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I would recommend that you as breeders of composites come to the fall board meetings,,I think the AICA is missing a real opportunity with these composite cattle,,they have great merritt in the industry,,,but as a association we shun them,,don't offer open shows,and make it difficult for breeders that are utilizing the char genetics for something other than purebred ,

When the Composite division was created, initially only animals with one purebred parent were allowed, limiting its usefulness.  That has been changed a couple years ago and now composite to composite matings are allowed as long as 50% Charolais is maintained. 

Veritas,

Any percentage  bull recorded in the Charolais herdbook has to be minimum 3/4 Charolais.  Check out the rules on this:  http://www.charolaisusa.com/rules.html
When dealing with the AICA or any other major breed association remember it is ran by breeders that want to sell purebreds, particularly bulls, and not percentage cattle.  For the European  breeds the grading up process was done long ago.  If you what to change the rules you must be prepared to show them that:
1.  Having shows for non traditionally marked Charolais will benefit the breed and will not reduce the value of  the color "stamp" a traditional  Charolais bull will put on a calf (not confuse people).
2.  How will this increase the market value for their  white bulls and potential markets denied to them (Canadian and Australian examples).
If you can't do these two things I don't like the odds.  In Canada red factor cattle were produced as a way for some breeders to differentiate their product from other breeders cattle in a well established breed.  In the United States this is not the case as the Charolais has no where near the market acceptance enjoyed in Canada so the white color is an important part of the breeds identity.

If the website is up to date: Rule 2.c. : "c. sire having less than the 3/4 Charolais breeding is not eligible for recordation"

Freddy,

What is the full name and registration number of this recorded half blood bull?

Feddy,

You got me on that one.  Just what does the prefix "EMP" mean?  I am used to having recorded bulls with the prefix "RM" not EMP.  Are these bulls recorded on the herd book or as part of the records system you get with total herd reporting?  Perhaps you have enrolled this calf into total herd enrollment with out a recording number (RM).  It would be nice to find out from the AICA. 
In Canada if you have a  recorded animal out of a QFC or QMC the recorded animal is a Q as well.  I think this is how it would work in the U. S. for colored cattle.

No bull less than 31/32 can be REGISTERED in the Charolais Assoc.  Prior this this cross they are RECORDED.

What is this about the Spots and BAUMANS KRUGGERAND?   I bought a bull from M6 Charolais in Jack Moore's Dispersal.  I have his first calf crop on the ground and I'll be damned if there's not a quarter of the calves w/ spotting on their tail, tailhead, and down the inner legs.  These are black and red crossbred cows w/ absolutely ZERO spotting in their background.  After doing some research, apparently there are some Charolais that carry a spotting gene- Said because some are actually "white" instead of a "creme", that the spotting can go unnoticed in the bull but then be expressed in the offspring.  

Supporting this composite bull junk is terrible for the Char Association.   The only associations you see that support using composite bulls are those that do it as an act of desperation to increase their herd book #s and revenue..  Do you see the Angus Association promoting Balancers or Limflex???  Of course not!  Those are the efforts of the desperate.  

XBAR --The Angus don't haft to cater to the X-bred deall cause they have already got it mixed in,why do you think they are checking for all these genetic  defect, think those just showed up from a time tested breed closed to other breeds, I'M no  DOCTOR OF GENETICS  but can figure this one out ....Look at their CAB program it promotes black cattle and no bonus if their ANGUS ,supposedly are to be atleast 50 % to qualify,and then we all know the guidlines for big business ....PROFIT