heifers and smaller frames Yukon will be registered as 3/4 shorthorn next wk already dna'd but will get th & pha done although I think he is by pedigree
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on October 25, 2013, 10:59:56 AM
He is entered in kc & Louisville going to enter in Denver & ft worth got 400 units of semen on the 1st 2 jumps and jumped 1 more time at genex in mo I am thinking about getting whole herd video done soon IMO brad hooks videos are the best quality my handy bull above is going to be the bull for heifers and smaller frames Yukon will be registered as 3/4 shorthorn next wk already dna'd but will get th & pha done although I think he is by pedigree
yukon phone pic today
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on October 25, 2013, 05:22:48 PM
Good luck Doc-Sun. He sure has a lot of good things going for him. One of the smoothest Fullbloods I've seen. Being conservatively marked is also a big plus.

Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 10, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
http://www.wetaskiwinonline.com/rapidcreek/images/sale/The_Maine_Way_Sale_Catalogue.pdf (http://www.wetaskiwinonline.com/rapidcreek/images/sale/The_Maine_Way_Sale_Catalogue.pdf)

really like lot 27.

a video is here.

http://www.cattlevids.ca/2013/maineway2013.html (http://www.cattlevids.ca/2013/maineway2013.html)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on November 11, 2013, 04:04:14 AM
Looks like a nice sale. Lot 27 is my pick in the Fullblood department. Buret X Mel's Semi-Automatic super combination and took an impressive picture.
Outcross for those Shorthorn folks and would play off with those Sonny's.

Lot 50 looks super with an interesting pedigree. She would work in numerous operations. She has Paramount along with some other powerful genetics. Wonder if she is PHAC?



Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on November 11, 2013, 11:23:14 PM
Looks like a nice sale. Lot 27 is my pick in the Fullblood department. Buret X Mel's Semi-Automatic super combination and took an impressive picture.
Outcross for those Shorthorn folks and would play off with those Sonny's.

Lot 50 looks super with an interesting pedigree. She would work in numerous operations. She has Paramount along with some other powerful genetics. Wonder if she is PHAC?


From seeing them in person this is an awesome set of Maine animals. 

I have never tested for TH or PHA so not sure on that point.  How do you go about testing that?  I'm still working on learning the business and how to do these things. 

If she caught to CWC Zip 53Z I think that combination could produce a heck of a calf.  He was lot 10 in our 2013 Fullblood sale (www.foundationssale.com (http://www.foundationssale.com)).  We'll find out tomorrow when we preg check them.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Promiseland on November 13, 2013, 12:31:47 AM
I have a Pld FB female that is a full sister to the Gee Bar Super Dude bull.. She is turning 16 and plan on a few long overdue and much deserved flushes on her. I am hoping to do 1 or 2 FB flushes on her. Has been one of the very best cows of any breed I have been associated with!! Have only bred her FB once (Cunia) and got an alright bull calf. Other than that she has been the backbone to my Shorthorn herd and her lineage continues to produce my best year after year.  She is moderate framed female, pretty good milker and keeper. Have been told General Jackson on her but was wondering if anyone had any ideas and or advice.  Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 13, 2013, 08:24:33 AM
How did you come to purchase her?

Thats a rather prominent fullblood to have and not reproduce her earlier.

Can we see a picture?

In general, polled fullbloods can suffer from not attractive hips, especially males and especiallly polled, ie more culls unless one is wiling to keep trying.

Without a pic i cant really make a recommendation other than to keep it old, but then youmrun the risk of semen quality on older cow.

I would use a polled bull and a horned bull if i were you.

 I would also use a bull that smicrosatellite parentage is available and get your cow's microsatellites done as well.  They are both done for both parents of your cow. That way you can register offsspring in both associations. I am trying to get genral jackson into the canadian association. I have some at sek.

The above bull is nice as well.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 13, 2013, 08:39:43 AM
Actually general jackson just showed up in cmaa

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5A582521252D&9=5F5F5F50 (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5A582521252D&9=5F5F5F50)

 Not sure why the dna file number doesnt show up.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on November 14, 2013, 03:47:33 PM
Are there any pictures ogf Genral Jackson or any progeny? Ive had several people say Hed work on a Shorthorn-as long as they were not high BW genetics-AND YES THEY EXIST O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on November 14, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
Mark, I have tried to find a photo of him. Seen his offspring many years ago in Texas. They have a lot of grow and get pretty framey out of moderate framed Fullbloods. Cannot remember feet and legs but probably good in that respect. When you look at Black Maine genetics, he seems to have all the genetic components to play off Cunia influenced cattle. IMO, he needs to be downsized, especially from a pedigree perspective. He can really add a good profile with nice lines and a long clean neck, but probably will not be the best for calving ease.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 14, 2013, 09:23:33 PM
there's a lot of thickness and length in his pedigree.

a little bit of outcross as well on the bottom.

ajm eclat is similarly bred on the bottom.

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2627232721&9=5F5F5B5C (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2627232721&9=5F5F5B5C)


Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on November 18, 2013, 11:58:34 AM
fullblood tidal wave heifer (426189) with mma handy 20y (424504) heifer calf born unassisted. 4 heifer calves so far by handy (2 fb & 2 3/4 black) all unassisted. no bulls yet.

update: looks like handy will work on blacks too and calve easy as he is a smaller
fullblood. we will have semen soon.
                                               
http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=372823 (http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=372823)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on November 20, 2013, 01:17:31 PM
yukon at the trough and slash breeding cows
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 20, 2013, 01:55:44 PM
really like the looks of yukon.  his cannon bones are shorter than most fullbloods (a good thing).  he is thick and smooth, especially his flat shoulder.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on November 20, 2013, 07:03:38 PM
Both really good looking, high quality bulls. Hard to fault those two.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Barry Farms on November 21, 2013, 09:37:35 PM
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Yukon looks better every time you post him.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 22, 2013, 02:37:53 PM

Lot 50 looks super with an interesting pedigree. She would work in numerous operations. She has Paramount along with some other powerful genetics. Wonder if she is PHAC?


http://www.cattlevids.ca/2013/maineway2013.html (http://www.cattlevids.ca/2013/maineway2013.html)

videos are up.  50 (purebred) looks good.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: oakview on November 22, 2013, 03:46:28 PM
Why do you have the picture of Tom Harkin?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 22, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
Why do you have the picture of Tom Harkin?

Because he smiles while he says "regime we are building for america"
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on November 22, 2013, 04:29:34 PM
Doc-Sun or anyone have info on Manitou's Zurich other then pedigree?  He's pictured on Manitou's Website and looks hard to fault with an outcross pedigree. Super internal dimension.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 22, 2013, 05:22:37 PM
here's his sire, maybe. i think he's also the bull advertised for 25K in shorthorn country. 

http://www.maine-anjou.fr/uploads/rte/File/RougePres_fichesTaureaux/Tendon.pdf (http://www.maine-anjou.fr/uploads/rte/File/RougePres_fichesTaureaux/Tendon.pdf)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on November 22, 2013, 05:39:53 PM
Knabe, I like the pic of this Tendon daughter, Zurich's sire. Not so much mass but design. Zurich has a lot of white and maybe too much for those breeders wanting solid color but I would think Shorthorn breeders could get excited.

Manitou's Perelly also looks super complete. Hard to say anything bad about this guy, IMO.
http://www.manitoumaineanjou.ca/index.php?page=gallery/indimg.php&indid=106&catid=13 (http://www.manitoumaineanjou.ca/index.php?page=gallery/indimg.php&indid=106&catid=13)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on November 23, 2013, 07:59:53 PM
SH breeders want shorthorns.  The maternal breed needs long, flat muscled easy fleshing cattle- characteristics which are antagonistic to the strength of Maines.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 23, 2013, 08:31:56 PM
Why not just use holsteins. 

Plenty of flat muscled maines.

Not so many easy fleshing.

I'm always leery of easy fleshing cattle as ive seen too many easy fleshing cows that cant milk. Gotta be careful there.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on November 23, 2013, 09:18:15 PM
If I could find some that only milked about 4 gallons a day in a 1300lb package, I'd be all over them.

I think you're spot on w/ the milk though.

To me it's a type issue. People try to change the type in order to match certain environments. IMO, ideal (type) is ideal (type).  Cattle just need to be scaled either up or down in terms of size to match their environment. I love the phenotype of a dry Holstein cow.  The problem is just that most are too big and milk too much. Scale em down and moderate the milk. Leave the type alone.   Inject the muscle from the sire side through one of the coarser muscled Maine bulls here. Specialize.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 26, 2013, 09:56:55 PM
maine way sale results.  first number is sale order.  second number is lot number from catalog

2   12   RAPID CREEKS MISS 504Y   1   Cow   $3,400.00   On Site Buyer
3   3   RAPID CREEKS MISS 102W   1   Cow   $2,100.00   On Site Buyer
4   31   ZMA MISS WIT 115W   1   Cow   $3,200.00   On Site Buyer
5   1 SCRATCH   SCRATCH - RAPID CREEKS MISS 104U   1   Cow   $2,000.00   
6   5   RAPID CREEKS MISS 2X   1   Cow   $2,000.00   On Site Buyer
7   30   ZMA MISS WILDFIRE 37W   1   Cow   $3,700.00   On Site Buyer
8   17   RAPID CREEKS MISS 581Z   1   Bred Hfr   $3,000.00   Douglas Kerr - Ninette, MB
9   47   WILDBERRYS ZENAIDA 97Z   1   Bred Hfr   $3,000.00   Douglas Kerr - Ninette, MB
10   48   WILDBERRYS ZIRKA 2Z   1   Bred Hfr   $3,100.00   On Site Buyer
11   24   STENBERGS ZOTA 68Z   1   Bred Hfr   $2,700.00   allen pitcher -Cardston, AB
12   37   ZMA MISS ROCK STAR 6Z   1   Bred Hfr   $2,900.00   On Site Buyer
13   38   ZMA MISS LINDA 23Z   1   Bred Hfr   $2,200.00   On Site Buyer
14   22   RAPID CREEKS MISS 538A   1   Hfr Calf   $2,400.00   On Site Buyer
15   27   STENBERGS AGGIE 15A   1   Hfr Calf   $2,400.00   On Site Buyer
16   40   ZMA MISS 269A   1   Hfr Calf   $1,800.00   On Site Buyer
17   19   RAPID CREEKS MISS 400A   1   Hfr Calf   $1,400.00   On Site Buyer
18   21   RAPID CREEKS MISS 503A   1   Hfr Calf   $2,500.00   On Site Buyer
19   29   STENBERGS ALBERTA 10A   1   Hfr Calf   $2,600.00   Douglas Kerr - Ninette, MB
20   7   RAPID CREEKS MISS 507X   1   Cow   $4,300.00   McCormack Family Ranch -Grenfell, SK
21   2   RAPID CREEKS MISS 4W   1   Cow   $2,400.00   On Site Buyer
22   6   RAPID CREEKS MISS 102X   1   Cow   $2,200.00   On Site Buyer
23   11   RAPID CREEKS MISS 500Y   1   Cow   $2,200.00   On Site Buyer
24   10   RAPID CREEKS MISS 576X   1   Cow   $2,500.00   Douglas Kerr - Ninette, MB
25   36   ZMA MISS YOLANDA 57Y   1   Cow   $2,200.00   On Site Buyer
26   50   CWC ZOE 96Z   1   Bred Hfr   $2,200.00   On Site Buyer
27   42   WILDBERRYS ZURI 71Z   1   Bred Hfr   $2,000.00   On Site Buyer
28   46   WILDBERRYS ZITKALA 61Z   1   Bred Hfr   $2,500.00   On Site Buyer
29   43   WILDBERRYS ZAYDA 40Z   1   Bred Hfr   $2,000.00   allen pitcher -Cardston, AB
30   49   WILDBERRYS ZHIVA 205Z   1   Bred Hfr   $3,100.00   On Site Buyer
31   34   ZMA MISS IRISH ZABRINA 38Z   1   Cow   $2,700.00   On Site Buyer
32   35   ZMA MISS LITTLE FIRE 87Z   1   Bred Hfr   $2,800.00   Douglas Kerr - Ninette, MB
33   18   RAPID CREEKS MISS 598Z   1   Bred Hfr   $2,700.00   On Site Buyer
34   20   RAPID CREEKS MISS 403A   1   Hfr Calf   $1,400.00   On Site Buyer
35   39   ZMA MISS 263A   1   Hfr Calf   $1,600.00   On Site Buyer
36   41   ZMA MISS 342A   1   Hfr Calf   $2,000.00   JBMMaines-Killarney, MB
37   28   STENBERGS ANITA 19A   1   Hfr Calf   $2,900.00   Douglas Kerr - Ninette, MB
38   23   RAPID CREEKS MISS 576A   1   Hfr Calf   $1,400.00   Douglas Kerr - Ninette, MB
39   26   STENBERGS AMY 6A   1   Hfr Calf   $2,400.00   Miles Rose -Estevan, SK
40   32   ZMA MISS RED WIT 99X   1   Cow   $2,700.00   On Site Buyer
41   33   ZMA MISS IRISH ICE 67Y   1   Cow   $2,500.00   On Site Buyer
42   9   RAPID CREEKS MISS 536X   1   Cow   $2,200.00   On Site Buyer
43   8   RAPID CREEKS MISS 522X   1   Cow   $2,600.00   On Site Buyer
44   13   RAPID CREEKS MISS 510Y   1   Cow   $2,000.00   On Site Buyer
45   14   RAPID CREEKS MISS 587Y   1   Cow   $2,200.00   On Site Buyer
46   15   RAPID CREEKS MISS 501Z   1   Bred Hfr   $1,850.00   On Site Buyer
47   16   RAPID CREEKS MISS 506Z   1   Bred Hfr   $2,050.00   On Site Buyer
48   45   WILDBERRYS ZITA 11Z   1   Bred Hfr   $2,200.00   Douglas Kerr - Ninette, MB
49   44   WILDBERRYS ZELMA 27Z   1   Bred Hfr   $2,200.00   allen pitcher -Cardston, AB
50   25   STENBERGS SKYE 4S   1   Cow   $2,400.00   On Site Buyer
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on December 09, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
-Thanks Knabe for posting the results for "The Maine Way" sale!

-doc-sun, I like the pictures of Yukon!

-Got a couple pictures of the heifers we showed at farmfair in Edmonton but couldn't figure out how to get them small enough for Steer Planet.  So if anyone wants to take a look they are posted on the home page of our website www.cwccattle.com (http://www.cwccattle.com) .  The yearling is a Gee Bar Polled Super Dude daughter ( http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5A5826252224&9=5E525059 (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5A5826252224&9=5E525059) ) and the calf is a Dabla daughter and probably the widest heifer I've ever raised
( http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5A5825232520&9=5E525058 (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5A5825232520&9=5E525058) )
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 10, 2013, 10:46:06 AM
Magazine - Portrait d'un éleveur d'AOC Maine Anjou on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/58550205)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 10, 2013, 11:38:58 AM
found a french document on line that mentions two durham bulls being imported to france, one called Paulinius, born in England in 1839, and in 1842, Pandarus
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 10, 2013, 02:42:53 PM
http://lesbiodiversitaires.over-blog.fr/article-des-populations-de-vaches-bretonnes-oubliees-116264381.html (http://lesbiodiversitaires.over-blog.fr/article-des-populations-de-vaches-bretonnes-oubliees-116264381.html)

the translation of the montage of pics from...
Montage présentant une vache Mancelle (1856, en haut au centre), entourée de plusieurs photos montrant des vaches bretonnes de type « Mancelle occidentale ». On notera la grande similitude de l’ensemble des animaux entre eux et avec la Mancelle du XIXe siècle.


Mancelle assembly having a cow (1856 , top center ) , surrounded by several photos showing Breton cows type "Western Mancelle ." Note the similarity of all animals between themselves and with the Mancelle nineteenth century.
 
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 10, 2013, 09:19:29 PM
http://goo.gl/UbMuwq (http://goo.gl/UbMuwq)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 13, 2013, 03:19:39 PM
here's 32 pages of pictures of maine's in france.

a couple of pages are them using them to plow.

in the old days, maine's were a three purpose breed, as many were, plow, milk, meat.

http://www.arioko.com/liste.asp?aimage_motscles2=maine%2Danjou&thispage=27 (http://www.arioko.com/liste.asp?aimage_motscles2=maine%2Danjou&thispage=27)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on December 13, 2013, 03:36:24 PM
might be the largest cattle I've ever seen
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 13, 2013, 07:33:44 PM
For some reason, the french think they live in texas.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 17, 2013, 03:48:23 AM
Article on sharecropping that mentions Durham/mancelle cattle

http://core.kmi.open.ac.uk/download/pdf/6229101.pdf (http://core.kmi.open.ac.uk/download/pdf/6229101.pdf)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 17, 2013, 11:15:53 AM
excerpt from cattle and dairy farming, 1887.  a pretty neat book.  look around at the other books.  pretty cool.

http://jlmissouri.com/free-books/ (http://jlmissouri.com/free-books/)

THE MANCELLE BREED.
TheraceMancelleisdestinedtodisappear. Thepurebreedisonly found among some poor farmers, and then of an inferior tyi)e. It is difficult to study the pure breed, and scarcely interesting: or instruct- ive. I have succeeded in oljtaining a cut of this race. Although cai)a- bleofwork,theyareratherclassedasordinaryworkers. TheNorman graziers said that they often turned them into their pastures long- after the others, but they were the soonest fitted for the market of the capi- tal.
A short cut was discovered to utilize this race by develoi)ing it and at the same time exterminating it, or rather substituting for it a su- perior breed.
The early attempts to intioduce the Durham blood to ameliorate this race were so successful, and the transiormation so great, that it may be considered as a great stride in advancing the value of l-'rench cattle. The "Durham-Manceaux," as this br^cd is termed, has increased the ])recocity and projjcnsity tor fattening to a degree (as claimed by nian\ ) ofsuperioritytoallothercattleofnativeorcrossedbreeds. Llowexcr this may be, from the study at' these animals, which were very numc!- ous at the recent annual exhibition of animals for the butchery, as well as among the most successful breeders and fatteners of cattle, the iusion of these two bloods has })roduced exceilent results, such as increased
l)recocity. lighter bones, more developed fleshy parts, fuller chest, while diminishing the belly and rendering the ribs more cylindrical ; the neck be(toines shortened and the head liner. The Durham l)looil can also be successfully renewed in the Durham-Manceaux, and with such happy results an(l direct ])roof as the list of prizes taken by these cattle for many years attest.
The returns of net meat from the I)urha:ii-Manceaux is large, vary- ing from 05 to 72 [)er cent., weight from L',1()0 to 2,400 pounds, at three years, ten months of age.  The Durham-Manceaux must be considered one of the most valuable breeds which France possesses for food.




Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 17, 2013, 11:44:25 AM
old book i just purchased for delivery in a couple weeks.  i think it was published in 1968. it is in french.

i have no idea who the bull is on the cover. i like him.  too bad they don't look like that today in france.

i will obviously post a better picture when i get it.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 17, 2013, 04:24:14 PM
Amazing research (clapping) <party>  Its also sad that the cattle appear to be changing into a dairy breed:or are these piecy spider legged monsters.What happened to them? I remember you posted early(1930s) pictures of maines and they were really impressive thick cattle,and also appeared sound. Which was a huge transformation from the earliest pictures shown here from 1909.As were the ones exported in the 70s. O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 17, 2013, 04:57:21 PM
one has to remember in france in the late 1800-early 1900's, there was no feed in france and there was a lot of share cropping.  the sharecrop owners eventually formed breed societies, which i think there were 70 that formed maine-anjou. what i think happened is that during this time, maine's had the ability for either the largest compensatory gain of all the breeds and/or coupled with hybrid vigor from the infusion of the durham's that these cattle excelled compared to other cattle available to french breeders with respect to "last on pasture and first off pasture" fattening.  this was probably a much different environment/management than in britain and probably has something to say about their economic systems.  many "breeds", probably strains, disappeared fairly rapidly in europe, with many differences merely pigmentation color and or persistent pattern.  the piebold pattern that was developed in early domestication by various populations of humans, essentially creating land races due to terrain barriers, ie mountains.  i have never seen a picture of a roan fullblood, but have herd the odd comment here and there that there were some.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on December 24, 2013, 12:32:41 PM
Merry Christmas from all the Fullblood Maines at Hermosa Cattle Co. Yukon will see you in Denver at the Bright Lights.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 25, 2013, 11:29:46 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.maine-anjou.fr/uploads/rte/File/Dossier%2520de%2520presse/Dossier%2520de%2520presse-SIA2008.doc&prev=/search%3Fq%3DManuel%2Bpratique%2Bde%2Bl%2527%25C3%25A9leveur,%2BMaine-Anjou...%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.maine-anjou.fr/uploads/rte/File/Dossier%2520de%2520presse/Dossier%2520de%2520presse-SIA2008.doc&prev=/search%3Fq%3DManuel%2Bpratique%2Bde%2Bl%2527%25C3%25A9leveur,%2BMaine-Anjou...%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 25, 2013, 11:31:38 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.agrireseau.qc.ca/bovinsboucherie/documents/Noury252.pdf&prev=/search%3Fq%3DManuel%2Bpratique%2Bde%2Bl%2527%25C3%25A9leveur,%2BMaine-Anjou...%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.agrireseau.qc.ca/bovinsboucherie/documents/Noury252.pdf&prev=/search%3Fq%3DManuel%2Bpratique%2Bde%2Bl%2527%25C3%25A9leveur,%2BMaine-Anjou...%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 26, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
1927, 28, 29 show winner somewhere, Vorace

from the book La Race, Maine-anjou by Jacques Abafour, 1929.  the copy i got for christmas was signed.  kinda neat.  probably about 10-12 photographs.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on December 26, 2013, 07:29:02 PM
[url]http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.agrireseau.qc.ca/bovinsboucherie/documents/Noury252.pdf&prev=/search%3Fq%3DManuel%2Bpratique%2Bde%2Bl%2527%25C3%25A9leveur,%2BMaine-Anjou...%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den[/url] ([url]http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.agrireseau.qc.ca/bovinsboucherie/documents/Noury252.pdf&prev=/search%3Fq%3DManuel%2Bpratique%2Bde%2Bl%2527%25C3%25A9leveur,%2BMaine-Anjou...%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den[/url])

I read this and my interpretation is that while there is not enough production of Maine beef to
Influence large distributors in France small distributors and butchers can establish a very profitable niche by selling a superior product. This coincides with what I found when we butchered and consumed our show steers. If fed right a 3/8
Maine 1/8 chi 1/2 angus is more tender and flavorful
Than cab. The hamburger is the best
I have ever tasted.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on December 28, 2013, 09:44:29 AM
Doc-Sun. Very impressive Fullblood bull selling in the Bright Lights sale at Denver. I like his pedigree and profiles great in the picture. Progressive Shorthorn people might want to take a look here.

Embryos also look nice with some interesting genetics. The Prospector bull that Barkhurst sampled, is one I hunted down while looking at pedigrees. According to pedigree, he  goes back to a bull named Vainqueur which may be the same bull Browarny photographed in France. Harlan Ritchie thought he was the best bull he ever saw of any breed.

Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 28, 2013, 12:23:08 PM
bodini
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 28, 2013, 01:15:59 PM
found a reference to mancelle cattle.

http://tinyurl.com/lb8fyuu (http://tinyurl.com/lb8fyuu)

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://idele.fr/domaines-techniques/ameliorer-le-troupeau/ressources-genetiques/publication/idelesolr/recommends/la-saosnoise.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSaosnoise%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://idele.fr/domaines-techniques/ameliorer-le-troupeau/ressources-genetiques/publication/idelesolr/recommends/la-saosnoise.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSaosnoise%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den)


http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.crapal.fr/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D3%26Itemid%3D131&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSaosnoise%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.crapal.fr/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D3%26Itemid%3D131&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSaosnoise%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den)


http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.reussir-bovins.com/actualites/races-bovines-la-saosnoise-prend-son-independance-par-rapport-a-sa-cousine-la-rouge-des-pres:27435.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSaosnoise%26start%3D10%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1098%26bih%3D970 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.reussir-bovins.com/actualites/races-bovines-la-saosnoise-prend-son-independance-par-rapport-a-sa-cousine-la-rouge-des-pres:27435.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSaosnoise%26start%3D10%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1098%26bih%3D970)

interesting note that big heads come from mancelle.

http://www.regionalcattlebreeds.eu/country_and_breed_information/france/documents/Fiche%20Saosnoise%202007.pdf (http://www.regionalcattlebreeds.eu/country_and_breed_information/france/documents/Fiche%20Saosnoise%202007.pdf)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on December 28, 2013, 02:56:36 PM
Nice find Knabe. Really like how that breed is put together. Udder quality was questionable on a cow with one of the photos. Color pattern would be perfect for the Shorty breeders as well.

Have you had or know of any calves by Prospector? Went back and looked at a picture again and I'm still impressed with his depth.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 28, 2013, 03:31:05 PM
it's obvious ohlde wasn't around yet to put pressure on udder selection.

no calves on prospector, great grandson of vainqueur. mickey3 (timon, sire of etula) is a link to abricot, 4x nat'l champ in paris. to me, etula was long long, tubey, especially twin creek etulason, so the other direction with depth is sort of the idea.


Prospector
http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2458242525&9=5E5F5A5D (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2458242525&9=5E5F5A5D)


abricot
http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A58232F2F&9=5E5F5A59 (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A58232F2F&9=5E5F5A59)

it's also why i got some semen on this guy, even though calves i've seen by him haven't been that great.

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5820272025&9=5E5F595F (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5820272025&9=5E5F595F)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on December 28, 2013, 03:49:59 PM
Doc-Sun. Very impressive Fullblood bull selling in the Bright Lights sale at Denver. I like his pedigree and profiles great in the picture. Progressive Shorthorn people might want to take a look here.

Embryos also look nice with some interesting genetics. The Prospector bull that Barkhurst sampled, is one I hunted down while looking at pedigrees. According to pedigree, he  goes back to a bull named Vainqueur which may be the same bull Browarny photographed in France. Harlan Ritchie thought he was the best bull he ever saw of any breed.
Thanks telos my footnote on the prospector embryos got butchered into hyrogliphics in the catalog i also think Yukon would work on shorthorn cows to get good correct 7/8 females to come back on with a good traditional bull as well as on the clubby black cows in the breed the darco bull was sent to the Connors bull test early this month
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on December 28, 2013, 05:55:48 PM
I don't think footnotes are that important. You will still have to do your own marketing by educating folks with the genetics you have to offer. You will do well. Just bring as much visual info as you can. People relate better with pictures. And also a pedigree print-out will be helpful. Those embryos will draw a lot of interest if you can educate potential buyers.

You know I still think that Darco calf is valuble genetics. He should do well on test. Can't wait for an updated pic.

Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on December 30, 2013, 07:37:50 PM
Doc-Sun. Very impressive Fullblood bull selling in the Bright Lights sale at Denver. I like his pedigree and profiles great in the picture. Progressive Shorthorn people might want to take a look here.

Embryos also look nice with some interesting genetics. The Prospector bull that Barkhurst sampled, is one I hunted down while looking at pedigrees. According to pedigree, he  goes back to a bull named Vainqueur which may be the same bull Browarny photographed in France. Harlan Ritchie thought he was the best bull he ever saw of any breed.
Thanks telos my footnote on the prospector embryos got butchered into hyrogliphics in the catalog i also think Yukon would work on shorthorn cows to get good correct 7/8 females to come back on with a good traditional bull as well as on the clubby black cows in the breed the darco bull was sent to the Connors bull test early this month
Is Yukon going to be at Denver this year? Might be heading down there and would like to see him in person.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 30, 2013, 10:16:17 PM
Finally found this. Oy.

http://www.inst-elevage.asso.fr/spip.php?rubrique1615&ie_lang=en&ie_vue=ecranC&ie_numero=FR4970122669&ie_race=Rouge%20des%20Pr%E9s (http://www.inst-elevage.asso.fr/spip.php?rubrique1615&ie_lang=en&ie_vue=ecranC&ie_numero=FR4970122669&ie_race=Rouge%20des%20Pr%E9s)

http://www.inst-elevage.asso.fr/spip.php?rubrique1615&ie_lang=en&ie_vue=ecranC&ie_numero=FR7931180195&ie_race=Rouge%20des%20Pr%E9s (http://www.inst-elevage.asso.fr/spip.php?rubrique1615&ie_lang=en&ie_vue=ecranC&ie_numero=FR7931180195&ie_race=Rouge%20des%20Pr%E9s)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 30, 2013, 10:45:38 PM
I dont inow if this means that these are the only AI sires ever in france.

http://www.inst-elevage.asso.fr/spip.php?rubrique1615&ie_lang=en&ie_vue=ecranF&ie_race=Rouge+des+Pr%E9s (http://www.inst-elevage.asso.fr/spip.php?rubrique1615&ie_lang=en&ie_vue=ecranF&ie_race=Rouge+des+Pr%E9s)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 30, 2013, 11:53:10 PM
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:307:0011:0017:EN:PDF (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:307:0011:0017:EN:PDF)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 31, 2013, 12:16:22 AM
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dherd%2Bbook%2Brouge%2Bdes%2Bpr%25C3%25A9s%26start%3D20%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26hl%3Den%26noj%3D1%26biw%3D769%26bih%3D505&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=fr&u=http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do%3Bjsessionid%3D6FA89B1603EC1D12B5A186CC21BB0817.tpdjo08v_1%3FcidTexte%3DJORFTEXT000024028142%26dateTexte%3D%26oldAction%3DrechJO%26categorieLien%3Did&usg=ALkJrhgV3_IFP5WnS1WwJHdUfff3yV6Avg (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dherd%2Bbook%2Brouge%2Bdes%2Bpr%25C3%25A9s%26start%3D20%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26hl%3Den%26noj%3D1%26biw%3D769%26bih%3D505&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=fr&u=http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do%3Bjsessionid%3D6FA89B1603EC1D12B5A186CC21BB0817.tpdjo08v_1%3FcidTexte%3DJORFTEXT000024028142%26dateTexte%3D%26oldAction%3DrechJO%26categorieLien%3Did&usg=ALkJrhgV3_IFP5WnS1WwJHdUfff3yV6Avg)

It is surprising that purebreds "Red Meadow "lose weight in summer and winter periods (diet consisting primarily of coarse grass or hay with little or no supplementation) and show normal annual growth. It seems that this weight loss at certain times is necessary for their skeletal and muscular development. Thus, in the heart of the production area of the PDO 'Maine-Anjou ", characterized by periods of early and significant water deficit prairie animals breed" Red Meadow "show significant skeletal and muscle development; which is not the case at the periphery of the zone (higher rainfall, rich and regular fodder) with lighter animals and smaller riders.
There is even an "animal model" clean production area "Maine-Anjou" leading breeders of other species such as sheep, pigs and horses to look docile animals and a great template. This attitude is indicative of a strong link between the characteristics of a type of animal, in this case the "Red Meadow", and its habitat;
- expertise that enables breeders an intimate link between space and herd
management grassland demonstrates a true pastoral attitude. Knowledge of the abilities of different grasslands occur in time and the creation of grassland resources practices, enables the farmer to consider environmental constraints as elements that animals "Red Meadow" will be able to develop because of their ability to withstand power without negative impact on their future performance smoothly.
know-how of the breeder "Maine-Anjou" allows the best use of the grassland region. Cattle for meat production "Maine-Anjou" have always tried to minimize the use of inputs in their farms. It is in the tradition of the farming system to be autonomous and economically. This attitude has its historical roots: the tenant was responsible for breeding without high financial resources. He does not want to have to incur significant costs and looking for an animal that can fully take advantage of its environment. Cattle must eat grass as much as possible in the form of pasture, except in the form of harvested forage. Consequently, the farmer must have a detailed knowledge of the environment and an important technicality concerning grazing patterns.
grazing cattle during the dry season is rational: the animals eat standing stock from the aftermath of mowing and grazing incomplete spring on plots of long-term leys or natural grasslands. Wet meadows low funds, when they exist on the farm, are primarily affected food in summer. This demonstrates the ability of farmers to create summer forage resources on the one hand by the alternation of grazing and mowing in the spring, on the other hand by the diversity of the types of grasslands used.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 31, 2013, 09:25:28 PM
old bull.  amazing it was deviated from so quickly in the 70's for some reason.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on January 01, 2014, 11:24:18 AM
after translating some from another book, it seems the french were not too keen on letting the bull pictured have his offspring leave france.

quite a few imports have pedigrees that disappear, so it's not clear how many came over.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on January 02, 2014, 11:39:57 PM
This link has a lot of french registration numbers

http://idele.fr/?eID=cmis_download&oID=workspace://SpacesStore/539904f1-71a6-485a-9998-2a672c1631ec (http://idele.fr/?eID=cmis_download&oID=workspace://SpacesStore/539904f1-71a6-485a-9998-2a672c1631ec)

It appears these are multiple breeds and is not comprehensive for any breed either.

For instance, the maines are listed in a link on previos page
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 03, 2014, 07:16:04 PM
old bull.  amazing it was deviated from so quickly in the 70's for some reason./// Those cattle had to be something to calve-but that bull has more rib depth etc than several of the tubes that came over put toghether O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on January 03, 2014, 07:58:04 PM
His name is hardy. There is only one listed direct progeny.

He is in Etula. More to the point, he is in timon.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on January 04, 2014, 08:27:50 PM

from the book La Race, Maine-anjou by Jacques Abafour, 1929.  the copy i got for christmas was signed.  kinda neat.  probably about 10-12 photographs.

an excerpt that doc-sun will like.

"curious to see how the subjects Maine-Anjou gradually deviate from the original Durham, in bulls as cows are observed increasingly plump rump, reminiscent of Charolais or Limousin"

they are probably not talking about the double muscling gene at this point.

"A bull soft yellowish skin and around openings natural , ears filled with abundant wax forward to his female offspring ownership give buttery milk any bull from a good dairy is somehow the custodian of qualities that will update his offspring . "
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on January 14, 2014, 11:29:14 AM
frostback forwarded me a link to browarny's facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/WaltBrowarnyLegacy (https://www.facebook.com/WaltBrowarnyLegacy)

they are archiving all of his old photos from slides/film to maximum digital resolution. 

all of their photo's are available for a nominal fee for personal use.  if used for advertising, a larger fee is involved.

here's three old fullbloods.  the one of vainqueur is a second picture from the one they used to post as his near leg/foot is placed awkwardly.

i love the lighting and shadows on the danigo and capone pictures.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on January 16, 2014, 10:38:21 AM
frostback forwarded me a link to browarny's facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/WaltBrowarnyLegacy (https://www.facebook.com/WaltBrowarnyLegacy)

they are archiving all of his old photos from slides/film to maximum digital resolution. 

all of their photo's are available for a nominal fee for personal use.  if used for advertising, a larger fee is involved.

here's three old fullbloods.  the one of vainqueur is a second picture from the one they used to post as his near leg/foot is placed awkwardly.

i love the lighting and shadows on the danigo and capone pictures.
Danigo looks just like I remember him at Houston after this picture was made at western breeders but imagine him thicker and more mature. Sure am glad I still have dads semen from when we owned him.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: xxcc on January 20, 2014, 05:03:22 PM
Turtle.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on January 21, 2014, 12:04:10 AM
Turtle.
Any pics of the 4 or 5 calves she has had?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on January 26, 2014, 07:59:11 AM
Really like Manitou's Ivryleague bull. Has anyone used him or bought semen.

Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on January 26, 2014, 10:51:12 AM
Really like Manitou's Ivryleague bull. Has anyone used him or bought semen.
Gary really likes the calves he has had by him. I don't think he has collected him but will ask.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on January 26, 2014, 10:57:25 AM
your partner should be able to tell you what two of them looked like (her second and third calves). one by Tundra, one by a Siberia son.

first calf just went commercial, by a black heifer bull. the Covino x Caqui one was junk, just like his sire, coarse and rugged...oh, yeah, that makes three he should be able to prove up on seeing...sold as commercial.

this years was out of an Angus bull thanks to some "cowboys".
She is a coca cola cow and I have never seen calves out of a Fullblood one. I am trying to determine if I want to put in the embryos I have by coke. I am concerned how course they will be if I got a heifer.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: xxcc on January 26, 2014, 10:40:52 PM
with Coca Cola being a maternal bull, he tends to throw to the cow.  they tend to be smooth, potential to be double muscled on bulls like Capone and Dabla...I would lean to matings with "pretty" animal bloodlines line Cunia, Epinal, Dada maybe even Danigo and Iabon...bulls like Caqui, Dalton, Covino, Buret...you might not get what you wanted.  would like cross well with something Kuda or going back to the Cunia x 206A mating.

be cautious on the udders too. this cows bag is ok...mostly because of her dam...I have seen some that are...eh.  put them in, I'd be interested to see how they turn out.  another guy to talk to is Dave Stout from South Dakota...he has some Coca Cola animals.  good luck. <beer>
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on January 27, 2014, 03:39:42 PM
with Coca Cola being a maternal bull, he tends to throw to the cow.  they tend to be smooth, potential to be double muscled on bulls like Capone and Dabla...I would lean to matings with "pretty" animal bloodlines line Cunia, Epinal, Dada maybe even Danigo and Iabon...bulls like Caqui, Dalton, Covino, Buret...you might not get what you wanted.  would like cross well with something Kuda or going back to the Cunia x 206A mating.

be cautious on the udders too. this cows bag is ok...mostly because of her dam...I have seen some that are...eh.  put them in, I'd be interested to see how they turn out.  another guy to talk to is Dave Stout from South Dakota...he has some Coca Cola animals.  good luck. <beer>
I visited with Dave last week in Denver
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on February 03, 2014, 11:03:15 PM
your partner should be able to tell you what two of them looked like (her second and third calves). one by Tundra, one by a Siberia son.

first calf just went commercial, by a black heifer bull. the Covino x Caqui one was junk, just like his sire, coarse and rugged...oh, yeah, that makes three he should be able to prove up on seeing...sold as commercial.

this years was out of an Angus bull thanks to some "cowboys".
She is a coca cola cow and I have never seen calves out of a Fullblood one. I am trying to determine if I want to put in the embryos I have by coke. I am concerned how course they will be if I got a heifer.
I threw some coca cola semen in a couple cows just to experiment and the calves should be coming any day now.  I'll post some pictures for you when the time comes if you're interested
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: CWCCattle on March 26, 2014, 10:18:00 AM
Wow I didn't realize how long I've been away from here.  Anyways its time for our Foundations Fullblood Maine Anjou Sale again and that means more pictures of fullblood bulls and heifers for you to look through.  www.foundationssale.com (http://www.foundationssale.com)  You can let me know what you think.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on April 05, 2014, 01:35:40 PM
http://www.cattleinmotion.com/lots/gallery/140410Connors (http://www.cattleinmotion.com/lots/gallery/140410Connors)

lot 364 is a darco sired bull by doc-sun

http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=383729&searchreg=437720 (http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=383729&searchreg=437720)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on April 05, 2014, 02:24:27 PM
This is why I thought Darco should have been exploited more. Think this guy could be a part of a good thing. Really like his over all dimension and how he moves so freely. He really absorbs the ground as he travels. I like him 100 times more then those Cunia's and I would bet the bank that he has fewer genetic issues. Thanks Knabe and congrats Doc-Sun for breeding such an interesting Fullblood.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on April 05, 2014, 02:42:43 PM
Really like his over all dimension and how he moves so freely.
This guy really absorbs the ground as he travels.


bingo. i love the flex in his hock and how free it moves, even with the bone he has.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Telos on April 05, 2014, 03:00:44 PM
Really like his over all dimension and how he moves so freely.
This guy really absorbs the ground as he travels.


bingo. i love the flex in his hock and how free it moves, even with the bone he has.

This was my only concern when I saw his picture as a calf but the the video has taken all that doubt away. I really think he is an important bull.

Another thing that I'm impressed with is how he resembles his sire.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on April 07, 2014, 06:13:04 PM
We have decided to sell 1/2 interest in darc storm in the Connors bull test sale this week
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on April 07, 2014, 06:21:43 PM
FYI darco is the easiest calving highest milk most maternal Fullblood Maine bull in the breed. We had the semen knew this and created him from the only egg in the flush. He was born on the day the tornado hit my house and therefore we didn't make it to ft worth with Yukon and slash. I think he is a bull of destiny.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on April 09, 2014, 07:20:39 PM
see cattle in motion connors sale 4-10-14
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: ZNT on April 09, 2014, 07:53:27 PM
For all you Fullblood enthusiasts, there will be a couple of Fullblood semen lots in the Bluebonnets & Buckles Sale right here on SteerPlanet on April 26th.  These lots, just as all the semen lots in the sale, are donation lots with the proceeds going to the Texas Maine Anjou Association to support their scholarships and their contributions to Jr. Nationals and the Texas Majors.

5 Units of Stenbergs Key MA 26K  http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=340325 (http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=340325)

2 Units of DSMA Quigley  http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=296331 (http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=296331)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on April 10, 2014, 03:11:24 PM
For all you Fullblood enthusiasts, there will be a couple of Fullblood semen lots in the Bluebonnets & Buckles Sale right here on SteerPlanet on April 26th.  These lots, just as all the semen lots in the sale, are donation lots with the proceeds going to the Texas Maine Anjou Association to support their scholarships and their contributions to Jr. Nationals and the Texas Majors.

5 Units of Stenbergs Key MA 26K  [url]http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=340325[/url] ([url]http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=340325[/url])

2 Units of DSMA Quigley  [url]http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=296331[/url] ([url]http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=296331[/url])

ZNT: I will donate 10 straws of Yukon.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on May 19, 2014, 12:52:10 PM
dabla's pride
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on July 28, 2014, 12:14:31 PM
Knabe and I are working on this mating this fall:
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on January 09, 2019, 12:29:49 PM

Manitou's esquire
Birth Date:15/05/1983

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B242425262D&9=5C5E5D5E (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B242425262D&9=5C5E5D5E)

full sib to

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2621272E2D&9=5C5E5D5D (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2621272E2D&9=5C5E5D5D)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 13, 2019, 01:02:29 PM
Knabe and I are working on this mating this fall:  What resulted on this mating? O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on January 13, 2019, 01:08:41 PM
Knabe and I are working on this mating this fall:  What resulted on this mating? O0


didn't get too it. i flushed her a few more times but didn't get to it :(  i stored tissue on her as she is polled (hetero) and goes to a bull i am interested in 13 times with almost all the combinations.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on January 20, 2019, 07:49:16 PM
Flush her to this fullblood.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on January 21, 2019, 11:56:32 AM
i think you have posted him before.


cow is dead :(
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on January 21, 2019, 08:34:32 PM
buret
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on January 26, 2019, 10:02:49 AM
With beefy fullbloods like the one I pictured available, what’s the appeal with these big hard ultra tubular bodied types?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on January 26, 2019, 10:43:56 AM
With beefy fullbloods like the one I pictured available, what’s the appeal with these big hard ultra tubular bodied types?


reg # of your post
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on January 26, 2019, 10:52:37 AM
you think buret is tubey?


here's a prominent bull in a lot of pedigrees.


twin creek etulason, otherwise known as streamliner


i think of him as tubey.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on February 02, 2019, 07:23:10 PM
cactus VI.  the semen inventory listing i have says cactus V122. i have 20 units.

not a pleasing looking bull. probably one of the weirdest i've ever seen.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 02, 2019, 07:35:12 PM
Heres a nice smooth made calving ease type look at that beefy rear area masculine head and spring of rib-finally we may have found one to stouten up a bunch of dairy looking Shorthorns -that maine x dual deal works-just invent epds and call em major leroys O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on February 02, 2019, 07:50:34 PM
not sure what the french are thinking.


this type of bull is the "heat wave" of france.


the non-show people don't have these


total disgrace
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 02, 2019, 07:54:47 PM
I would imagine that the smaller deeper ribbed more agile females:(Petite femmes) that I see cruising pictures from over there are not in favor-theyd sure work here O0
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 02, 2019, 07:59:22 PM
anyone got any shorthorn female line suggestions to try these bulls on?

i sure would like to see what a couple of JIT's cows would do, say sparkle or leah /// I think there are a number of cattle in Iowa that I could start plastering the thread with pictures of that would really work-So would JITs or some of the longer fronted Canadian cows-Xbar might be a source for objective views on Canadian cattle too-anything is possible O0
Title: Re: BEST FT WORTH AWOL FULLBLOOD MAINE BULLS
Post by: Duncraggan on February 03, 2019, 05:58:55 AM
anyone got any shorthorn female line suggestions to try these bulls on?

i sure would like to see what a couple of JIT's cows would do, say sparkle or leah /// I think there are a number of cattle in Iowa that I could start plastering the thread with pictures of that would really work-So would JITs or some of the longer fronted Canadian cows-Xbar might be a source for objective views on Canadian cattle too-anything is possible O0
(lol)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: -XBAR- on February 03, 2019, 12:09:32 PM
Ha.  That’s what I’m afraid of. It would take using the two thousand pound sparkle cow whose shoulder sits a foot outside her forerib to calve out many of these type bulls.   But then you’d have to find a Holstein to raise the offspring as the butch types tend not to milk, proportionate to their size.  Thank god for silage and drylotting.  Those ‘malpresentations’ (I literally spit my coffee out every time he says that, as if that’s any defense) aren’t so tough to deal with when the whole herd in piled up on the backyard.  Quite different scenario when they’re spread out through a hundred acres of timber bottoms.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Gargan on February 03, 2019, 04:20:06 PM
Just saw this fullblood hfr won that breed at fwss. Has a real soft , easy keeping look to her. Nice set to her legs.  One of the best fullbloods I've seen in pictures.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on February 03, 2019, 05:23:52 PM

champion pedigree
https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=488946 (https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=488946)

reserve pedigree

https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=483962 (https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=483962)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Gargan on February 03, 2019, 05:56:09 PM

champion pedigree
https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=488946 (https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=488946)

reserve pedigree

https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=483962 (https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=483962)

0 cunia in either one.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on February 03, 2019, 06:10:00 PM

champion pedigree
https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=488946 (https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=488946)

reserve pedigree

https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=483962 (https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=483962)

0 cunia in either one.




uh, you need to click deeper in the pedigree.  plenty of cunia
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 03, 2019, 09:23:08 PM
Seem to be bred very similar-I never see this breeder advertise the full bloods etc like they used to with Warbonnet (think that was them)-But they seem to keep producing really good full bloods: always soundest by a mile when I saw them at Illinois or Denver O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on February 26, 2019, 11:55:48 AM
MMA 34A. FULLBLOOD MAINES CAN BE MODERATE, MOSTLY SOLID RED AND MILKERS. I AM BREEDING BACK TO THIS COW'S SIRE TO TRY TO GET THEM ALL LIKE HER.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on February 10, 2021, 02:01:45 PM
MMA 34A. FULLBLOOD MAINES CAN BE MODERATE, MOSTLY SOLID RED AND MILKERS. I AM BREEDING BACK TO THIS COW'S SIRE TO TRY TO GET THEM ALL LIKE HER.
RESULTS OF BREEDING BACK TO HER SIRE IN OUR HERD REFERENCE VOICE AD
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Duncraggan on February 14, 2021, 01:35:02 PM
What a tremendous group of bulls. The length and depth on all of them is way above the average. Great hindquarter shape for the most too.
Impressive!
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on February 14, 2021, 05:52:10 PM
Although its been since 1998 that I had any calves out of Vistas Sentra 14 U ( i think) called Flash by Harold Hoskins I always liked looking at the mcullough full bloods in West Va and the ones from Texas picture wise FLASH remains the prettiest fronted straight line full blood ive ever seen HE WAS VERY BIG AND LEGGY BUT TALK ABOUT THICK That bunch in the brochure are  the deepest ribbed and probably most massive butted and topped Ive seen in my travels I dont see how tho-you could breed them to anything but a pretty big cow-And Shorthorns have so many generations of hard calving Shorthorns behind them Id be a little afraid of them-Not on the maine end on THE SHORTHORN END Recently I flushed a 0 bw Shorthorn cow who never produced a big calf over 12 years to Hardings Capital Gains and produced two over 125 pound trainwrecks DAM IF THOSE BULLS PICTURED AINT GREAT LOOKING THO-BEST MADE MOST BALANCED FULL BLOODS IVE EVER SEEN I KNOW IT DOESNT COUNT FOR MUCH THO  JMO O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on February 18, 2021, 02:00:44 PM
THANKS FOR THE GOOD COMMENTS. I HAD 6 BULL CALVES SEPT/OCT 2019 AND THESE ARE 5 OF THEM. TRIED TO GET THE 3 OF THEM TO OKC PEN SHOW BUT FAILED. I KEPT 3 OF THE 4 HEIFERS BORN WITH THEM WHO ARE COMPARABLE IN TERMS OF QUALITY. ALSO KEPT 7 HEIFERS BORN A MONTH OR 2 LATER. THERE ARE 9 BULLS AND 5 HEIFERS IN THE FALL 2020 GROUP. COULD EVEN GET A BETTER DENVER/OKC? PEN OF BULLS FROM THEM TOO. I'LL HAVE TO START WORKING ON IT EARLIER THIS TIME.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on February 19, 2021, 09:14:48 PM
I think a tribute to mr handy would be cool.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 13, 2021, 09:52:16 PM
shaver lineup

hadn't seen these younger pics before
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Duncraggan on March 14, 2021, 11:18:37 AM
THANKS FOR THE GOOD COMMENTS. I HAD 6 BULL CALVES SEPT/OCT 2019 AND THESE ARE 5 OF THEM. TRIED TO GET THE 3 OF THEM TO OKC PEN SHOW BUT FAILED. I KEPT 3 OF THE 4 HEIFERS BORN WITH THEM WHO ARE COMPARABLE IN TERMS OF QUALITY. ALSO KEPT 7 HEIFERS BORN A MONTH OR 2 LATER. THERE ARE 9 BULLS AND 5 HEIFERS IN THE FALL 2020 GROUP. COULD EVEN GET A BETTER DENVER/OKC? PEN OF BULLS FROM THEM TOO. I'LL HAVE TO START WORKING ON IT EARLIER THIS TIME.
There is no doubt you would make an impression!
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 20, 2021, 11:35:30 AM
ad
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 20, 2021, 11:36:13 AM
Ad
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 20, 2021, 11:36:57 AM
ad
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 20, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
original ad from shaver.  these were supposedly the first three bulls imported.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 20, 2021, 11:42:35 AM
cactus, one of the weirdest bulls of any breed i've seen a pic of.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 26, 2021, 11:54:53 PM
duke of heaven
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 27, 2021, 12:02:00 AM
dada, damier, darco
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 27, 2021, 12:03:16 AM
epinal, danigo, touchdown
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on March 27, 2021, 12:03:45 AM
caqui
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on April 03, 2021, 04:12:01 PM
bysantin
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on April 03, 2021, 04:12:55 PM
eden, dalton
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on May 09, 2021, 02:36:03 PM
registered as shorthorn
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on May 10, 2021, 11:17:34 AM
registered as shorthorn
have 1 pregnancy from cow 1 and 2 embryos in recips from cow 2 from this bull
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Medium Rare on May 10, 2021, 12:45:18 PM
registered as shorthorn
have 1 pregnancy from cow 1 and 2 embryos in recips from cow 2 from this bull

Are either of the donors in the ASA as 3/4?
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on May 10, 2021, 01:12:34 PM
the top one is.


https://shorthorn.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=AR58971 (https://shorthorn.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=AR58971)


not sure about the other.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Duncraggan on May 14, 2021, 03:11:10 PM
registered as shorthorn
What a block of a bull!
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on May 14, 2021, 06:27:06 PM
Barkhurst bought him and his brother from Canada.

They were from a flush.

The brother was not preferred or collected.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on May 15, 2021, 10:22:21 AM
here's the flush animals in 1982. closest link to vainqueur who never came over.


http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2435&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5821202E2E&8=56&10=373733353F37&11=20 (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2435&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5821202E2E&8=56&10=373733353F37&11=20)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Gargan on May 18, 2021, 06:08:55 AM
Some maine bull semen for sale
https://www.sirebuyer.com/2021/05/16/maine-anjou-semen-for-sale-package-agrop10-243/ (https://www.sirebuyer.com/2021/05/16/maine-anjou-semen-for-sale-package-agrop10-243/)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on May 18, 2021, 07:46:41 PM
i haven't used epinal or cunia in any flushes yet.


i may, but haven't.


they are essentially the breed right now.  both are known to be most effective at removing marbling, especially cunia.


cunia has novino in him (taton's sire i think) supposedly  so epinal and cunia are semi closely related.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on August 19, 2021, 11:28:47 AM
REAL WORLD MAINE ANJOU CATTLE IN FRANCE IN 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVgXyYhKy38 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVgXyYhKy38)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: Duncraggan on August 19, 2021, 01:49:59 PM
JMO, but the French should probably be approaching you for some real genetics!
I battled to find any standout cattle in the video, in fact, lots were simply undesirable, especially udders.
What a disappointment!
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on August 20, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
JMO, but the French should probably be approaching you for some real genetics!
I battled to find any standout cattle in the video, in fact, lots were simply undesirable, especially udders.
What a disappointment!
I appreciate the complement but it is doubtful that will ever happen. Actually most if not all of the north American fullblood breeders have better genetics. My intention of the post was to show that there are cattle in the pastures in France that are closer to cattle here and are not the big course almost double muscled show cattle if you look at the show videos on the French website. I agree you have to look past the bad udders, horns and white colors. Some of the cows on the video I like especially at .34, .50, .58, 1.33, 1.41, 2.14, 3.06 group and calves at 1.25, 2.58, and 4.33. Not all are perfect but basically made right.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on August 21, 2021, 09:58:34 AM
I agree believe it or not I posted that video a few years ago on here but cant remember when I still have it I also saw some smaller really nice made females in farm pictures over there Wish I could find them-very complete deeper bodied very moderate pretty fronted and level front to rear They probably were just commercial females but were spot on for me   O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on August 24, 2021, 10:10:49 AM
I agree believe it or not I posted that video a few years ago on here but cant remember when I still have it I also saw some smaller really nice made females in farm pictures over there Wish I could find them-very complete deeper bodied very moderate pretty fronted and level front to rear They probably were just commercial females but were spot on for me   O0
LIKE THIS
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on August 24, 2021, 05:50:42 PM
He sure doesnt look like alot of the ones Ive seen in Pics over there-He over here somewhere? O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on August 25, 2021, 04:32:46 PM
He’s a blend of semi recent French genetics bred to a similar bred cow on top and bottom.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 01, 2021, 09:19:47 PM
anyone know who these bulls are?  found them on an old french "breed" slide show.


1st and 2nd one are same bull, just flipped.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 14, 2021, 01:57:28 PM
old bull saumon 4
picture is from 1967 in paris.
i forgot to save link for picture, but it was in a multi breed link of old breeds

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A25252022&9=5F525B5F (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A25252022&9=5F525B5F)

he's in a bull called de gaulle, who was imported to US.

https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=65 (https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=65)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 15, 2021, 02:26:13 PM
this one is unic XIV


sire of Cunic, a foundation fullblood in N. america


https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&search_value=&animal_registration=100032&member_id= (https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&search_value=&animal_registration=100032&member_id=)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: xxcc on November 18, 2021, 11:17:37 PM
Unic xiv
(Sometimes pictures get flipped in orientation. Maybe that happened here.)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 19, 2021, 09:20:26 AM
Actually they are prob different bulls.

One has white front legs, the other is solid and the scrotal appears different.

Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 23, 2021, 03:56:41 PM
not sure this version posted before.


mvh revival


https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=1656 (https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=1656)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on November 23, 2021, 06:34:04 PM
Too bad about the shoulder-Other than that compared to some of the bad legged buffalos Ive seen in pictures lately from  over there hes a real good looking bull O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on November 30, 2021, 11:29:05 AM
Too bad about the shoulder-Other than that compared to some of the bad legged buffalos Ive seen in pictures lately from  over there hes a real good looking bull O0
Wouldn't have the butt he has without a little shoulder. Your a Shorthorn guy and should have seen a bunch on noassatol thru the years. ;) (lol)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: doc-sun on November 30, 2021, 11:45:39 AM
Too bad about the shoulder-Other than that compared to some of the bad legged buffalos Ive seen in pictures lately from  over there hes a real good looking bull O0
Good butts. Less shoulder. Fullblood Maine. 3/4 Shorthorn ELIGIBLE.

MMA 971G AMAA 510080; ASA AR59106 X AR59105
MMA 902G AMAA 510074; ASA AR59106 X (AR59110 X AR59103)
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on November 30, 2021, 01:40:34 PM
Too bad about the shoulder


what is wrong with the shoulder. that there is muscling there from a secondary sexual characteristic (dimorphism)? or the angle or something else.
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on November 30, 2021, 08:37:59 PM
Too bad about the shoulder-Other than that compared to some of the bad legged buffalos Ive seen in pictures lately from  over there hes a real good looking bull O0
Good butts. Less shoulder. Fullblood Maine. 3/4 Shorthorn ELIGIBLE.

MMA 971G AMAA 510080; ASA AR59106 X AR59105
MMA 902G AMAA 510074; ASA AR59106 X (AR59110 X AR59103)
    YOU GOT THAT RIGHT IF I CAN EVER GET OUT THAT WAY-I WANNA COME SEE YOUR CATTLE O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: mark tenenbaum on November 30, 2021, 08:49:29 PM
Too bad about the shoulder


what is wrong with the shoulder. that there is muscling there from a secondary sexual characteristic (dimorphism)? or the angle or something else. Width and angle from what I can see in the picture Ive used fullbloods with mixed results on cows that I had for years Those cows RIGHT OR WRONG YATTA YATTA YATTA were 1.2 BW EPDS and below and went back to Byland And lAUER BREEDING Hardings Capital Gains a Cunia son produced 135 pound strucrtural wrecks on a 0 BW that went back to Byland Marjorie and NEVER in her 14 years procuced a calf over 80 pounds  MR FLASH Vistas Sentra Was real big on the BWS but they were shaped right and did they ever have performance IM not going to do an elongated thesis -and could care less if my simple reasons do not satisfy 250 indecies or not-That massive bull in terms of breeding to shorthorns and clubby x breds like we have  is a little much for me front end wise I think its quite clear I am an entirely different person with my own set of rules-That applies to about anyone with cattle  -My choice-my cattle  O0
Title: Re: FULLBLOOD MAINE WEEKLY UPDATE
Post by: knabe on December 01, 2021, 08:00:36 PM
revival sire. more buffalo type