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Steer Planet Chat => The Big Show => Topic started by: Angusboy on December 28, 2012, 02:44:48 PM

Title: Broker
Post by: Angusboy on December 28, 2012, 02:44:48 PM
I've heard of the bull Broker and see that he is winning almost all of the bull shows. Also that he sired a $190,000 heifer at Hartmans, has anyone used him? If you have how are the calves looking?
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: CAB on December 28, 2012, 03:04:04 PM
I've seen him in person. He is a very complete bull IMO. It'll be fun to see if he can pull off the triple crown by winning the NWSS. I have seen quite a few heifer calves out of him and they all are above average IMO. If he wins Denver I suspect semen could go allot higher than it is right now. He is selling for $125/unit with a minimum of 10 units required.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: turnermountain on January 04, 2013, 07:11:22 PM
I agree.  Those who have semen on him are using it wisely and also watching with anticipation what he does in Denver.  Fingers crossed I'm going to breed a group of Simmental and SimAngus first calf heifers to him in about a month.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: Quick fire on January 04, 2013, 07:41:04 PM
I saw him in L'ville and loved him. Flushing a cow to him.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: Sizzler14 on January 04, 2013, 07:55:52 PM
The question is, How much did they really pay for the 190,000 heifer? Last Year there was a bull that was already purchased for 25k. A real good friend of mine was one of the ones who bought interest. They ran him through an auction and he sold for 40k. he really only sold for 25k. its a you scratch ,my back, I scratch yours. I also know of a 20k+ heifer that only sold for 5k or 6k+ but made good publicity for the bull.  I would venture to guess the heifer truly didnt sell for 190,000. JMO
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: turnermountain on January 04, 2013, 08:02:45 PM
The question is, How much did they really pay for the 190,000 heifer? Last Year there was a bull that was already purchased for 25k. A real good friend of mine was one of the ones who bought interest. They ran him through an auction and he sold for 40k. he really only sold for 25k. its a you scratch ,my back, I scratch yours. I also know of a 20k+ heifer that only sold for 5k or 6k+ but made good publicity for the bull.  I would venture to guess the heifer truly didnt sell for 190,000. JMO

As a Simmental breeder I'd love to hope it was real money but I don't know I've ever seen one that went even into the teens where there wasn't some agreement established prior to that animal entering the sale ring.  Not saying it's a great thing but it sure happens.

I'm surprised there hasn't been pictures and threads on that heifer selling.

Title: Re: Broker
Post by: Quick fire on January 04, 2013, 08:11:05 PM
There have been. She won her first show.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: steerkid on January 08, 2013, 09:58:41 AM


As a Simmental breeder I'd love to hope it was real money but I don't know I've ever seen one that went even into the teens where there wasn't some agreement established prior to that animal entering the sale ring.  Not saying it's a great thing but it sure happens.

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Are you kidding me? You have never seen real money on one that's sold for over 10k? What sales have you been going to?
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: HF CHARS on January 08, 2013, 11:53:31 AM
a good friend of mine was at the sale,,,he said he thought it was real money ,,he watched two guys get in a pissing match over her,,said it was the first time he saw one sell that high he thought was legit..........                                                              as far as broker calves we had a couple and love them
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: turnermountain on January 08, 2013, 04:40:56 PM
a good friend of mine was at the sale,,,he said he thought it was real money ,,he watched two guys get in a pissing match over her,,said it was the first time he saw one sell that high he thought was legit..........                                                              as far as broker calves we had a couple and love them

Hope it was.  That would be awesome in a lot of ways.  I have seen lots of cattle sell for big money.  I have seen lots sell for "real" big money, but I have seen a lot sell for big Monopoly money too.

In my opinion when they get that high you have to at least scratch your head on it.  Regardless, the bull is awesome.  I have a group of cows we are using him on soon.  We will see what happens.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: Quick fire on January 08, 2013, 05:31:09 PM
I know the two bidders who were on her and who sold her. Although I am always extremely hesitant to say "it was real" I feel like if was. But there are TONS of cattle that sell for 10k+++ that is legit....
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: turnermountain on January 08, 2013, 11:13:39 PM
I know the two bidders who were on her and who sold her. Although I am always extremely hesitant to say "it was real" I feel like if was. But there are TONS of cattle that sell for 10k+++ that is legit....

I wasn't saying they aren't real money, however in my experience on big money cattle their is some discussion prior to the sale and some agreement in place as to what happens after the sale.  It's not just about someone writing a check.  Again I'm thrilled for the Hartman crew and everyone involved on this great female and on the bull as well.  I think bigger things are coming for him.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: Quick fire on January 09, 2013, 06:23:38 AM
I know the two bidders who were on her and who sold her. Although I am always extremely hesitant to say "it was real" I feel like if was. But there are TONS of cattle that sell for 10k+++ that is legit....

I wasn't saying they aren't real money, however in my experience on big money cattle their is some discussion prior to the sale and some agreement in place as to what happens after the sale.  It's not just about someone writing a check.  Again I'm thrilled for the Hartman crew and everyone involved on this great female and on the bull as well.  I think bigger things are coming for him.
Oh I know I wasn't trying to say you were being pessimistic or anything at all. I was just adding what info I knew.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: turnermountain on January 09, 2013, 08:25:18 AM
No problem at all, I appreciate the info!
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: wiredangus on January 10, 2013, 08:05:18 AM
Does anyone know if broker has scurs I would assume he doesn't but it looks like in his photos he does?
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: turnermountain on January 10, 2013, 08:16:02 AM
Does anyone know if broker has scurs I would assume he doesn't but it looks like in his photos he does?


He should be polled based on his pedigree.  Steel Force and Blackfoot are both homozygous polled.  Doesn't mean it's not possible for him to be scurred but he's not reported as such on his papers.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: mccannfarms on January 11, 2013, 12:52:53 AM
http://www.showsteers.com/Hara/index.htm (http://www.showsteers.com/Hara/index.htm)
The $190K heifer is at the bottom of the page for those that wanted to see a pic.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: turnermountain on January 11, 2013, 07:00:02 AM
[url]http://www.showsteers.com/Hara/index.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.showsteers.com/Hara/index.htm[/url])
The $190K heifer is at the bottom of the page for those that wanted to see a pic.


One for $190,000 and one for $25,000 puts a nice avg on Broker calves!
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: blackdiamond on January 11, 2013, 07:06:43 AM
[url]http://www.showsteers.com/Hara/index.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.showsteers.com/Hara/index.htm[/url])
The $190K heifer is at the bottom of the page for those that wanted to see a pic.


One for $190,000 and one for $25,000 puts a nice avg on Broker calves!


That's the problem with fake and skewed numbers...  If that bull sires 50 calves, and all but one goes to market for $1000, but that one brings 190k-- the selling price average will still be number 1 in the breed, even though the bull will probably rank close to the bottom in terms of the predictability that his offspring will sell at or above the average selling price
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: CAB on January 11, 2013, 07:44:16 AM
It'll be fun I guess to watch the Hartman's promotions team tout HOC Broker. I think that the bull is for real. I don't really think that all of the money may have been real. To compare the Broker calf sale prices to the next best bull that Mike has been promoting the figures are as follows from his latest sale, 11 head of Broker sired calves averaged $51,000.00/head with the top lot bringing $190,000.00 and the lowest selling Broker bringing $11,000.00. On 10 head of Driver sired cattle, the highest seller was lot# 23 @ $50,000.00 and the cheapest selling Driver sired calf was lot#25 @ $5,000.00. The average price on 10 Drive sired calves was $15,500.00. Maybe the highest priced Broker sired calf was lot A @ $125,000.00 with no semen sale rights. 1/3 semen interest for in herd use only. NO semen sales. Seller retains full possession & foreign semen rights.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: Quick fire on January 11, 2013, 07:58:46 AM
All real numbers or not, I have seen the bull in person and fell in love with him. If more people had HW females he would be really one to consider to make some unique half bloods. But anyways, I have seen a good # of calves and would say he is for real. Ill have a better opinion next spring.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: firesweepranch on January 11, 2013, 08:00:56 AM
Is that the sale where the people consign cattle and only get half of the price? The sale manager gets the other half? Just wondering.... Although, half of 190,000 is a lot more than what I would have gotten any other way  (thumbsup)
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: CAB on January 11, 2013, 08:07:18 AM
Is that the sale where the people consign cattle and only get half of the price? The sale manager gets the other half? Just wondering.... Although, half of 190,000 is a lot more than what I would have gotten any other way  (thumbsup)
There are some agreements that are this way, but I am also sure that there are many different agreements between producers and sale management. I thought that lot # 7 & # 35 may have been the 2 bargains. That is just 1 person's opinion. Anyone that is going to Denver, be sure to look up HOC Broker. He is a very impressive bull. Again just 1 person's opinion.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: wiredangus on January 11, 2013, 01:39:50 PM
Broker or Steel force to use on Angus cows?
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: kanshow on January 11, 2013, 01:42:20 PM
If anyone has the chance to see Broker, you need to do so.  The bull himself is the real deal.   Not many will be able to get around him.     As far as his calves go,  all I've seen this fall are pretty good.    I think he's been used on a variety of cows and it looks like he will work on most of them.    If semen weren't so high, I'd be AIing a lot of cows to him.  As it is, we are flushing several to him.    We have several coming this spring and I'd say they are the most anticipated ones.  
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: wiredangus on January 11, 2013, 04:38:39 PM
They have him listed with a 6.7 frame score. Does he seem to be excessive in size at all?
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: GONEWEST on January 11, 2013, 04:41:24 PM
It'll be fun I guess to watch the Hartman's promotions team tout HOC Broker. I think that the bull is for real. I don't really think that all of the money may have been real. To compare the Broker calf sale prices to the next best bull that Mike has been promoting the figures are as follows from his latest sale, 11 head of Broker sired calves averaged $51,000.00/head with the top lot bringing $190,000.00 and the lowest selling Broker bringing $11,000.00. On 10 head of Driver sired cattle, the highest seller was lot# 23 @ $50,000.00 and the cheapest selling Driver sired calf was lot#25 @ $5,000.00. The average price on 10 Drive sired calves was $15,500.00. Maybe the highest priced Broker sired calf was lot A @ $125,000.00 with no semen sale rights. 1/3 semen interest for in herd use only. NO semen sales. Seller retains full possession & foreign semen rights.

I have a hard time believing that you would doubt any sales figures were not perfectly accurate when it comes to Hartman.  ;D
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: Quick fire on January 11, 2013, 10:41:53 PM
They have him listed with a 6.7 frame score. Does he seem to be excessive in size at all?

Looked great to me at NAILE. Not sure if he is a 6.7 but I'd bet it's close.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: CAB on January 12, 2013, 09:51:32 AM
I have heard that he had measured 6.7 FS as a yearling. My thought is that he may have just been through a growth spurt then B/C to me he looks moderate for a SM. More than 75% of the SM bulls that I have seen the last few years are larger framed. I will say though that the heifers that I have seen sired by him are a little larger framed than I would have thought they would have been. Not a problem for me. I like cattle a tick larger than most PPL.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: wiredangus on January 24, 2013, 05:44:22 PM
 Anyone have a chance to look him over in Denver?
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: LN on January 24, 2013, 06:02:32 PM
I saw him in Denver. Looked awesome. The cattle up on the hill by him looked pretty good too.

Saw some yearling bulls in the yards by him and some were down right dogs.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: Gargan on January 24, 2013, 06:07:11 PM
Did he win again?
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: wiredangus on January 24, 2013, 06:10:01 PM

Saw some yearling bulls in the yards by him and some were down right dogs.

As in?
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: coachmac on January 24, 2013, 07:16:50 PM
Gargan - yes he was grand and combustible reserve
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: Gargan on January 24, 2013, 07:21:14 PM
Gargan - yes he was grand and combustible reserve
Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: LN on January 24, 2013, 08:23:40 PM

Saw some yearling bulls in the yards by him and some were down right dogs.

As in?

They were pretty bad. Overall I thought the Upgrades looked best in the yards.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: vcsf on January 24, 2013, 11:12:03 PM
I saw him in Denver. Looked awesome. The cattle up on the hill by him looked pretty good too.

Saw some yearling bulls in the yards by him and some were down right dogs.

I only saw Broker as a calf in November of 2010 when they showed him at Agribition in Canada.  My impression at the time was that he was a bull that would sire some fancy show heifers but I really questioned his ability to sire a lot of bulls that would be highly marketable especially to commercial cattlemen or to purebred breeders looking to raise bulls.

I have only seen a few calves but they seem to be in line with my initial thoughts.  I have really liked most of the heifers I have seen especially as show heifers though I don't think I would want to turn them out in really tough conditions.  I have only seen a couple of bull calves in person but have not been overly impressed though I am sure that there are some good ones out there.

If my primary goal was to raise show heifers he is a Simmental bull I would definitely use.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: SimMagic on January 27, 2013, 09:32:49 PM
Those looking to add some Broker genetics to their herd utilizing A.I. at a reasonable price, check this bull out.  He is a full brother in blood to Broker. Super fronted, awesome boned, good haired, and monster footed.  Solid black with a white sheath.  I would say he would put blazes on blaze face cows.  $30 a straw, PM if interested.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: dn91 on January 27, 2013, 09:59:05 PM
Do you have a video of his full brother? Picture looks good
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: CAB on January 28, 2013, 07:18:35 AM
From the picture & not seeing this full sib personally he looks like he is put together way differently through his front shoulder junction than Broker & quite abit smaller foot size with less set in his pasterns. It would be fun to see a video. This sib is cleaner fronted than Broker in the picture anyway. JMO.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: Quick fire on January 28, 2013, 07:41:02 AM
Broker is by no means small footed
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: clgcattle45x on January 28, 2013, 07:47:46 AM

  Was udell's 190,000 out in Denver. What is everyone's opinion of her.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: CAB on January 28, 2013, 07:58:14 AM
Yes she was out there and was the GC percentage SM. She is very, very good.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: zak on January 28, 2013, 09:03:38 AM
broker is a absolute beast. No doubt the new steel force of the Simmental breed.
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: SimMagic on February 17, 2013, 11:23:23 PM
Broker is by no means small footed

I meant to reply to this earlier. I am working on getting a video. We got semen collected and he was an excellent producer. As far as comparing him to Broker, he is super big footed and massive boned much like Broker. He moves really well and is better fronted in my opinion. He is not as soft as Broker is right now, but he is 15 months younger in age and not as heavy conditioned. His first calves arrive next week!
Title: Re: Broker
Post by: Gargan on June 15, 2013, 07:05:46 AM
Broker is by no means small footed

I meant to reply to this earlier. I am working on getting a video. We got semen collected and he was an excellent producer. As far as comparing him to Broker, he is super big footed and massive boned much like Broker. He moves really well and is better fronted in my opinion. He is not as soft as Broker is right now, but he is 15 months younger in age and not as heavy conditioned. His first calves arrive next week!
So, how are his calves looking?