Best Irish Whiskey Son

steerkid21 · Mar 29, 2013

What is everyone's opinion on who the best Irish Whiskey Son is? I know they might all have something they do best, so state your opinion and give reasoning. Everyone likes something different.

Gargan · Mar 29, 2013

I would say the most proven one is paddy O'Malley. I look for maternal perfection to do great things. Also, cervesa females are really looking the part. There's my 2 cents worth.

Carlson Cattle · Mar 29, 2013

Gargan said:
I would say the most proven one is paddy O'Malley. I look for maternal perfection to do great things. Also, cervesa females are really looking the part. There's my 2 cents worth.

Jeferin · Mar 30, 2013

My favorite Irish Whiskey son is the new one Maternal Perfection

Carlson Cattle · Mar 30, 2013

Jeferin said:
My favorite Irish Whiskey son is the new one Maternal Perfection

interesting......

knabe · Mar 30, 2013

Maternal perfection is Pha carrier.

DakotaCow · Mar 30, 2013

knabe said:
Maternal perfection is Pha carrier.

So is paddy. I don't get what everyone's hang up on pha is, they will drive the wheels off a new car for a th dirty bull but won't walk across the street for a pha carrier. Both need to be respected and closely watched.

Carlson Cattle · Mar 30, 2013

DakotaCow said:
knabe said:

Maternal perfection is Pha carrier.

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So is paddy. I don't get what everyone's hang up on pha is, they will drive the wheels off a new car for a th dirty bull but won't walk across the street for a pha carrier. Both need to be respected and closely watched.

Limiman12 · Mar 31, 2013

Curious why with proven sons out there why you like a new unproven one the best.....

knabe · Mar 31, 2013

DakotaCow said:
knabe said:

Maternal perfection is Pha carrier.

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So is paddy. I don't get what everyone's hang up on pha is, they will drive the wheels off a new car for a th dirty bull but won't walk across the street for a pha carrier. Both need to be respected and closely watched.

My hang up he's not perfect if he has Pha and I doubt he's maternally perfect either.

For the record, I plan on using Pha bulls, just not black ones.

No perfect bull that carries Pha Shoukd end up with offspring in a commercial herd.

That's another hang up I have.

CAB · Mar 31, 2013

http://www.sugarcreekcattle.com/ourprogram.html

Above is a link to Chap on SP bull named Afterhours. I know that he is clean pedigree and Brad will have some calves born this spring. Dr. Who x Imprint on the bottom side. Be a bull to ck out IMO.
Lonnie Sievers also has an Irish Whiskey son that he has collected & sold a little juice on, but that's about all I know about him. A couple of bulls that I am watching right now that are 3/4 blood MA are Summit and Shelby both by Hard Drive. Summit I think was out of an Ali x Meyer and Shelby out of a Meyer.
Classic is also a bull that I have been watching for a couple of years. Sired Rebel Soul of late. He's PB & I don't think that I want to inject that much MA. here.

DakotaCow · Mar 31, 2013

Knabe I agree, personally I have A policy of never keeping dirty females. As for the bull maternal perfection I think he looks neat. Would I use him.....we will see in about 2 or 3 years and if I do I highly doubt I would ever keep any daughters out of him. Sure he will probably make some cool daughters but none that I would ever keep around.

CAB · Mar 31, 2013

DakotaCow said:
Knabe I agree, personally I have A policy of never keeping dirty females. As for the bull maternal perfection I think he looks neat. Would I use him.....we will see in about 2 or 3 years and if I do I highly doubt I would ever keep any daughters out of him. Sure he will probably make some cool daughters but none that I would ever keep around.

You could just test the daughters then make a decision on whether or not to keep them.

DakotaCow · Mar 31, 2013

Don't keep anything out of clubby stock. Not the biggest fan of maines either.

knabe · Mar 31, 2013

most discussion on matings seem to be the next mating.

how does everyone think about making cows 3 generations ahead rather than buying what someone has thought 2 or more generations ahead to create?

if you look at irish whiskey, he came from what everyone claims they want to stay away from, i.e. his mother is out of cunia and cunia is all over the place in his pedigree.

same with a few bulls that everyone likes with the older genetics.

perhaps this is exactly why there are so few prepotent bulls.

Telos · Mar 31, 2013

This is somewhat of a loaded question and it really depends on what cow types/genetics you use these Whiskey sons on. There is no question that Irish Whiskey work on good Angus based cattle (those F1 heifers and even the bulls are hard to beat). It's when you start lining him up with more Maine (and other) genetics that they can get a bit over-done. Whiskey x Sooner's for example seem to rarely work, from what I've seen, and can get crow footed and tight structured in a hurry. Hard Whiskey seems to work from a standpoint of physical appearance and maybe Hard Drive himself has enough outcross Maine genetics and therefore helps make this individual work.. He seems to be a correct well put together calf and should work on your HW's and other sound made clubby genetics. The trick is to keep them sound by using other breeds that aren't restricted IMHO. Whiskey himself is loaded down with Cunia and other extremely powereful Maine genetics and in most cases I would stay away from breeding them too close. Monopoly on paper would seem to be a good choice because of the outcross genetics in relation to Whiskey himself. To me, show steer production is and has always been about crossbreeding. The problem is to try to get more consistant results. It's still pretty much of a numbers game. Just my 2 cents.

Carlson Cattle · Mar 31, 2013

is hard drive really that good?

Jeferin · Mar 31, 2013

Just saw my son posted in here about maternal perfection. I didnt realize he posted. Dont take it wrong he is just falling love with that bull.

GONEWEST · Apr 1, 2013

I think the best two include The Irishman and one that is often over looked which is Griswold's Patton. Hard Whiskey maybe the best one?

Chap · Apr 1, 2013

CAB said:
http://www.sugarcreekcattle.com/ourprogram.html

Above is a link to Chap on SP bull named Afterhours. I know that he is clean pedigree and Brad will have some calves born this spring. Dr. Who x Imprint on the bottom side. Be a bull to ck out IMO.
Lonnie Sievers also has an Irish Whiskey son that he has collected & sold a little juice on, but that's about all I know about him. A couple of bulls that I am watching right now that are 3/4 blood MA are Summit and Shelby both by Hard Drive. Summit I think was out of an Ali x Meyer and Shelby out of a Meyer.
Classic is also a bull that I have been watching for a couple of years. Sired Rebel Soul of late. He's PB & I don't think that I want to inject that much MA. here.

Afterhours has really been working nicely for us, thanks for the post Brent. We have 21 Afterhours on the ground now. All unassisted out of a variety of cows including Clubby bred 2nd calvers. Heifers have been 75-85 and bulls 80-95 consistently. All solid black and really good structured. He has been throwing more hair than we expected and the calves are simply exploding as they age. Due to the craziness of calving season and the lack of green grass and warm temps, i have not had the chance to grav many pics, but here are 2 candids of an Afterhours x I Am Legend that i was able to grab with my cell phone last week.

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