Full Blood Maine Weekly Update

CWCCattle · Mar 25, 2013

doc-sun said:
fullblood pair

Nice well rounded calf. Good length and depth while still being feminine.

knabe · Mar 25, 2013

anything with 7G cow in the pedigree could have the bulk of the original bovigen markers

most fullbloods don't have them other than T1 which the breed seems homozygous for.

they also as a breed (fullbloods) have most of the original feed efficiency markers.

knabe · Mar 25, 2013

CWCCattle said:
Lot 19 is a decent bull he's just has too small of a frame for me but I've heard that what they are looking for in the USA.

you might define small as you'all in canada like them a little bigger.

CWCCattle · Mar 25, 2013

knabe said:
CWCCattle said:

Lot 19 is a decent bull he's just has too small of a frame for me but I've heard that what they are looking for in the USA.

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you might define small as you'all in canada like them a little bigger.

About 4 inches shorter and 100 lbs lighter

Clark Club Calves · Mar 26, 2013

Here is a update on our fullblood bull from these earlier posts.
http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/non-registerable-fullblood-maine-anjou-bull-calf/msg336536/#msg336536
and
http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/updated-pics-of-fullblood-maine-bull/msg350979/#msg350979

FB-Maines94 · Mar 26, 2013

CWCCattle said:
knabe said:

CWCCattle said:

Lot 19 is a decent bull he's just has too small of a frame for me but I've heard that what they are looking for in the USA.

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you might define small as you'all in canada like them a little bigger.

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About 4 inches shorter and 100 lbs lighter

I've heard that the folks up in Canada feed their cattle a lot of grain. I know that with all the snow, it's necessary to feed, but it seems to me like a more moderate framed cow would eat less feed. Why do ya'll like those bigger cattle?

knabe · Mar 26, 2013

If the cattle are more efficient with respect to lbs feed to lbs gain the advantage is less. Also on their grid they are probably more incentivized on wt instead of the lowest allowable % angus that qualifies for groupthink.

There probably isn't as much a market for 10" ribeye's with less city folk exposed to Michael Bloomberg.

Maybe there's an advantage with size to survive the latitude.

Or maybe they just like them that way.

knabe · Mar 30, 2013

pair. polled heifer calf.

FB-Maines94 · Mar 30, 2013

knabe said:
pair. polled heifer calf.

How old is the heifer?

knabe · Mar 30, 2013

Week maybe.

FB-Maines94 · Apr 1, 2013

How about pedigrees? I noticed that this is a different cow.

mark tenenbaum · Apr 1, 2013

knabe said:
Week maybe. ; Relly nice pair-sos the doner in Canada-your cattle seem to be deeper bodied and have more depth of rib than alot of the fulblood pictures I see=Does Hardings Capital Gains (the calving ease and probably smaller fullblood etc) have those kind of guts and rib-thinking of flushing a 12 tear old shorthorn-whos deep and moderate-completely conventional breeding-to him. O0

Telos · Apr 1, 2013

Mark. I don't know what you're asking but Hardings Capitol Gains was a whale of a bull.

mark tenenbaum · Apr 1, 2013

Telos said:
Mark. I don't know what you're asking but Hardings Capitol Gains was a whale of a bull.

/// Im asking if he was a deep bodied bull-or long and tubular like some of the fullbloods were. I used Vistas Sentra-who was calf champion at Denver in 1987-or 1986 I believe-and he putt a heck of a butt-heck of a BW-and in some cases a mile of leg under them,I like the looks of Knabes cows pictured-and wanted to know if Cap Gains sired anything at all like that:I cant post a picture of the cow in this reply-but youd see shes real deep-and moderate O0

Telos · Apr 1, 2013

Harding's capital Gains was a Cunia son out the similar breeding as Polleroid. He was more of a red and white Sooner type bull. Just real thick and deep. The Maines' with no guts are usually Novino derivatives. The majority of Maines imported were of Novino descent and used more heavily primarily for their calving ease. there were plenty of deep made Maine imported but did not get much use because of heavy calving problems. Cunia was the magic bullet in the Maine deal. His calves came smaller but were also thick and did not have too much grow in relation to other Maine genetics. He was truly a downsizer and could make a dairy cow thick in one generation.

mark tenenbaum · Apr 2, 2013

Telos said:
Harding's capital Gains was a Cunia son out the similar breeding as Polleroid. He was more of a red and white Sooner type bull. Just real thick and deep. The Maines' with no guts are usually Novino derivatives. The majority of Maines imported were of Novino descent and used more heavily primarily for their calving ease. there were plenty of deep made Maine imported but did not get much use because of heavy calving problems. Cunia was the magic bullet in the Maine deal. His calves came smaller but were also thick and did not have too much grow in relation to other Maine genetics. He was truly a downsizer and could make a dairy cow thick in one generation./// Ive seen Cunia bring down some huge dual (2000 plus) Shorthorns-If Capital gains will put the punch in one-without downsizing any furthet on this cow-id bite : Mark Mueller said General Jackson (or Gen Lee-cant remember) but Ithink hed be a much higher bW deal-this cow is almost 0 bw epd-and lives up to it-so I can afford some biggness . O0

doc-sun · Apr 2, 2013

mark tenenbaum said:
Telos said:

Harding's capital Gains was a Cunia son out the similar breeding as Polleroid. He was more of a red and white Sooner type bull. Just real thick and deep. The Maines' with no guts are usually Novino derivatives. The majority of Maines imported were of Novino descent and used more heavily primarily for their calving ease. there were plenty of deep made Maine imported but did not get much use because of heavy calving problems. Cunia was the magic bullet in the Maine deal. His calves came smaller but were also thick and did not have too much grow in relation to other Maine genetics. He was truly a downsizer and could make a dairy cow thick in one generation./// Ive seen Cunia bring down some huge dual (2000 plus) Shorthorns-If Capital gains will put the punch in one-without downsizing any furthet on this cow-id bite : Mark Mueller said General Jackson (or Gen Lee-cant remember) but Ithink hed be a much higher bW deal-this cow is almost 0 bw epd-and lives up to it-so I can afford some biggness . O0

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i don't know if i agree with you or not. look at the double novino below and tell me no guts or moderation. 500 lbs less according to some breeders who have used him. we are breeding his son, mma handy, with a 75 lb birthweight pictured below as a calf to all of our fullblood cows and heifers. i will get a current pic of him posted soon. cunia sired thick cattle from the right cows and was used more for calving ease than the novinos especially on the berlins and bysantins. capital gains was good because youlanti might be the best fullblood maine cow ever. we got most of our original halfblood maine cattle from calf contracts with dairies in 1970 and the bull that made them thickest was danigo, but the half dairy heifers all went to hell raising their first calf. you had to be using the old bulls in the late 60's and 70's to know what they produced and there are not many of us still around. general jackson was a later bull who has the reputation of being good although i never saw him. knabe owns all of the semen on him that dr norman's family had. just my opinion.

mark tenenbaum · Apr 2, 2013

I dont really know much about the ins and outs of Maines-just going by what the maine breeders I know say-and my limited experience with Vistas Sentra-and his Grandson Studly-sire of my best female ever-but not much else. That calf in your picture looks real good to me-again-I didnt know he existed-so does the mature bull-but he doesnt look remotely like a calving ease bull in the picture-much too powerfull.At least I wasnt totally lost in my thoughts about Capital Gain-havent heard much bad about him yet O0

oakview · Apr 3, 2013

I would use Capital Gains in a minute if I had semen. I was going to pick up some Capital Gains from the owner a few years ago in Louisville, but we missed connections. I did have a full brother to him several years ago that didn't last long, though. He was one of the shallow, hard doing kind and just didn't cut it. They can't all be gems. I've used Dollar II, Cunia, Etula, Capone, Cygne, and maybe some others over the years along with the polled purebred Data Bank. They all worked well on my Shorthorn cows, especially the Etula son that I kept. I felt I got more genetic kick from the old fullbloods than I did from the newer genetics, although the Data Bank calves were very satisfactory.

RyanChandler · Apr 3, 2013

Of course you got more kick out of the old fullbloods. That's the hybrid vigor of a true outcross.

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