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« on: December 28, 2011, 01:01:18 AM »
I always wonder about the bison bison breeding programs. They went almost extinct. Then a few herds were established to save them. Did they try to avoid inbreeding? They had very little choice in matings. Are bison different that cattle as far as genetic defects? Are buffalo ever pedigreed? There was a very small genetic base that they were bred back up from. What about polled buffalo? Colors?
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Re: Buffalo
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2011, 01:06:06 AM »
I always wonder about the bison bison breeding programs. They went almost extinct. Then a few herds were established to save them. Did they try to avoid inbreeding? They had very little choice in matings. Are bison different that cattle as far as genetic defects? Are buffalo ever pedigreed? There was a very small genetic base that they were bred back up from. What about polled buffalo? Colors?

according to the indians white (albino) bufflers are sacred...  I remember when I was a kid the St. Louis Zoo had a big promotion on summer, exploiting the birth of a white buffler.

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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2011, 01:30:21 AM »
They do register a few in Canada. We have a couple of National Parks with Bison, both Plains and Wood.

http://www.canadianbison.ca/consumer/default.aspx

http://www.clrc.ca/bison.shtml

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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2011, 01:35:07 AM »
I ran across the song "White Buffalo" by western underground-unbridled albumn......kinda cool
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2011, 01:47:00 AM »
bison were imported to golden gate park in the late 1880s to help preserve them.

on wikipedia, it says the hides were used as belts for machines.

at bright brothers herefords, they have a complete shop still works with this type of belt system. dont know if the belts were from bison.

i think they started in the nursery business.

i think they still hold the record for high selling hereford bull at denver.

the story goes that they had a heifer that got bred by that years champion or something like that. i think they had natl champ two years in a row.
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what did the momma buffalo say to her son when she dropped him off at school?

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i remember the cow in the article.
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Re: Buffalo
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2011, 02:51:35 AM »
I do know the bison were mistakenly called buffalo when the Spainards saw them in the 1500's. The term stuck. I know the pleistocene version of the bison was the bison antiquus. They are extinct and only skeleton are found. They had huge horn spans. The bison occidentalis was a smaller version that also went extinct. The bison bison were a smaller bison that survived. Did the antiquus and the occidentalis interbreed? Or were they a seperate species? I found a shoulder blade of an occidentalis eroding out of a cutbank. The Denver museum confirmed by measurements only...no radio carbon dating. I wonder if the plains and woodland can interbreed? The bison probably survived better in Canada? They were pretty much systematically wiped out in the U.S.. cool.......signed Cliff Claven aj......there is a possible mini bison jump site a couple miles from my house. The Laird(Busse site). A Dalton like point was recovered and I believe the bison bone carbon dated around 8,000 bp. K.U. Did the work in 1995 I think.
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2011, 03:01:53 AM »
A guy down the road about8 miles is part of the "the buffaloguys.com.     I always thought they were kinda nuts. But they have hundreds of buffalo on the Beaver creek. At least 200. The deal seems to be working. I guess the meanest critter is always a female. They are kinda the leader of the pack. I know Ken told me that their matron came unglued the one day they were working stuff and they actually maced her to protect themselves. otherwise they are not terribley agressive.
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Re: Buffalo
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2011, 03:20:49 AM »
Someone near us had a herd of Beefalo that were crossed with cattle or something like that. Their meat is supposed to be pretty flavorful and lean. They sold them because they were pretty tempermental. They were cool to drive by though!

My parents bought some furniture from a family that had a herd of 'em. They said that one night some of their neighbors that didn't like them having buffalo cut the fence and let them out, and their owner had to go through town and shoot them all because they were too wild to get back in. He still has his big bull's head mounted. He said that they would drop off waste concrete in the field for them to scratch on. Tragic it had to end like that :(
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Re: Buffalo
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2011, 04:06:07 AM »
Buffalo are generally nuts. There are a couple farms near me that raise both buffalo and beefalo. I remember hearing something on the news a couple years ago where a bunch got loose and ended up on the interstate I think in northern IL.  there is a dirty jobs episode where he works on a buffalo farm...not really dirty just dangerous running them thru a chute.... you know they have done quite a bit of cow related stuff on there but I think its time he.goes around with a vet in the spring replacing prolapses...especially uterine..haha
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2011, 05:16:48 AM »
Buffalo are much like any wild animal, they were never truly domesticated, so they have a wild streak, and some are completely nuts. However there are some that are complete dolls.  I know several people that have raised them and been involved with them on a small scale.  There are registries, they have big shows and sales just like cattle.  They do have some genetic deffects but being a wild animal predominantly we probably saw them just as expressed naturally as in captivity.  They did have a very limited genetic pool to start with, but the bison herds at many national parks are very well managed and are actually worked annually just like cattle would be, it takes one heck of a pen system.  I do know that many of them exchange bulls or buy them from private breeders in order to keep from inbreeding so rampantly, if I am not mistaken there are 1 or 2 herds at national parks that are closed in order to preserve the phenotype of the animal that was found native in those areas (I believe the herd at Yellowstone is one of those).  I read several articles for an animal science class on it but cant remember all the details.

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Re: Buffalo
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 11:43:59 AM »
neighbor has them.. tells me rodeo people prefer buffalo calves over beef calves, as they never give up and last longer on days when people are practicing for their rodeo stuff... whatever, like roping and calf tieing I guess.

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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2011, 02:35:26 PM »
I have read historical accounts where the males and the females(and the calves) tended to run in different herds except during mating season. This to me makes sense. ;D
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2011, 02:41:13 PM »
The pronghorn always fascinated me. Mistakenly called antelope? Apparently they are unique to our area. Here they tend to stay south of interstate 70. They claim they won't jump. So they won't jump a 4 wire fence but they will scoot through one. There are archeology sites of antelope pens or traps......apparently cause they won't jump. They have been around for thousands of years. They are not big.....fairly slight in build......apparently survivors.
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Re: Buffalo
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2011, 03:39:35 PM »
Here go AJ, we were headed for my uncles favorite fishing hole and came across this herd on the road, western NV

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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2011, 03:43:43 PM »
excellent!
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