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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2014, 08:32:10 AM »
Thanks Dan for posting a pic of Marksman. I thought he looked great in Denver. He is probably a little big for some people but when packers are paying top dollar for larger carcasses, and he is very easy fleshing, I think he has a definite place in the industry. Marksman had a 15.8 sq. inch REA at 12 months and had a marbling score of 3.78 on a growing ration. In my world that is a pretty good combination. All in all, all the top end bulls in Denver have something to offer the industry. Thanks to Moore's for doing such a good job with Marksman.
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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2014, 08:56:35 AM »
You can see some testes on Marksman.
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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2014, 11:19:03 AM »
Keep sending us the cattle, but enough with the ice and snow!  I'm sick to death of the weatherman talking about Alberta clippers.  I'm comforted by the fact that the gas dealers have seen fit to almost triple the price of heating gas in the past few days.  Was it W.C. Fields that said never give a down man a chance to get up?

By the way, the bull looks great.  I suppose that little shot of Trump was just enough to put him over the top.

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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2014, 04:35:52 PM »
You can see some testes on Marksman.

aj...... Marksman was our biggest measuring bull last spring for testicle size. He measured 42.5 cm at 11.5 months of age. I have been trying to produce some Shorthorn bulls with testicles like Angus bulls, and the Timeline's are doing it. They have much bigger testicles than any other sire we have used and they hang straight and even.

oakview... I think coyote made the best comment in regards to the cold weather you have been experiencing. He said that the US gave Canada COOL, we returned the favor and gave them COLD.  Believe me, we have had our share of the cold stuff as well.
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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2014, 09:50:17 PM »
Here is a class winner from Moore's by HC Timeline, he looks like a powerfull bull as well! Canadian bred, American owned. The reserve Champion was American bred (with American and Canadian owners)by a Canadian bull, Saskvalley Primo 40P (thumbsup) We have more up here than ice and snow(no really we do (lol) )

The two bulls from pictures alone look starkly different type and kind. Maybe its just me. The Timeline son seems like he has alot of sheath and tends to be longer bodied more extended through front with some skin there too. The Element bull seems very masculine and just massive. Pictures are so hard to evaluate. I like video but reality is its always nice to see bulls in person. I didn't think his feet look bad up front just from those photos on Element bull. The bull that won NAILE looked like he toed more out front then ELement bull. JMO
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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2014, 10:14:40 PM »
I'd love to see this bull slicked/wet, anyone got any pics without the hair?
I don't have any pictures, but he doesn't have as much hair as it looks like.  I've seen this bull in the washrack, and he is the exact same bull soaked down as he is haired up.  A huge congratulations to the crew and of course Jordan!

I had a few friends look at him in Edmonton and Regina too but, all the same... I'd still like to see him slick. Anyone?
Also, did anyone happen to get any videos of the champions?

Marksman looks like a good masculine sire, nice job JIT and co.... good to see some balls!!  (lol)
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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2014, 10:24:40 PM »
Another photo of Element.

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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2014, 06:50:52 AM »
Here is a class winner from Moore's by HC Timeline, he looks like a powerfull bull as well! Canadian bred, American owned. The reserve Champion was American bred (with American and Canadian owners)by a Canadian bull, Saskvalley Primo 40P (thumbsup) We have more up here than ice and snow(no really we do (lol) )

The two bulls from pictures alone look starkly different type and kind. Maybe its just me. The Timeline son seems like he has alot of sheath and tends to be longer bodied more extended through front with some skin there too. The Element bull seems very masculine and just massive. Pictures are so hard to evaluate. I like video but reality is its always nice to see bulls in person. I didn't think his feet look bad up front just from those photos on Element bull. The bull that won NAILE looked like he toed more out front then ELement bull. JMO

Shawn, if you go look at some pictures that Cindy put on Shorthorn Country Facebook page (and somebody else posted some on Facebook )when he was in lineup you will see what I was talking about.
 Talking about 2 different types of bulls that is what you had in that class, bull that won it was a 8.4 frame and the other bull was a 6.2 frame.
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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2014, 04:04:47 PM »
I was down in Denver and was very impressed with the quality of bulls presented, I liked both bulls but have always wondered how many cows Element has naturally bred in his lifetime.

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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2014, 04:22:09 PM »
We have more up here than ice and snow(no really we do (lol) )
ya know here lately with these polar vortexes I think you are going to have to do a lot of convincing of us down south of that sir.   (lol)
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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2014, 08:54:09 PM »
We have more up here than ice and snow(no really we do (lol) )
ya know here lately with these polar vortexes I think you are going to have to do a lot of convincing of us down south of that sir.   (lol)


I think coyote had the perfect explanation of why the US is getting such nasty weather. He said that the US gave us COOL, so are now giving them COLD. Makes perfect sense to me!
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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2014, 08:24:22 PM »
I know this post is from awhile ago, but I was talking with some guys and had remembered about seeing this on sp. from the pics the bull looks pretty good, looks big though. I heard his semen is a 100 dollars a pop plus 10 dose min, I thinks that's pretty steap is the bull not good enough to work on average cows!

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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2014, 08:45:49 PM »
I know this post is from awhile ago, but I was talking with some guys and had remembered about seeing this on sp. from the pics the bull looks pretty good, looks big though. I heard his semen is a 100 dollars a pop plus 10 dose min, I thinks that's pretty steap is the bull not good enough to work on average cows!

Probably not.  Not many Shorthorn bulls are.
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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2014, 08:53:09 PM »
I know this post is from awhile ago, but I was talking with some guys and had remembered about seeing this on sp. from the pics the bull looks pretty good, looks big though. I heard his semen is a 100 dollars a pop plus 10 dose min, I thinks that's pretty steap is the bull not good enough to work on average cows!

With present record breaking calf prices, I can't think of any time where $100/ dose semen should make sense. Semen prices has always been something I have never quite figured out. My dad was selling semen in the 60s from one of our herd bulls at $35/ straw and we priced many other bulls in the 70s and early 80s at $35 to $50 per straw. I don't ever remember any complaints about the price. We had several breeders take 50 straws at a time. I purchased Ready Go at a record price at the 1973 American Polled Congress and his semen was priced at $35/ straw. We sold over 700 straws in Canada and the US within 4 months of buying him and also sold large batches of semen to South Africa, Argentina, and Brazil. Compare calf prices in that era compared to calf prices today.
I recently purchased the semen rights in a bull in Australia and am offering semen from him at $45/ straw. I have probably had more complaints on semen today at $45/ straw than I ever had in the 70s to 90s combined. I guess I don't get it!  If $100 semen is too steep for anyone, then there are a wide array of cheaper priced bulls on the market. There really is no reason for any bull to be used in all herds.

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Re: BISS ELEMENT 79 370Z National Champion Shorthorn at Denver
« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2014, 06:37:20 AM »
The market place will decide what a bulls semen is worth........not what the owner thinks its worth. A product priced at 100 bucks.......is not a product......if it doesn't sell.
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