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Re: Broker
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2013, 09:16:02 AM »
Does anyone know if broker has scurs I would assume he doesn't but it looks like in his photos he does?


He should be polled based on his pedigree.  Steel Force and Blackfoot are both homozygous polled.  Doesn't mean it's not possible for him to be scurred but he's not reported as such on his papers.

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Re: Broker
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2013, 01:52:53 AM »
http://www.showsteers.com/Hara/index.htm
The $190K heifer is at the bottom of the page for those that wanted to see a pic.
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2013, 08:00:02 AM »
http://www.showsteers.com/Hara/index.htm
The $190K heifer is at the bottom of the page for those that wanted to see a pic.


One for $190,000 and one for $25,000 puts a nice avg on Broker calves!

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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2013, 08:06:43 AM »
http://www.showsteers.com/Hara/index.htm
The $190K heifer is at the bottom of the page for those that wanted to see a pic.


One for $190,000 and one for $25,000 puts a nice avg on Broker calves!


That's the problem with fake and skewed numbers...  If that bull sires 50 calves, and all but one goes to market for $1000, but that one brings 190k-- the selling price average will still be number 1 in the breed, even though the bull will probably rank close to the bottom in terms of the predictability that his offspring will sell at or above the average selling price

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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2013, 08:44:16 AM »
It'll be fun I guess to watch the Hartman's promotions team tout HOC Broker. I think that the bull is for real. I don't really think that all of the money may have been real. To compare the Broker calf sale prices to the next best bull that Mike has been promoting the figures are as follows from his latest sale, 11 head of Broker sired calves averaged $51,000.00/head with the top lot bringing $190,000.00 and the lowest selling Broker bringing $11,000.00. On 10 head of Driver sired cattle, the highest seller was lot# 23 @ $50,000.00 and the cheapest selling Driver sired calf was lot#25 @ $5,000.00. The average price on 10 Drive sired calves was $15,500.00. Maybe the highest priced Broker sired calf was lot A @ $125,000.00 with no semen sale rights. 1/3 semen interest for in herd use only. NO semen sales. Seller retains full possession & foreign semen rights.

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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2013, 08:58:46 AM »
All real numbers or not, I have seen the bull in person and fell in love with him. If more people had HW females he would be really one to consider to make some unique half bloods. But anyways, I have seen a good # of calves and would say he is for real. Ill have a better opinion next spring.

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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2013, 09:00:56 AM »
Is that the sale where the people consign cattle and only get half of the price? The sale manager gets the other half? Just wondering.... Although, half of 190,000 is a lot more than what I would have gotten any other way  (thumbsup)
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2013, 09:07:18 AM »
Is that the sale where the people consign cattle and only get half of the price? The sale manager gets the other half? Just wondering.... Although, half of 190,000 is a lot more than what I would have gotten any other way  (thumbsup)
There are some agreements that are this way, but I am also sure that there are many different agreements between producers and sale management. I thought that lot # 7 & # 35 may have been the 2 bargains. That is just 1 person's opinion. Anyone that is going to Denver, be sure to look up HOC Broker. He is a very impressive bull. Again just 1 person's opinion.

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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2013, 02:39:50 PM »
Broker or Steel force to use on Angus cows?

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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2013, 02:42:20 PM »
If anyone has the chance to see Broker, you need to do so.  The bull himself is the real deal.   Not many will be able to get around him.     As far as his calves go,  all I've seen this fall are pretty good.    I think he's been used on a variety of cows and it looks like he will work on most of them.    If semen weren't so high, I'd be AIing a lot of cows to him.  As it is, we are flushing several to him.    We have several coming this spring and I'd say they are the most anticipated ones.  

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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2013, 05:38:39 PM »
They have him listed with a 6.7 frame score. Does he seem to be excessive in size at all?

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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2013, 05:41:24 PM »
It'll be fun I guess to watch the Hartman's promotions team tout HOC Broker. I think that the bull is for real. I don't really think that all of the money may have been real. To compare the Broker calf sale prices to the next best bull that Mike has been promoting the figures are as follows from his latest sale, 11 head of Broker sired calves averaged $51,000.00/head with the top lot bringing $190,000.00 and the lowest selling Broker bringing $11,000.00. On 10 head of Driver sired cattle, the highest seller was lot# 23 @ $50,000.00 and the cheapest selling Driver sired calf was lot#25 @ $5,000.00. The average price on 10 Drive sired calves was $15,500.00. Maybe the highest priced Broker sired calf was lot A @ $125,000.00 with no semen sale rights. 1/3 semen interest for in herd use only. NO semen sales. Seller retains full possession & foreign semen rights.

I have a hard time believing that you would doubt any sales figures were not perfectly accurate when it comes to Hartman.  ;D

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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2013, 11:41:53 PM »
They have him listed with a 6.7 frame score. Does he seem to be excessive in size at all?

Looked great to me at NAILE. Not sure if he is a 6.7 but I'd bet it's close.

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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2013, 10:51:32 AM »
I have heard that he had measured 6.7 FS as a yearling. My thought is that he may have just been through a growth spurt then B/C to me he looks moderate for a SM. More than 75% of the SM bulls that I have seen the last few years are larger framed. I will say though that the heifers that I have seen sired by him are a little larger framed than I would have thought they would have been. Not a problem for me. I like cattle a tick larger than most PPL.

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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2013, 06:44:22 PM »
 Anyone have a chance to look him over in Denver?

 

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