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Offline Mark H

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2011, 11:57:36 AM »
Charguy,

I am familiar with Crystal D Pierce and he is basically a red factor bull with hank breeding.  I like the bull as he has muscle and performance.  Here  link to his ad: http://www.charolaisbanner.com/dbarl/semen10/pierce.htm.  If Sandan selected Irish Cream he will also have muscle and performance.  Note that in Canada  they like muscle and performance not pencil gutted narrow cattle. Frame was never selected for in the 1980's like it was in the U.S.
 The bulls being discussed hereare considered hard calving.  But they are definitely not heifer bulls. Martens in particular like to use easier calving bulls.  Some red factor cattle can have heavier birth weights.
The best phenotype on a red factor bull is HEJ Ripper: http://www.buyagro.com/hej/66p.htm

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2011, 03:30:18 PM »
Thanks for the info Mark. I couldnt get the one link to work - but no big deal. The Ripper bull looks good. I assume Martin raised the Irish Cream bull? Dont know them.

From what it sounds like the birthweight might effect the ability to market semen from this calf. At least I know what I am up against later on if he keeps progressing like he is now. Maybe best to use him on some commercial cows first and see what the birthweights are and how he crosses. Just dont know if I can afford him myself to do that! Hopefully if a purebred guy buys him they draw a little semen and I could use him a bit myself.

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2011, 05:30:08 PM »
Charguy,

Your bull has roughly the same BWT EPD profile as TR Firewater so if you can calve to Firewater you can likely calve out to your bull. The Americans forget that our birth weights are15 LB heavier on the same genetics as their cattle.   
Only time will tell as you don't have calves out of him yet. Remember some of Sparrows herd sires were bought back by Cam after seeing the commercial calves.
By the way another couple of breeders with Hank genetics:  http://www.charolaisbanner.com/familytradition/hbsire.htm

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2011, 08:56:40 PM »
Nice bull sure would like to add him to my herd he really has a nice structure and is very powerful but i wish he was black  :'(

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2011, 11:16:18 AM »
Same calf - a new October picture. Still looking good I think. Weighs around 1030 lbs now and is 46' at the shoulder and 49' at the hip frame 6.5
Thought some of you might like to see it.

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2011, 12:53:35 PM »
I think he is looking good...I like him a lot!

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2011, 03:29:55 PM »
He's impressive! I think he could be an awesome slick steer sire.

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2011, 05:49:06 PM »
A frame 6.5 for a Charolais calf in Canada??? He must be a midget. Looks ok in the picture  but thats not big enough for me. We need Charolais to be growthy and pack on pounds not be glorified angus.

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2011, 08:41:37 PM »
Thats a good bull would work well in any aspect of the industry

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2011, 09:28:21 AM »
SJC

I think its a little harsh to call a frame 6.5 bull a midget but its your opinion. He certainly is not the biggest bull in the pen (far from it actually) but I'd say he is middle of the road to smaller in frame yet right at the top for natural muscling and overall thicknesss. Sure he is being fed well but at 10 months he is over 1000 lbs - that's still got some perforemance. Trust me there is no red angus who look like him. 

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2011, 10:40:20 AM »
He sounds like a very good animal to me and most people that don't want to pull calves and had any experience with those great big bulls would agree ...It's just
like judging, it's one man's opinion of what he can make work and make money cause we all need that ....

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2011, 12:13:54 PM »
Charguy - I like him  8) and I'm no Charloais fan, mainly because of the qualities that SJC posted that your bull did not have.
My post are just my opinion.

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2011, 09:33:57 PM »
Charguy,

What is the cow like that he is out of?  Any notable about her?  Any pictures?  Her production record?
Also do you own at least a piece of this calf?  Has he been creep fed?




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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2011, 10:18:06 PM »
Hi Mark.

Yes he has been on creep - he has been with my friends show calves since July. He is getting fed well no doubt about it.

The cow was purchased in a dispersal sale last year. Her first bull calf was shown and then was used as a clean up bull and sold as a 2 yr old to a commercial breeder. Her 2nd calf was a heifer calf who sold with her in the dispersal sale. Ill add a picture of the cow for you to see - she isnt big framed very moderate and thick with a nice udder.

I have an option to market semen on the calf in Canada - we will see what happens. I have to make sure there is a market for him in Canada before I go to the expense to collect him. The breeder has interest in the calf from the US and Canada. The breeder has told me if he does sell him he would like to draw him for his own use - he doesnt think there is a big market for semen in Canada anymore. So whether or not I choose to sell some - ill get some semen to breed some cows too myself. Thats what I am excited about.

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Re: Bull Calf
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2011, 10:21:03 PM »
I think that is a very useful bull,, but probably won't be accepted by clubby breeders.    

At 96 pound BW they wouldn't use him since they wouldn't be able to pull as many calves as out of Heatwave and similar bulls.  ;)


 

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