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Title: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 10, 2019, 09:29:45 AM
Was going through some old issues of stock show and whatever it morphed into or from. And found this. Only pic Iíve ever seen of black gold.

Anyone have a better one?
Title: Re: Black gold
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 10, 2019, 01:58:45 PM
Saw that years ago good bull at the time-and Trump is certainly on the Obama stoooopid list LOL O0
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 11, 2019, 08:51:56 AM
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Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 11, 2019, 08:52:39 AM
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Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 11, 2019, 08:53:21 AM
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Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: Telos on January 11, 2019, 05:04:56 PM

Always wanted to know what Black Gold looked like. He's a big boy for being line-bred Cunia.
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: Medium Rare on January 11, 2019, 06:13:22 PM
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How did he work?

We line bred JDS Stout and Witch Doctor back and forth on each other for many years before before turning Shorthorns loose on them.
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 11, 2019, 07:36:03 PM
Hey Medium-what did you use on that red maines calves-I remember Stout as a semi calving ease deal-I think Mccune sold demen him and I havent seen them but heard Witchdoctor x Shorthorns were a pretty good cross-Id like to see more pics of yours-because alot of the Black bulls have had mixed results on Horns. Maybe the best reasonable calving plus showy ones Ive seen are Mercedes Benz by Shorthorn-Wernickes produced one last year that was a stone barnburner-Tore it up all over Iowa and Illinois whooping up on $20000 females and she sold I think in low $2s. O0
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: Medium Rare on January 11, 2019, 09:40:09 PM
Hey Medium-what did you use on that red maines calves-I remember Stout as a semi calving ease deal-I think Mccune sold demen him and I havent seen them but heard Witchdoctor x Shorthorns were a pretty good cross-Id like to see more pics of yours-because alot of the Black bulls have had mixed results on Horns. Maybe the best reasonable calving plus showy ones Ive seen are Mercedes Benz by Shorthorn-Wernickes produced one last year that was a stone barnburner-Tore it up all over Iowa and Illinois whooping up on $20000 females and she sold I think in low $2s. O0

Those cows were all very easy calving, moderate, good uddered, and eye appealing. Probably too small framed for their era and every now and then a Witch Doctor daughter would have a bit of an attitude. If you stacked Stout and Witch Doctor enough times to see regression the female would have no milk. If the females looked ok, they milked fine. I honestly can't even remember why we were stacking those lines, but I wouldn't be afraid to use Witch Doctor as a calving ease sire today. The first white bull we ran on them was 3959960 and the second had a lot of Irish as well but I can't seem to remember the bull's name. Those blue roan daughters lived forever though.

Years ago we bought some red Maines from Hartman in a sale of nearly all blacks. I sure wish I could remember or figure out what their pedigrees were because those cows were damn good and could be bred to anything and throw a mid 70lb calf that would go on to be very functional. Cow line is still going strong in the commercial herd, but they're a long ways from being Maine anymore. I plan to put Yukon back into a couple of them to Maine them back up some.

Other than some of the better I-80 and Daddy's Money stuff, I can't say I've noticed many modern Maine x Shorthorn crosses that jump out at me. Checked out some Maternal Mades a while back that were pretty good, but considering the shorthorn cow the calves were out of I expected better. The blue Benz posted on here quite a while back sure looked nice.
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 11, 2019, 11:27:06 PM
i actually have semen on this bull. last stock show mag i have.



Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 11, 2019, 11:40:51 PM
draft pick. i have semen on this bull for some reason
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 11, 2019, 11:41:40 PM
polled premier
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 12, 2019, 11:38:35 AM
de 310, dam of powerplant.

Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: Maines in PA on January 12, 2019, 11:46:00 AM
Are these bulls really that old? A big chunk of my cows go back to Stout and Overload. K&A Amtrack was another we used. Big cattle and fertility was a problem with the Amtracks- at least here. Those cow families have weeded themselves out. If I remember correctly, these bulls were among the first decent sized wave of black polled Maines. There weren't a bunch of options. Also used a bull called Coal Miner - a Chicago son I think.

Is that a picture of Stout, or his brother Real Stout?
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 12, 2019, 12:33:01 PM
Is that a picture of Stout, or his brother Real Stout?


not sure. i'll go back and look if i can find it.
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 12, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
I have known "Moola" Mark Mueller for over 20 years and he is in Hiawatha where my cattle were. So we"d go through his cattle alot-Saw Hartmans too The thickest Maine bull Ive ever seen and he was absoluetly sound was DMCC Friction-a Fear This by Draftpick  O0
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 12, 2019, 03:05:02 PM


The thickest Maine bull Ive ever seen and he was absoluetly sound was DMCC Friction-a Fear This by Draftpick  O0


can't find him in registry
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 12, 2019, 09:23:21 PM
jazz
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 12, 2019, 09:23:55 PM
jillian
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 12, 2019, 09:24:22 PM
caqui
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 12, 2019, 09:24:41 PM
epinal
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 12, 2019, 09:25:21 PM
grove goliath

dang good looking bull


should have been used a lot more.
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 12, 2019, 09:37:27 PM
mab alberta power 20g. one of my favorite bulls.
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 13, 2019, 01:09:29 PM
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Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 13, 2019, 01:51:32 PM
REALLY BAD CELL PICTURE OF DMCC Friction right off 50-70 cows- Even then when u got behind him he was so wide you coudnt go any further with an animal but he was fluid as bulls hed make 2 of  He was in the DMCC ad in the voice around 2003-4 I think  Heeter In Iowa or one of his buddies used him him too O0
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 13, 2019, 04:56:07 PM
this is probably him.


i can't remember if they cloned him or his sire. or someone else.


https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&search_value=&animal_registration=CA293928&member_id= (https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&search_value=&animal_registration=CA293928&member_id=)
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 13, 2019, 07:59:22 PM
this is probably him.


i can't remember if they cloned him or his sire. or someone else.  ??????? O0


https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&search_value=&animal_registration=CA293928&member_id=
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: knabe on January 13, 2019, 08:34:38 PM
i enlarged the link
Title: Re: Black gold, stout, couple others
Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 14, 2019, 12:45:46 PM
That isnt him-thats the Friction the  Chi Club Calf bull I might have a torn up picture of the DMCC AD with him in it IM pretty sure this is him GUESS HE WAS CALLED FRICTION  -MR BKR 20K   #313672

 https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=313672    O0